Topic: Operation: Akumajo commencing Viral Campaign

[cecil-kain]

Well then I think your statement should be more about the big picture & less about the small stuff because it could be costing you valueable followers.

Well, the LoS sequel appears to be quite secure, and the older 3D Castlevanias don't have enough support with our own fanbase...  What more can we be reaching for besides a brighter future for the 2D games?

Have you thought about simply asking what it is that people want from Operation Akumajo? not specifically what dream game they'd like made but the general response they'd like to see from Konami.

This could make for some good polling, but let me ask you --what options would you give everyone?

Also how about trying to give Operation Akumajo a presence on frequented Castlevania websites? like a banner or something? that way there is a greater possibility that people interested in Castlevania will see it.

I like this idea!  :-)

[C Belmont]

I think that a poll might be far too restrictive
Asking for a response in 25 words or less & encouraging carfull consideration before posting might would be a alternative approach, however it doesn't take much for topics to become side tracked and difficult to interpret.

[Flame]

1. Pro Mythology

A mythology which is already incredibly bloated and ended. Aria of Sorrow has written the end of the castlevania timeline much in the way Mega Man Legends has written the end of the Mega Man Timeline as we know it. There is very little room left for games considering the 100 year resurrection rule, which keeps getting broken anyway. After a few more games to fill gaps here and there, a reboot is going to be something that is NEEDED. Its the reason there even is one.

2. Pro 2D Gameplay

Nothing wrong with that, but Operation Akumajo seems to be almost against 3D gameplay, which is something it needs to learn to survive, or end up like Mega Man.


Operation Akumajo should be Pro Castlevania, period. a movement to have Konami listen to what the fans like to see in Castlevania. An operation to make sure they dont forget anniversaries, A movement to preserve quality so we dont get problems like Dawn of Sorrow or bad 3D games.

I guess what I dislike about OA, is the fixation on 2D and the IGAverse. Both of those are great and I love them as much as the next fan, but that cant be all there is to castlevania.

As is right now, Castlevania is extremely hostile for an outside developer if they wish to make their own game, there is a shitton of continuity clogging up whatever they could think of. Its daunting and unappealing. Which is why we have a fresh re-boot, to start things over again. Say what you will about LoS, but it was something that was needed.

[KaZudra]

A mythology which is already incredibly bloated and ended. Aria of Sorrow has written the end of the castlevania timeline much in the way Mega Man Legends has written the end of the Mega Man Timeline as we know it. There is very little room left for games considering the 100 year resurrection rule, which keeps getting broken anyway. After a few more games to fill gaps here and there, a reboot is going to be something that is NEEDED. Its the reason there even is one.Nothing wrong with that, but Operation Akumajo seems to be almost against 3D gameplay, which is something it needs to learn to survive, or end up like Mega Man.


Operation Akumajo should be Pro Castlevania, period. a movement to have Konami listen to what the fans like to see in Castlevania. An operation to make sure they dont forget anniversaries, A movement to preserve quality so we dont get problems like Dawn of Sorrow or bad 3D games.

I guess what I dislike about OA, is the fixation on 2D and the IGAverse. Both of those are great and I love them as much as the next fan, but that cant be all there is to castlevania.

As is right now, Castlevania is extremely hostile for an outside developer if they wish to make their own game, there is a shitton of continuity clogging up whatever they could think of. Its daunting and unappealing. Which is why we have a fresh re-boot, to start things over again. Say what you will about LoS, but it was something that was needed.

I agree, except with the whole Megaman thing (I believe its an Alternate time since Later X or Zero or even ZX games disproves any possibility of Legends "Canonically" whatever that means Megaman wise)

OA Should be about castlevania and the quality of the Games, Protesting that 16 year old, 16-bit Sprites (richter) Don't belong in a 2010-2011 game (HD).
That And We don't want another SoTN with a new grinding Gimmick (Souls, Subweapon/spells, Glyphs) Its old and while each Idea is fresh, the Grinding aspect kills it shortly after.

[cecil-kain]

A mythology which is already incredibly bloated and ended. Aria of Sorrow has written the end of the castlevania timeline much in the way Mega Man Legends has written the end of the Mega Man Timeline as we know it. There is very little room left for games considering the 100 year resurrection rule, which keeps getting broken anyway. After a few more games to fill gaps here and there, a reboot is going to be something that is NEEDED. Its the reason there even is one.Nothing wrong with that, but Operation Akumajo seems to be almost against 3D gameplay, which is something it needs to learn to survive, or end up like Mega Man.

