Topic: Mega Man Legends 3

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ALWAYS BET ON ROCK
(Oh come on. You know it's a fair comparison)

Almost what, 10 years after Mega Man Legends 2 ended on a cliffhanger ending,
Megaman Legends 2 Ending 2

We are finally getting-

Mega Man Legends 3 Project Recruitment Trailer [HD]
Mega Man Legends 3!

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The Mega Man Legends 3 Project Introduction by Keiji Inafune

Mega Man Legends 3 Panel @ NYCC

for YEARS fans have pressured Keiji Inafune for a new Legends, Capcom not letting him make one as the series did not reach expectations. He always said if he could get the money, he would do it himself.

And after years of teasing us with cameo after cameo in other games, Inafune finally garnered the green light from his uppers to start the Mega Man Legends 3 project! Finally Rock is going to be rescued from way up in Elysium.

What makes this so special though, is that this time around, the game will feature heavy fan input from both Japan and the western world through Capcom unity and it's Japanese equivalent.

Discuss?

[Hanniballistic]

I can't wait!  I hope they can put the first two up for download so I can replay them before I give this one a go.  The idea of fan input into the development of a game is awesome and I wish they would do this with more beloved franchises.

[X]

I never got into the MML series since it was a Gaiden rather then a part of the original series. That and the fact that it was in full 3D rather then a classic side-scroller.

-X

[Munchy]

You know, for how much of a Mega Man freak I was back in the day I sure didn't play these a lot. I should play through the first one again and finish the second one sometime.

All I remember is that Tiesel Bonne had the best voice actor possibly in the universe.

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I never got into the MML series since it was a Gaiden rather then a part of the original series. That and the fact that it was in full 3D rather then a classic side-scroller.

-X

It is a part of the original series.

Classic -> X -> Zero ->->->-> ZX ->->->->->->->-/ /->->->-->->->-> Legends

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Yeah the ones not part of the original series, but rather 'another dimension', are the Battle Network titles.
The Gaiden titles from the original are the one PC MegaMan game, and the Gameboy titles with the Planet enemies.

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And the two X series GBC titles which take place, respectively, between X2 and 3,  and X3 and 4

[X]

I know that the series goes something like this: MM_MMX_MMZ_MMZX. But where exactly does Legends fit into the established timeline? It came out even before MMZ. Or before MMX5 for that matter.

-X

[crisis]

Well according to the creators/guidebooks, Legends takes place roughly 3000 years after the events of all the other series. Why the creators decided to stretch it out like that? Who knows.


There are several hints in the games that allude to the Legends series:

- In X5 ending, MegaMan X converses with the Maverick Hunters how he would like to create a paradise where both Reploids & Humans coexist; he calls this place "Elysium" (the place where MegaMan Trigger is stranded at the conclusion to Legends 2). However, this ending isn't canon (it could also be argued that he was alluding to Neo Arcadia, the gov't in MMZ which was originally intended to be a paradise but became corrupt)

- Various areas in the MMZ games show architexture that resembles Legends-era ruins (Reaverbot symbols, etc.)

- The fact that humans can choose to have machine bodies in ZX & vice-versa, which allows for them to live on for hundreds of years ("The Master" in Legends 2 was the last human, but with technology was able to survive for a couple thousand years)


I'm sad that the ZX series was cut short; despite being kinda campy, it was basically created to fill in the gap leading up to Legends (given that with each series they were jumping several hundred years after the last). It definately isn't as mature as the Zero series, but a ZX3 could've fixed all that. Oh well... maybe some day.

[X]

Well that clears things up for sure. But I had always concidiered MMX to be the most mature of the series while MM was the total end of the spectrum. For me, MMZ was way too apochalyptic for my taste eventhough the series ends where human civilization and nature have almost recovered. MMZX was interesting but I have yet to finish MMZX 2. I am dissapointed to hear about humanity being wiped out in Legends though kinda sad really. I guess Sigma's goal of genecide wasn't mere pipedream after all.

-X

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Well according to the creators/guidebooks, Legends takes place roughly 3000 years after the events of all the other series. Why the creators decided to stretch it out like that? Who knows.


There are several hints in the games that allude to the Legends series:

- In X5 ending, MegaMan X converses with the Maverick Hunters how he would like to create a paradise where both Reploids & Humans coexist; he calls this place "Elysium" (the place where MegaMan Trigger is stranded at the conclusion to Legends 2). However, this ending isn't canon (it could also be argued that he was alluding to Neo Arcadia, the gov't in MMZ which was originally intended to be a paradise but became corrupt)

- Various areas in the MMZ games show architexture that resembles Legends-era ruins (Reaverbot symbols, etc.)

