Topic: Demon Castle War Peiced together.

[KaZudra]

Wind in PoR due to the predicted War in 1999, the Belmonts themselves were inexplicably forbidden to use their family whip for an indeterminate amount.
But the unpure Bloodlines (like Reinhard and the Morris Family) can Use the whip but serve as Fill-ins, which explains Bloodlines, Por, and the N64 games.

Saint Germain Mentions the War or References it at one point, High Possibility that he Tells Trevor of it or Alucard at some point, When Alucard awakens in SoTN, Its a Signification of him taking over for that point on, Meaning after SoTN, Richter Gets the info and Seals off the Whip from the Family for hundreds of years, which also Explains why Stella and Loreta had to unseal the Vampire Killer For Jonathan since they are Decendent of Alucard and Maria, Which also Explains why Richter is the Sealed Spirit of the Whip.

There are Soldiers reanimated form the War, this could be from the good guys side.

Granted that julius is 55 in AoS, that Clocks him at 19, since Yoko is 24 in AoS, it's a high Possibiliy that Julius Fought with Her Mother or Father.
The Characters of PoR are in thier 70's so I doubt they would have a really big role, but thier decendents clocking at half thier age would

Since Alucard Plays a huge role in all of it, I think he is the one who gathered the Soldiers in the War since he is more likely to have the leadership skills at his age.
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With full probabilities, either we'll get a cv3-esque Game where the war is mainly story
or
We'll get a Hybrid game between Guilty Gear 2 Overture and Lord of Shadow
or
We'll get a Castlevania game with a strategy minigame for soldier input.

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all and all, I think this game's release is more delayed due to the way the is gonna be.

[Flame]

Richter isnt the sealed spirit of the Whip, Sarah Tarantoul is. Richter is simply nthe whip's memory of it's last Belmont wielder. Keep in mind the Whip has a soul, so it's basically Sarah's memory of Richter using her. (sounds naughty)

[KaZudra]

Richter isnt the sealed spirit of the Whip, Sarah Tarantoul is. Richter is simply nthe whip's memory of it's last Belmont wielder. Keep in mind the Whip has a soul, so it's basically Sarah's memory of Richter using her. (sounds naughty)

yeah, exactly what I meant, but put in better words, thanks for clarifying that.

[Odile Kuronuma]

Has it been clearly said that Stella and Loretta are descendants of Alucard and Maria? As far as I know, it's just speculations about Eric being related to Alucard.
Besides he made it clear that he doesn't want to have kids, because of his cursed bloodline. And you can forget the whole theory about Trevor being the son of Alucard since Legends is not canon.
If the guys at Konami are  ever gonna make the 1999 game, i think they should go the CV3 route, or have different paths for the characters, then have them meet for the final battle, kinda like Odin Sphere.

[KaZudra]

Has it been clearly said that Stella and Loretta are descendants of Alucard and Maria? As far as I know, it's just speculations about Eric being related to Alucard.
Besides he made it clear that he doesn't want to have kids, because of his cursed bloodline. And you can forget the whole theory about Trevor being the son of Alucard since Legends is not canon.
If the guys at Konami are  ever gonna make the 1999 game, i think they should go the CV3 route, or have different paths for the characters, then have them meet for the final battle, kinda like Odin Sphere.

Maria Renard (Lenard in Japanese) Goes after him in best ending in SoTN, Mostly because of Love, years down the line you get Eric Lecarde whos name sounds like a Combination of Lenard and Alucard, and to make things better he wields the Alucard Spear.

Speaking that every Wielder of the Vampire Killer Seems to be blood related to the Belmonts, yeah. Its Really Obvious that Eric is a Descendent or Maria and Alucard.
and speaking that he is a Bishoumen and Rocking the Blonde hair, there is no evidence that say he is not, and the evidence that says he is is ample

Just Like FF8, Laguna is Squall's Father, even if it was never officially stated, the evidence points guilty.

[Odile Kuronuma]

Yes just as I said, it's nothing more than  speculations. It was never said OFFICIALLY. Believe what you want, but I prefer to stick with what Alucard said about not wanting to continue his cursed bloodline.
Besides I think it's Renard (fox in French)  not Lenard. The Japanese R is  between the English  R and L . That's why Alucard is pronounced Arukado in Japanese, the R being substituted for the L.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

The Radio Drama does suggest that they live together... though it does not state at all whether they have a relationship that would end up having children.

[crisis]

Lecarde family are another offshoot of the Belmont Clan. Alucard makes the spear & gives it to Eric to compliment the Vampire Killer (he hints that the Lecardes are jealous of the Morris clan inheriting the whip) note: this info was gathered from te Judgment guide book.

Alucard hooking up with Maria to produce the Lecardes did NOT happen. Almost as silly as Alucard & Sonia producing Trevor.

[uzo]

Food for though:

Assuming the Dracula X radio drama was canon, which it seems to have no contradictions, then Richter being brain washed isn't likely the reason the whip is gone. The radio drama is post SotN.

Rumor and tales are still spread about Richter and his Vampire Killer. Richter uses it even, as far as I recall, in the Radio Drama.

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As for the Lecarde family being the descendants of Maria and Alucard... That's a very interesting theory. It does run into a few hitches though.

Bloodlines was produced before any sort of timeline. In fact the timeline was something thought up post SotN, if I recall correctly. Just something IGA had been jotting down, and happened to get published later.

It's not impossible to say someone thought of this in advance, but it seems unlikely that this would be thought through prior to Harmony at least.

Questions:
Alucard Spear - true name, or USA manual/game addition? (I am aware that USA only material does get absorbed into the canon at times.)