Operation Akumajo should be Pro Castlevania, period. a movement to have Konami listen to what the fans like to see in Castlevania. An operation to make sure they dont forget anniversaries, A movement to preserve quality so we dont get problems like Dawn of Sorrow or bad 3D games.

I guess what I dislike about OA, is the fixation on 2D and the IGAverse. Both of those are great and I love them as much as the next fan, but that cant be all there is to castlevania.

As is right now, Castlevania is extremely hostile for an outside developer if they wish to make their own game, there is a shitton of continuity clogging up whatever they could think of. Its daunting and unappealing. Which is why we have a fresh re-boot, to start things over again. Say what you will about LoS, but it was something that was needed.

I think we're in agreement about the bloated timeline.  One of IGA's mistakes was throwing out the 100 year rule and spamming the timeline with all of these nonsensical resurrections.  He obviously wanted to do his own origin story.  That would have been an excellent time to reboot, but considering what Lament turned out to be, maybe it's better that he didn't...  In any case, the original continuity remains unfinished due to the void that is the 1999 Demon Castle War.  Any serious effort to reboot the series should have started by first giving proper closure to the story we've been following up till now...

As for the hostility toward 3D, just remember the context.  Konami has been so bent on 3D Castlevania, that they've been pushing it nonstop since 1999!  No matter how bad the reviews, no matter how poor the sales, they just wouldn't let it go...  All of it would have been amusing if not for the fact that they also condemned the 2D games to portables for 14 years.  Now their final solution is to leverage the brand and reboot beyond recognition...

In any case, the 3D genre is secure.  Konami is pleased by LoS sales and a sequel is definitely going to happen.  The problem is that the future of 2D genre is not secure.  Portables are no longer the safe haven they used to be, and Harmony of Despair bodes for some extremely cheap production values.  It sounds like you might be open to the multiversal approach I mentioned earlier --I think that's the sort of thing any reasonable fan should be able to agree on...  But this is looking more and more like a scenario where 3D will have a seat at the table with a plate of Prime Rib, while 2D (if it exists) will be the mangy mut under the table who's lucky to get a bone.

[Pemburu Vampir]

Sadly, this is also what happened to Metroid.

Where is my 2D Metroid for home consoles?

[KaZudra]

Alas, I highly doubt the Demon Castle wars would exist, It's simply too much effort for Iga.
Sure he took a Step forward in OoE, but that's ONE STEP in 11 years.
Making a Castlevania game that demands to be Large Scaled and have strategy Gameplay as well as the Castlevania feel to it Simply can't be done by this man and his team.

However, IF Demon Castle Wars or Castlevania Wars were to come out, The 3DS or Wii-U would be perfect.
The Top Screen is the Normal Game which you control Julius and such
The Bottom Screen uses Real Time Strategy as you command your troops to battlements

[Flame]

I agree, except with the whole Megaman thing (I believe its an Alternate time since Later X or Zero or even ZX games disproves any possibility of Legends "Canonically" whatever that means Megaman wise)

The Legends Series is set far into the future of the Mega Man timeline. Far faaar into the future. Like, thousands of years, far.

The Legends world is covered by mostly water, Humans are extinct, and have been replaced by Carbons, who are basically like Humans (enough that they dont know it themselves) but apparently different somehow.

The Humans created some sort of perfect world, (elysium) and had Humanoid Robots to serve them. they also had what in japan were called Irregular Hunters (hint hint) who hunt down malfunctioning units in the system. Somehow they all died off, and the master, aftyer having lived for thousands of years, died after asking Mega Man Trigger to take him to Terra, since he cannot survive long outside of Elysium.

Elysium had a program set up that upon the death of the last Human, would purge terra of it's inhabitants and clone new humans from the DNA library stored on Elysium. The Mankind Playback program. The master asked Trigger to destroy the library and the system, sparing the Carbons he had grown fond of, realizing his perfect world without death or hardships was empty and cold in comparison with normal life. Trigger failed upon fighting to a standstil with one of the Mother units, the one in charge of Elysium, and twas forced to reset his parameters to the configuration of a newborn. the remaining one sealed them both away.

And to all of this, we have NO knowledge of HOW the world got that way in the first place.

And yet, Trigger is a robot, but so similar to Carbons that nobody was able to tell the difference.

