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Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« on: December 19, 2011, 07:08:49 AM »
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The Lisa stuff happened before Castlevania III, right?

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 07:16:04 AM »
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Yes. Lisa is dead by the time of CV3.

Don't even need to be a nerd >.> Just need to connect simple dots.

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 07:58:07 AM »
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Yes, the romance between Dracula and Lisa happened between LoI and CVIII. They got Alucard there and Lisa was killed by humans who thought she was a witch. Dracula was very angry and put his curse on Europe to avenge his dead wife and punish humans, leading to CVIII.

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 01:44:29 PM »
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Yes, the romance between Dracula and Lisa happened between LoI and CVIII. They got Alucard there and Lisa was killed by humans who thought she was a witch. Dracula was very angry and put his curse on Europe to avenge his dead wife and punish humans, leading to CVIII.
Yup.  Before Lisa's death, Dracula only hated god.  It was Lisa's death, or in Dracula's eyes: murder, that made him hate humans and sentence them to extinction.  My only question is when precisely did she die.  All we know is that she was killed, Alucard witnessed it, and that Dracula started his war against humans afterward.  We are never told how much time passed before Trevor Belmont emerged and began his journey to defeat Dracula.  I'm also wondering when precisely Alucard turned on his father.  Remember, when you first meet Death at the beginning of SotN, he says that he will not ask Alucard we return to "our side", but he demands that he stops attacking.  This implies that Alucard was once on Dracula's side.  Could it be that he once fought for the forces of evil before joining the forces of good?
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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 01:54:10 PM »
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There is a timeline that places Lisa's death as sometime during the 1470's. Also, the CoD manga suggests that Alucard betrayed his father very shortly before the events of CV3 because Dracula didn't hear about that until Trevor was already trying to get into the castle.   

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 04:07:16 PM »
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There is a timeline that places Lisa's death as sometime during the 1470's. Also, the CoD manga suggests that Alucard betrayed his father very shortly before the events of CV3 because Dracula didn't hear about that until Trevor was already trying to get into the castle.

That's been updated by the radio drama.  In 1448 Ryudomiru pledges his allegiance to Alucard as tribute to Lisa because she healed his parents before she was condemned.  So we can assume she was killed shortly before. 

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 08:20:35 PM »
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Good thing that checks out.  Who knows how much more I'd be raping the timeline if it didn't.

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 08:40:43 PM »
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What are you raping the timeline with?

Let me know if you need any other dates.  I've got a mostly complete timeline written out.

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 08:48:12 PM »
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I'm working on something that probably prevents Charlotte and Carrie from existing.

edit:  Yoko too.
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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2011, 03:55:50 PM »
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That's been updated by the radio drama.  In 1448 Ryudomiru pledges his allegiance to Alucard as tribute to Lisa because she healed his parents before she was condemned.  So we can assume she was killed shortly before.

Well, we know that the radio drama flashbacks are set 350 before SotN, but I think they were just rounding that up. Otherwise you have this weird 25 year gap between Lisa's death and CV3 during which nothing happend...   

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2011, 05:40:56 PM »
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Otherwise you have this weird 25 year gap between Lisa's death and CV3 during which nothing happend...   
Dracula was preparing his invasion?
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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 05:48:04 PM »
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Dracula was preparing his invasion?


For 25 years?

I doubt it.



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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2011, 06:02:31 PM »
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Yes, that's my main gripe with that theory.   

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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2011, 08:04:49 PM »
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  This has no effect on me.


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Re: Hey Alucard backstory nerds
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2011, 10:01:29 PM »
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It is a little odd, but I have a theory that Iga was beginning to accept that Legends, CotM, CV64, and LoD could be incorporated into his timeline.  He's never come right out and said it, but references to those games had been popping up near the end of his tenure.  Also, it would explain why he changed Lisa's death date.  Having her die a couple years before Legends allows Dracula enough time to declare a fuck-this-world-war on everyone out of anger and using the slightly powerful yet limited resources available to him at that time.

1426
-Ryudomiru is born.

1433
-Sonia Belmont is born.

14xx
-Lisa, Alucard's mother, is condemned to death as a witch.  Alucard() may have witnessed her execution.


1448
–After Lisa’s death, Ryudomiru(22) pledges his allegiance to Alucard(51) because Lisa had healed his parents.
-Ryudomiru is mortally wounded and turned into a vampire by the incubus Magnus.
-Alucard defeats Magnus.

1450
-Castlevania Legends
   -Sonia Belmont(17) defeats Dracula(388) with the help of his son Alucard.
   -Alucard enters a state of hibernation to remove his cursed bloodline from the world.

1452
-Isaac LaForeze is born.  He has the natural powers of a Demon Forgemaster.

1455
-Hector is born.  He has the natural powers of a Demon Forgemaster.

1456
–Trevor C. Belmont is born.

1459
–Julia LaForeze, Isaac’s sister, is born.

1476
-Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse

Instead of actually dying by Sonia's hands, Dracula pulls the old appear-to-be-dead-but-actually-escape-as-mist-trick that he would later use again on Christopher Belmont.  This allows Dracula 26 years to bide his time, become more powerful, grow a larger army of monsters, and even tutor a couple of young Devil Forgemasters as generals.  Also, keep in mind that Dracula's war had started long before Trevor set off on his quest.  So we're probably looking at less than 20 years.

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