- The fact that humans can choose to have machine bodies in ZX & vice-versa, which allows for them to live on for hundreds of years ("The Master" in Legends 2 was the last human, but with technology was able to survive for a couple thousand years)


I'm sad that the ZX series was cut short; despite being kinda campy, it was basically created to fill in the gap leading up to Legends (given that with each series they were jumping several hundred years after the last). It definately isn't as mature as the Zero series, but a ZX3 could've fixed all that. Oh well... maybe some day.

Really. stop misusing the word "canon". it is canon, its IN the game. what you mean is "it didnt really happen".

Also, nowhere does it say it was 3000 years! we dont know HOW much time has passed. but certainly enough for the world to be flooded, the elder system to be made and abandoned, Elysium created and abandoned, Carbons to replace humans... and a few reinitializations.

in other words, a lot of shit goes down.

[crisis]

Really. stop misusing the word "canon". it is canon, its IN the game. what you mean is "it didnt really happen".

I dunno if this was meant to be a kneejerk reaction or a smartass comment, but "canon" can be used 1 of 2 diff. ways, "as a descriptor of specific incidents, relationships, or story arcs that take place within the overall canon." So the context I used it in is still technically correct.. the X5 ending in which Zero died "for real," X loses his memory of him & describes Elysium to his comrades isn't considered the "canon" ending. It's not that big a deal, man..


I got the 3000 figure from the fact that The Master survived for about 3000 years, the exact figure could be 3500-4000 years for all we know.

[Kale]

I know that the series goes something like this: MM_MMX_MMZ_MMZX. But where exactly does Legends fit into the established timeline? It came out even before MMZ. Or before MMX5 for that matter.

-X

I remember something about it happening around 50XX.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

...the context I used it in is still technically correct...

- the best kind of correct!

[Flame]

I dunno if this was meant to be a kneejerk reaction or a smartass comment, but "canon" can be used 1 of 2 diff. ways, "as a descriptor of specific incidents, relationships, or story arcs that take place within the overall canon." So the context I used it in is still technically correct.. the X5 ending in which Zero died "for real," X loses his memory of him & describes Elysium to his comrades isn't considered the "canon" ending. It's not that big a deal, man..

It sort of IS a big deal. you have no idea how much the Mega Man fandom misuses the damn word. Throwing it around like its nothing. Not canon are for example, the mangas. they are not canon to the games. or the bandai card series, which is 'semi canon'.

just for the record...

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a : a regulation or dogma decreed by a church council b : a provision of canon law
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[Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin, from Latin, model] : the most solemn and unvarying part of the Mass including the consecration of the bread and wine
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[Middle English, from Late Latin, from Latin, standard] a : an authoritative list of books accepted as Holy Scripture b : the authentic works of a writer c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works <the canon of great literature>
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a : an accepted principle or rule b : a criterion or standard of judgment c : a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms
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[Late Greek kanōn, from Greek, model] : a contrapuntal musical composition in which each successively entering voice presents the initial theme usually transformed in a strictly consistent way

all those endings OCCUR in Mega Man X5, and therefore, they are part of the canon. They are all simply branches into different paths. Paths simply never explored. in one ending, X's memory of Zero is wiped and he mentions wanting to create Elysium. (now mind you BTW, Elysium was the English name for the place, which in Japan was named 'Heaven' so whether he was reffering to the Legends place or to Neo Arcadia is anyone's guess )

And suddenly we have the introduction of Rockman Online, which apparently takes place parallel to the Zero series. Which makes it it's own branch. one branch goes tot he Zero series, whereas another leads to Rockman Online. (that is, if it is to be considered part of the Mega Man canon at all, )

I got the 3000 figure from the fact that The Master survived for about 3000 years, the exact figure could be 3500-4000 years for all we know.

thats how long he has survived for that long, but we dont quite know what happened before that. remember that something had to happen to flood the world and create the elder system that is somehow supressed by the Master system. But master never makes any mention of it in the flashbacks. (maybe Legends 3 will?) Its very possibl that much happened even before the Master. I mean we've got People like Master Albert and Master Thomas who want to reset the world, and in legends, seems very much like that happened. There has been an INCREDIBLE technological regression on Terra. Although at the same time, Carbons are basically advanced partly organic robots.