The Stage for Adventure

Okay, up next we’ll examine the mystery concerning this adventure’s setting. The world we live in is, simply enough, the Earth. It happens to be the same Earth that the Rockman series and X series took place on! But as to whether this takes place in the future or the past of those events… I’m actually not allowed to tell you yet. It’s a splendid tidbit of key importance. Although it’s not really brought up in the basic story outline, just the fact that this connection exists behind the scenes adds a spicy layer of tension to the narrative, don’t you think?

Uh oh, maybe I’ve said a little too much on the subject. The project manager is giving me an angry look…

http://kobun20.interordi.com/2011/04/06/dr-datas-dash-dissertation/

Aizu- Well this is just our own personal opinion, but the way we see it, the end of the Mega Man series has already been written in the form of [the] "Mega Man Legends" [series]. We feel that no matter how you continue the Mega Man series, you'll always end up at Legends. Therefore we feel that everything we have created has, in a way, laid the ground work for that world to come into existence. We have to make sure that things like the environment and Human-Reploid relations that we establish will be able to make a comfortable transition to that future world.

Mega Man Zero Official Complete Works, said by Takuya Aizu, the president of Inticreates and Producer of the Mega Man Zero series.

do note they also made the ZX series.

[KaZudra]

The Legends Series is set far into the future of the Mega Man timeline. Far faaar into the future. Like, thousands of years, far.

The Legends world is covered by mostly water, Humans are extinct, and have been replaced by Carbons, who are basically like Humans (enough that they dont know it themselves) but apparently different somehow.

The Humans created some sort of perfect world, (elysium) and had Humanoid Robots to serve them. they also had what in japan were called Irregular Hunters (hint hint) who hunt down malfunctioning units in the system. Somehow they all died off, and the master, aftyer having lived for thousands of years, died after asking Mega Man Trigger to take him to Terra, since he cannot survive long outside of Elysium.

Elysium had a program set up that upon the death of the last Human, would purge terra of it's inhabitants and clone new humans from the DNA library stored on Elysium. The Mankind Playback program. The master asked Trigger to destroy the library and the system, sparing the Carbons he had grown fond of, realizing his perfect world without death or hardships was empty and cold in comparison with normal life. Trigger failed upon fighting to a standstil with one of the Mother units, the one in charge of Elysium, and twas forced to reset his parameters to the configuration of a newborn. the remaining one sealed them both away.

Gotcha, but which Timeline does it fall under since both CM and ZERO Timelines seem probable, or does it even matter?

[Flame]

CM and Zero are both part of the same timeline. CM is set near the end of the X series, before Zero's first seal.

MegaMan ->100yrs -> MegaMan X -> century -> Command Mission ->unknown amount of time -> Zero discovered as source of Sigma Virus, and sealed -> 50yrs -> Mother Elf created, Weil instigates Elf wars -> 4yrs -> Zero awakens in copy body, aids X in capturing Dark Elf and defeating Omega, ending Elf Wars -> Zero seals himself for the second time ->century (I think?) -> MegaMan Zero -> 200yrs -> Mega Man ZX -> unknown amount of time, possibly thousands of years -> Mega Man Legends

[crisis]

THIS IS NOW A MEGAMAN THREAD

[Kingshango]

Where is my 2D Metroid for home consoles?

More like, where's my 2D Metroid PERIOD!?

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

More like, where's my 2D Metroid PERIOD!?

What about Metroid Other M?

It has 2.5D gameplay in the game.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I wouldn't call that 2.5D gameplay, but rather 3D gameplay like Final Fight, only far more advanced & fluid... though there are some strictly-sidescrolling parts at times.

[Successor The Cruel]

THIS IS NOW A MEGAMAN THREAD

Yes. Enough with this tiresome Mega Man nonsense, please.

The thing about 2D is a problem (if you want to call it that) not just with Castlevania, but the entire industry. Not a lot of companies have faith in 2D games on home consoles, and it's been this way for many, many years. It's detrimental to Castlevania because the series never comfortably converted to the 3D format the way its long time contemporaries like Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Ninja Gaiden, and so many others have. I think it would be great to have a 2D Castlevania game on a home console, but in this day and age, I think it's a bit unrealistic, unless we're talking about a downloadable game. If the handheld games did major, major sales, then perhaps Konami would have enough faith in the series to try that big experiment. I think the most realistic solution for the current lame state the Castlevania series is in is for Konami to start putting out really, really good 3D games.