Was IGA involved in Bloodlines at all?

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Alucard post SotN & Ecclesia:

From Judgement we know that Alucard post SotN was searching out ways to end his father for good. At this point, the church and the Belmonts were working together, and later in Dawn and Aria we know Alucard is an agent of the church. This gives evidence Alucard was also a member relatively shortly after SotN. Less likely but still possible, even right after CV3. Given that...

Assuming the Lecarde theory is true; It could very well be that Alucard decided to have kids for the purpose of solving this issue. The lesser of two evils, continuing his bloodline while ridding his father. Side tacking just a moment for the sake of canonical time frame; Maria was 17 in SotN. Assuming they hooked up after, Maria has a window of likely not more than 15 years, if that, to mother a child in those days. Age 30 is really pushing it. Eric Lecarde being born in 1892  is not, of course, a direct son of Alucard. Though, in that time since SotN, 95 years, there could have been two generations of the family. Eric however seems to be the first to wield the spear. Given all of that...

Where and how does Ecclesia fit in? It could be one of Alucard/The Church's failed attempts to produce a final solution to Dracula. In Judgement we know he is researching ways to rid his father for good. In Ecclesia, it says many organizations were tasked by a higher organization with the goal at creating ways to counter Dracula and his forces. Only one was selected, which made any progress, and that was Ecclesia.

That higher calling could have been an ALucard/Church initiative. I think it is highly likely Alucard fronted it in either case. Who else other than the Church would even have such a thing as dangerous as Dracula's remains? Sans the badguys, I cannot think of any. I also do not believe the badguys would have funded all of this research. It seems like an experiment gone wrong.

Now since Ecclesia was a failure, and a huge blunder, I do believe that it would have been demed to risky to continue that way, and so we move on to Plan B; the Lecarde family.

Perhaps Alucard had started this as one option, even though the Ecclesia thing might have been also a plan thought up at the time. In a way of "better safe than sorry" perhaps.

Also linking to the Belmonts and the whip they gave up. Perhaps this was also a part of the plan. There is hint that the Belmonts may have thought they were relying too much on the whip. Even Simon questioned it in judgement. Trevor was a Belmont who had not given the whip much priority as the others we've seen as well based on CoD and Judgement. To support this the theme of relying less on the whip was also present in Portrait of Ruin, but with an added incentive of course. The fact that Eric is the first to show up with the Alucard Spear could indicate that the Lecarde family's original intention was not to be fighters, but later they were retooled to fight as another attempt at finding a solution to end Dracula forever. They likely did have to exist close after SotN in terms of planning out the idea to quit using the whip for a while.

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Wow that's a lot of conjecture, but good food for though I believe.

Basic conclusions:

Lecarde family formed as Dracula counter measure that failed to work, OR strictly as Belmont aid in sealing and unsealing the whip (or both!).

Richter's mind control is not responsible for the whip problem. Could have been done for teaching un-reliance on it.

Ecclesia events brought forth by Alucard and the Church. A failed attempt.

Lecarde family being of Alucard and Maria are entirely plausible, but no hard evidence is really present. It is very likely they were around shortly after SotN though.


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[crisis]

In OoE, if you look under the file "Belmont" in the pause menu, it states that "one day, the Belmont clan simply vanished, tasking other clans to take up the fight against evil."

So some type of event happens after Symphony/Radio Drama that causes the Belmonts to disappear, however still leaving just enough time to pass the Holy Whip to the Morris clan.

[Nagumo]

I'm suprised so many people still think it was the mind control that made the Belmonts lose their whip. Not to sound arrogant or something, but I had figured that out years ago. 

[affinity]

very interesting.  If they make the 1999 story very well, the war could include multiple playable characters from the start. 

One of the things I liked about Circle of Moon was the intro showed 3 vampire hunters instead of 1 reaching Dracula.   So maybe there could be some concept similiarities, with some inspiration taken from Castlevania III (which in history is treated like it was a war, even though pretty much only 4 were deeply involved.)   1999 will most likely be a greater war, so it could involve more hunters and soldiers in the story (though the soldiers will most likely be NPCs, maybe found at the castle entrance, with the rest being corpses as players progress in the castle.)

I like that idea that Julius might team up with Yoko's mother.  Alucard would be there of course, and maybe some new hunter never seen before, perhaps from the Morris or Lecarde family.    This could be epic in 2-D!      

[Nagumo]

I think the reason they refered to CV3 was a war was because of the conflict between the Eastern Orthodox Church and Dracula that happend before the game. Likewise, the 1999 battle was probably refered to as a war because of the involvement of the millitary.

[KaZudra]

so Far We've Come up with this

A. The Dissapearance was because of the Prophecy, not Richter, hence why he still has the whip whilst he was evil

B. the Lecarde Family may or may not be Blood related to Maria and Alucard, but Due to their Magic and that Spear, the link is very evident, As PoR enforces that it is in fact the Alucard Spear

through entire fan speculation, I'm sure we can crack the entire Demon Castle Wars thing.

[Nagumo]

A. The Dissapearance was because of the Prophecy, not Richter, hence why he still has the whip whilst he was evil

We don't know it happend because of the prophecy. It might be an entire unrelated event that caused the whole thing.

B. the Lecarde Family may or may not be Blood related to Maria and Alucard, but Due to their Magic and that Spear, the link is very evident, As PoR enforces that it is in fact the Alucard Spear

I believe Judgment mentioned that Alucard gave the spear to Eric, which does not neccesarily indicate a family relation between the two.