Topic: Ds games Revisited

[crisis]

god damnit


cvdf owns me once again

[Succubus]

Haha, revisited? I've yet to buy or play any of them. Not worth my time. Maybe I should finally force myself to play the second two on GBA sometime. Maybe the next time I get sick and am stuck in bed with nothing better to do.

[Ialdabaoth]

No, that's Kamen Rider. Definitely Kamen Rider.

Nah, looks more like Xion the Unborn from Bloody Roar if he were Egyptian XD

[shelverton.]

Haha, revisited? I've yet to buy or play any of them. Not worth my time. Maybe I should finally force myself to play the second two on GBA sometime. Maybe the next time I get sick and am stuck in bed with nothing better to do.

Well, if you already know they're not worth your time I don't see why you would wanna put yourself through that. It's uncool enough being sick, y'know.

Anyway, this topic made me want a new Metroidvania. Cause they're awesome. Even the bad ones. I'm thinking about picking up Aliens: Infestation which is supposed to play a little like that.

[thernz]

At the very least, the first two DS games aren't that good. HEH.

[Flame]

#2 DoS - Massive game. Big castle. My favorite gameplay of the three. Lots of cool secondary characters added to the plot. Dracula, Alucard and the latest Belmont as well as a Belnades. The most recent game in the timeline.

Except those "new characters" were already all present in Aria of Sorrow. The only NEW characters in Dawn of Sorrow were shallow, badly written, and terribly terribly cliche and generic. it was like the 3 stooges, and the plot was ridiculous. Aria presented us with this idea that Dracula Re-incarnated upon his final defeat at the hands of Julius into a normal Human boy. One who once he realizes his true nature wants nothing to do with becoming Dracula, and manages to defeat the flow of chaos within the castle, not only defeating the castle itself, but the very essence that made Dracula Dracula.

Then DoS shits all over what was potentially a great way for the series itself to end, by introducing this huge replica castle, and reveals that after Dracula's death apparently his powers scattered into different newborns, creating some people with supernatural powers. therefore, Soma is no longer unique, his only saving grace as it were, being that he actually harbors the Soul of Dracula and Power of Dominance that comes with it. and so theres these "Dark Lord" candidates now. Because somehow Dracula = Satan or something, and is REQUIRED in order for some bullshit about God being absolute good only when theres an absolute Evil. (which again apparently Dracula is) I dunno bout you, but back before DOS, Dracula was well, just Dracula. it wasn't about absolute evil vs absolute good, it was about a Vampire with anger directing issues deciding to wipe out all of humanity for his Wife's death, all the while being thwarted every generation by the descendants of the man who was once his friend, who pledged his family to hunt him down forever when he was betrayed.

DoS instead tries to take those two arrogant "Dark lord candidates", because apparently, simply having a portion of power that came from Dracula makes you a likely candidate to replace him. It also brought back the power of chaos from like, out of NOWHERE, and it all ends as you'd expect, with it all blowing up in the villains' faces.

I feel that DoS' plot could have been good. When you look at the base idea of someone trying to usurp the void left by Dracula's absence, it sounds like a cool plot. But the way DoS did that, was terrible. I mean, having someone like Olrox, or fuck, even someone like Graham, take over Dracula's "Empire" as it were, would be pretty neat. In fact, having a Human absorb dark powers and/or/souls and shit to become this dark overlord, or even become a vampire, would be pretty cool. I mean, hey, Graham got them powers he was packin' somehow right? But not a cliche trio consisting of the hot headed brawler, the clever smart guy, ad the token witch with the evil cackle who makes some stereotypical villain banter, then cackles as she teleports out trying to have two guys who inherited minuscule insignificant portions of a vampire lord's power trying to see which one of them can replace him...

On that note, I STILL have no idea how the negating of Alucard's powers is supposed to work.

[Succubus]

I'm amazed that anyone cares about the plot in Castlevania games at all. It's basically nonexistent. Just shows how far the series has fallen when people have to look toward the paper thin plots to try to find entertainment.

[Sindra]

You shut your hooker-mouth, Tina!








 

[Flame]

I'm amazed that anyone cares about the plot in Castlevania games at all. It's basically nonexistent. Just shows how far the series has fallen when people have to look toward the paper thin plots to try to find entertainment.

Castlevania has had plot ever since Symphony. Even Rondo had more story to it than it's predecessors. It had cutscenes to it.

[Succubus]

Yeah, anime fan service of no substance and Dracula's massive lopsided shoulders with his mouth flapping open and shut saying something generically evil.

[thernz]

Y-yeah, Rondo doesn't really have a plot. It doesn't really follow any sort of narrative structure. Richter just goes to places and ends up whipping Dracula dead in the face. They're just trials without story-significant substance. But I'm okay with that. At the very least, in Castlevanias with story, they're mostly usually kept to short cutscenes, so they don't dig into the flow.

