Topic: Why COMPLETED on-disc DLC is a bad idea

[VladCT]

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/19/capcom-on-the-hunt-for-street-fighter-x-tekken-hackers/
This could've been avoided if the on-disc data for the DLC characters were incomplete (note that I take a neutral stance on on-disc DLC, as I do with most of the gaming-related drama that's been happening over the course of these years).
And LOL at Capcom trying to get the fanbase they've been screwing over to cooperate at first.

[Ahasverus]

The industry is getting me sad nowadays, it's all about the money, this is a steal, Jesus... I think the real future of gaming lies in the indie developers, Valve, Rockstar and bethesda, those compaines stll respect their fans and trat them with quality, quantity and honesty. EA, Activision, Ubisoft and Scamcom are becoming leechers with each move they make.

I mean, really, shutting down online-pass-supported servers 2 yars latter? REALLY EA?? FUCK YOU!

[KaZudra]

Capcom's been doing this for about 3-4 years, I'm actually glad people are making this public.

[ScionOfBalance]

Serves Capcom right for being such money hungry bastard.On-disc Dlc?Really Capcom?

[Neobelmont]

Would you guys believe me if I said that some people tried to justify this almost making it like it was good news or something? Long story short a gamestop employee and I were talking and he was like you have the choice to get what you want and like the price in total is like 116 for the dlc I said 130 something, but it does not matter the fact is how can you justify content that is on the disk then charge people I do not recall Namco doing this for tekken6. 60-70 maybe 80 if your getting the special edition is alot of money and your telling me it's what you want?The hell I want my moneys worth dammit not get fucked over by having to pay for content that I should have. Also who wants to take bets that capcom might make a super arcade version in the next few months?

[Sumac]

Also who wants to take bets that capcom might make a super arcade version in the next few months?

That is the reason, why I don't want to buy this game. Besides, it being another rehash of SF4 engine. (And I have a strong disliking of the SF4 graphics / style).

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

"Congratulations on buying this Capcom car."
"My mechanic told me that there's an Wireless Radio, extra large storage behind the trunk, and an extra large gas tank, but there's a lock on all of those things."
"Oh that? Please ignore that."
"But he says it's right there... Why would you sell me this car and not unlock those things that are right there in the car?"
"Look, to be honest, those things each cost about a fifth of the total cost of the car, each, and we're not giving out the keys for them until months from now."
"Uhhhh
1. that's pretty expensive, if you think about it.  I'm paying for three options that are right there in the car, the only thing stopping me is a lock you put on there...
2. and you're not giving out the keys to those locks until months from now... why would you do that?"
"Well, see in a few months from now people will want the game to seem new again, so we will unlock those features."
"For free?"
"Oh heavens no, we'll charge you, like I said."
"You know, that's pretty underhanded."
"Well what's the alternative?  That you wait a year and then I'll release a 'complete' version of the game, with (mostly) everything unlocked at start, at 3/4 of the price?"
"Actually why wouldn't you just release THAT version, at THAT price?"
"Well it would take too long."
"It's not like there's a deadline!"
"Well that, and we want people to pay for the thing twice.  Or three times.  Hell, we might make an "Ultimate" version of the same car."
"I don't think I'll be buying cars from you anymore."
"It's OK, there are other people who think it's a bargain to do it this way!  They don't want to wait a year, so they pay a PREMIUM for this version, even if it's gimped and they'll pay for extra stuff later."
"B-but those are your most devoted fans!  Why would you screw them over like that?"
"I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.  I was too busy over here counting my money."

End scene.

[JR]

I read things like this and I wonder if Capcom and Konami had a secret wager to see who could completely destroy their own reputation the quickest.

I don't think trying to play as-of-yet unreleased characters is something I'd ever try to do, but I can't say I really blame the gamers who are doing this.

Also, is it kind of funny that Capcom's senior VP officially used the word "ballsy?" Maybe his next statement to the gaming press will be something like, "Knock it off, you little dickheads! GRRRR"

[Ahasverus]

The funny part?
People already unlocked those files and are playing ONLINE with them

FUCK YOU CRAPCOM

[Flame]

Then we wonder why Inafune left when he did, trash talking the entire Japanese gaming industry along the way.

(and he's still criticizing it)

[DoctaMario]

I don't own a next-gen console, (though I've been thinking about getting a PS3 or a Vita) but this DLC business has given me pause. What happens if/when the hard drive in the console crashes? Do you have to pay again for the same content? What happens when said company decides to stop offering online (and let's face it, a LOT of games nowadays are dependent on the internet to work as fully intended.)?

I read an article in Game INformer about how the games of this generation aren't going to stand the test of time because most of them are dependent on outside things like DLC or online play to be complete experiences, and when those things go away, what are you left with? I mean, I doubt anyone will be playing SFxT in 10 years like they do Third Strike, but still.

[Sumac]

What happens if/when the hard drive in the console crashes? Do you have to pay again for the same content?

Usually, your account on the server remembers what have you bought. So in case, if your HD crashes you just need to redownload everything. No payment required.

[Munchy]

Then we wonder why Inafune left when he did, trash talking the entire Japanese gaming industry along the way.

(and he's still criticizing it)

I dunno, some of the dumb things Capcom were his doing. For example, all of the fuckery concerning the new Devil May Cry was his brilliant idea of asking Ninja Theory, "What if Devil May Cry were a movie in your region? What would it be like?"

Also I had hearty lols at his whole "reinvent your franchises or be done" spiel towards Japanese companies recently. Do as I say, not as I have done for the past twenty fucking years.

[KaZudra]

this is why Complete editions only hit PC, they know if DLC was on the disk then they couldn't do anything about it.

[DoctaMario]

Usually, your account on the server remembers what have you bought. So in case, if your HD crashes you just need to redownload everything. No payment required.

I kinda figured that was the case (as it is with the Apple App Store) but I figured I'd ask anyway.