Topic: THIS is how castlevania judgement should have been..!

[C Belmont]

Also, Alucard took it easy on both Sonia and Trevor

That's not the impression I got

Alucard (CVIII) "I'm surprised you beat me.I've been waiting for you. I need you to help me destroy Dracula"

[VampirehunterB]

I also believe the Belmonts were stronger than Alucard in that period, but not in the present(the sotn era).

[Flame]

Vampires and Dhampires seem to get stronger with age, so he'd be stronger as time passes.
Also, Alucard took it easy on both Sonia and Trevor.  More like a test of their will than an actual "I'm gonna kill you" type of battle.

Not that I'm rooting for him or anything.  Trevor rocks and Richter sucks.  **waves Retro 8-Bit Trevor flag**

Richter gets way too much mention. Trevor FTW. Trevor's got that badass scar going on that eye, and Judgement gave him a freaking eyepatch. (which was pretty neat too)

[Thomas Belmont]

Vampires and Dhampires seem to get stronger with age, so he'd be stronger as time passes.
Also, Alucard took it easy on both Sonia and Trevor.  More like a test of their will than an actual "I'm gonna kill you" type of battle.

Not that I'm rooting for him or anything.  Trevor rocks and Richter sucks.  **waves Retro 8-Bit Trevor flag**

How would Alucard grow stronger by sleeping for hundreds of years? And I never played Legends so I don't know much about the battle between Alucard and Sonia, the game was retconned anyway, but never was it implied that Alucard went easy on Trevor in Dracula's Curse. Trevor defeated him fair and square.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

C'mon dude.  Teleport+Fireball?  It was more of an homage battle than anything else.
Hell, the coffin uses the same sprites as Dracula's from CV1.

If he fought him in his true form, the ball of destruction would've flown further and faster than Trevor's whip and he would've 'Ugh' flinched (although it would not have done as much damage).
With Sonia, he would not have killed her (even you can die at him if you suck).

[C Belmont]

If he fought him in his true form, the ball of destruction would've flown further and faster than Trevor's whip and he would've 'Ugh' flinched (although it would not have done as much damage).
With Sonia, he would not have killed her (even you can die at him if you suck).

Regardless of how Alucard actually fought in his Boss battle it still represents a point in Castlevania's story where Alucard was bettered by a Belmont.

[X]

Regardless of how Alucard's boss battle actually played out it still represents a point in Castlevania's story where Alucard was bettered by a Belmont.

And I agree with this. Both stories with Trevor and Sonia state that Alucard wasn't going easy on either of them. He was testing them and he did so at his full power at the time. Sonia asked Alucard at the end of their fight whether or not he was going easy on her and he told her he didn't. She had made Alucard believe in her power at the end. and it's just the same with CV3. Alucard gave it his all but could not bring down Trevor. Both game stories indicate as such. In case no-one believes me then they should You Tube it to find out.

-X

[VampirehunterB]

Regardless of how Alucard's boss battle actually played out it still represents a point in Castlevania's story where Alucard was bettered by a Belmont.

And I agree with this. Both stories with Trevor and Sonia state that Alucard wasn't going easy on either of them. He was testing them and he did so at his full power at the time. Sonia asked Alucard at the end of their fight whether or not he was going easy on her and he told her he didn't. She had made Alucard believe in her power at the end. and it's just the same with CV3. Alucard gave it his all but could not bring down Trevor. Both game stories indicate as such. In case no-one believes me then they should You Tube it to find out.

-X

right, but the fact remains that he is the strongest  character in sotn, and one needs to judge the present, not the past...

[C Belmont]

right, but the fact remains that he is the strongest  character in sotn

What tells you he's the stongest?
Sure it's possible to defeat Richter when he is possessed in Sotn but really your not meant to
it's also possible for Alucard to die at the hands each & every monster in the game but your not meant to
because that gives you a game over just like beating Richter gives you a bad ending.

one needs to judge the present, not the past...