I'm fine with not knowing more about the Belmonts. I don't need to know about their birthplace or diet. I'm killing Dracula and they have no correspondence with that.

of course then there's lords of shadow with redundant drawn-out narration, a barrage of cutscenes, and walls of text that think the highest form of comedy is referential internet/videogame humor. i like my shit lean like cv1.

[darkwzrd4]

Except those "new characters" were already all present in Aria of Sorrow. The only NEW characters in Dawn of Sorrow were shallow, badly written, and terribly terribly cliche and generic. it was like the 3 stooges, and the plot was ridiculous. Aria presented us with this idea that Dracula Re-incarnated upon his final defeat at the hands of Julius into a normal Human boy. One who once he realizes his true nature wants nothing to do with becoming Dracula, and manages to defeat the flow of chaos within the castle, not only defeating the castle itself, but the very essence that made Dracula Dracula.

Then DoS shits all over what was potentially a great way for the series itself to end, by introducing this huge replica castle, and reveals that after Dracula's death apparently his powers scattered into different newborns, creating some people with supernatural powers. therefore, Soma is no longer unique, his only saving grace as it were, being that he actually harbors the Soul of Dracula and Power of Dominance that comes with it. and so theres these "Dark Lord" candidates now. Because somehow Dracula = Satan or something, and is REQUIRED in order for some bullshit about God being absolute good only when theres an absolute Evil. (which again apparently Dracula is) I dunno bout you, but back before DOS, Dracula was well, just Dracula. it wasn't about absolute evil vs absolute good, it was about a Vampire with anger directing issues deciding to wipe out all of humanity for his Wife's death, all the while being thwarted every generation by the descendants of the man who was once his friend, who pledged his family to hunt him down forever when he was betrayed.

DoS instead tries to take those two arrogant "Dark lord candidates", because apparently, simply having a portion of power that came from Dracula makes you a likely candidate to replace him. It also brought back the power of chaos from like, out of NOWHERE, and it all ends as you'd expect, with it all blowing up in the villains' faces.

I feel that DoS' plot could have been good. When you look at the base idea of someone trying to usurp the void left by Dracula's absence, it sounds like a cool plot. But the way DoS did that, was terrible. I mean, having someone like Olrox, or fuck, even someone like Graham, take over Dracula's "Empire" as it were, would be pretty neat. In fact, having a Human absorb dark powers and/or/souls and shit to become this dark overlord, or even become a vampire, would be pretty cool. I mean, hey, Graham got them powers he was packin' somehow right? But not a cliche trio consisting of the hot headed brawler, the clever smart guy, ad the token witch with the evil cackle who makes some stereotypical villain banter, then cackles as she teleports out trying to have two guys who inherited minuscule insignificant portions of a vampire lord's power trying to see which one of them can replace him...

On that note, I STILL have no idea how the negating of Alucard's powers is supposed to work.

I completely agree with Flame.  He/She (I don't know which Flame is) really hit the nail on the head.  Though I have one correction: Soma didn't destroy Chaos in AoS.  He just severed it from the castle and himself, thus destroying the castle and preventing him from becoming what he was in his previous life. 
Like Flame, I believe that DoS had potential.  Actually, we didn't need Soma anymore.  It could have just been someone seeking the chaos with Julius, Yoko, and Alucard trying to stop him or her.  It could have been one of Dracula's former underlings like Olrox.  Look at the novel that came out in Japan.  From the little I know about it, that is exactly what is happening.  Now then, from a story stand point (which some of you don't care about) which seems better?
Again, the sucky story is in large part a result of the way IGA does things (gameplay and battle system first. story second), which is not a good way to approach things like this.

And, like Flame, I never understood how the "reversing the flow of Alucard's powers" worked.  My guess is that it's just a copout way of making it so that Soma has to end things instead.  Alucard should have been able to end things alone.

[Flame]

I'm pretty sure the male icon under my avatar should make it obvious what gender I am.

Personally id kind of like Soma becoming a monster/vampire hunter. I mean come on, how cool is that. The reincarnation of Dracula hunting down vampires? besides, its pretty obvious by now that no matter what Julius or Alucard do, they wont stop him from getting involved in that shit.

[shelverton.]

I agree about the poor plot in Castlevania. And I prefer DoS over AoS because it's basically AoS done right in terms of gameplay, even if the story "shits all over AoS". The story in AoS wasn't even that great to begin with so it all boils down to this: Which game is more fun to play? DoS, IMO. They're both fab, but DoS wins. Fatality.

[thernz]

I actually thought DoS made the gameplay worse with its "improvements". I think the only things I preferred in DoS were the bosses and the Lost Village, though I would always prefer Chaos before the snooze of a boss Menace.