I have yet to see a canon instance where Alucard beats Richter so as far as I'm concerned
Belmonts 1 Alucard 0

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Bad Ending in SotN = Richter getting his shit ruined.
I don't think being possessed makes him weak.

EDIT- Nevermind, that's not canon.  xD

[Flame]

No, but it does make him an antagonist, which we know will undoubtedly lose, since we the player must face him. Even when NOT an antagonist, just another boss, we know hell lose. Because progressing in the story requires it.

Unless its story relevant that you lose, much like Megaman X6's first meeting with Highmax in the intro stage. (you dont actually, lose, but you cant damage him, so after a while the battle automatically ends and cutscene takes over)

[GuyStarwind]

After reading over this whole thing I have to come to a few different points.
1. Richter(as well as all Belmonts) use HOLY powers. However, with Shaft controlling Richter with DARK powers I could see where the two powers could clash and make Richters true power weaker.

2. The Vampire Killer does damage to all vampires. It doesn't matter if Alucard is only part it's the fact he still has some in him.

3. One could argue and say Alucard went "easy" on Trevor. Well, maybe he did maybe he didn't? However, Dracula who is full 100% vampire sure as hell didn't go easy on any Belmont. I would also say Dracula is more powerful then Alucard being lord of vampires and all that stuff.

4. Who knows maybe Alucard is the strongest in the SotN era? However, I think his glory days are short lived when a Belmont named Julius comes and takes the glory. Not to mention Belmonts just kind of vanish soon after SotN so anyone could claim the title most powerful.

When it comes to who is stronger we really can't say. We don't have any hard proof just theories.

[Maedhros]

Alucard kills Dracula with a damn shield. A SHIELD.

Seriously, I've never saw a strong Dracula on any of the latest Castlevania games. (And the early ones are difficult because of the shitty controls)

Your point 4 is kinda of right: we don't know. But Alucard is still alive after Julius era.

The only thing we can affirm is that Alucard is damn strong. Period.

[darkwzrd4]

I also have a point to make that I don't really think has ever been discussed.  It comes down to whether or not Alucard feeds or not.  For all we know, that detail may affect everything.  Being that he is half vampire, he craves blood.  That being said, if he doesn't feed, he is essentially starving half of who he is which means that he may not have ever realized his ultimate potential.  I mean if he is partially starving himself, how can he truly fight at his absolute full potential?  I could see him not feeding during the time of SotN and before, but once we get the late 20th century, synthetic blood has been developed.  So, depending on the time period we're taking about Alucard may not be able to access his true potential.  If the fight was between Julius in his prime and Alucard (who could be drinking synthetic blood), Alucard may be more powerful.  Of course, this all assumes that drinking blood affects Alucard's overall power.  

This is just a theory though.


By the way, that was a awesome video.

[Grim_Creeper]

Arguably the Belmonts have superhuman power beyond simply using the whips and various sub-weapons.

Regarding Alucard and feeding, Alucard knows the spell of Soul Steal, which I'm under the impression heals you of a certain amount of points multiplied by whatever enemies are on the screen. Therefore whether or not he feeds on blood is irrelevant, because I interpret the healing function of Soul Steal to mean an absorption of animating soul energy, therefore standing in for the drinking blood part. Also, Alucard knows the spell of Dark Metamorphosis, which if I remember rightly, gains HP back from blood spilling enemies.

I would say that Alucard's hunting targets are probably evil people and that he does feed, but feeds exclusively on them. Therefore he is not starving his vampiric half. However he speaks of going into a long sleep, so this theory could be dead wrong.

I think that a controlled evil-aligned Alucard is probably one of the most dangerous things you can run into in a CV universe, aside from Galamoth and a few other late game boss enemies.

Richter AND Alucard vs. Galamoth fully powered? [fully powered meaning HP/MP maxed out and set at the most difficult and aggressive AI patterns].

Who would win THAT?