Topic: Mathias IS Dracula IS Soma

[Mathias Hyperion]

Right, this has already been mentioned; I have a vague memory of a conversation at some point last year, and I couldn't have come up with this idea myself, but it does explain away any inconsistencies between Mathias and Vlad. It also does not contradict IGA's statement that Mathias is Dracula.

10??: Mathias Cronqvist is born.
1094: Mathias renounces God.
1???: Mathias dies and rises from the dead.
1???: Mathias is destroyed and sealed.
1431: Vlad Dracula is born. He is the reincarnation of Mathias.
1462: Vlad renounces God.
1476: Vlad dies and rises from the dead.
1999: Vlad is destroyed and sealed.
201?: Soma Cruz is born.
2036: Soma witnesses Mina's death and becomes a vampire.

(Ok, the last entry is just my own preference, since that ending of Dawn of Sorrow is easily the coolest, and it continues the cycle.)

So Mathias and Vlad and Soma have the same soul but different bodies.

And credit to whoever came up with this originally.

[Long John Silver]

Rondo's manual states Drac's age is approximately 800 years though. If there was some reincarnation crap going on his age would reset once he was reborn as Vlad, just like what happened with Soma.

[Mathias Hyperion]

In Reply To #2

That manual (it was Symphony's, did Rondo's do it as well?) is inconsistent with LOI as well, as there's no way Mathias was 100 years old at the time of LOI.

Besides, someone probably just messed up with that manual. This site's suggestion that LOI was made purely to justify the manual is probably a bit exaggerrated, but the truth is that there were six years between those games and I doubt the SOTN manual was meant to be some sort of foreshadowing of an upcoming origin story, especially since (to the best of my knowledge) Legends was released in the same year as SOTN to serve as the origin story (although I don't think IGA had any involvement with Legends, correct me if I'm wrong).

[Long John Silver]

As far as I remember castlevania adventure's manual states that Dracula was alive and practicing dark sorcery long before the cv3 events.

Need confirmation though, anyone knows of the location with the japanese manuals translation?

edit:

However, the devil Dracula has existed long before his first confrontation. Not as the devil Dracula, but as an evil sorcerer.

Count Dracula was a fanatical demon worshipper, who built a dark castle at the outskirts of Transylvania and conducted evil rituals every night.

He has summoned several demons from the other world to serve him and he himself has been trying to get eternal life by becoming a demon king possesing evil powers.

http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cvgb1/documents/CVAJ.txt

There we go. Cv3 was his first confrontation and he supposedly existed long before that.

[Rath]

In Reply To #4

That is pretty damn interesting..

[DragonSlayr81]

In Reply To #2

That manual (it was Symphony's, did Rondo's do it as well?) is inconsistent with LOI as well, as there's no way Mathias was 100 years old at the time of LOI.

Besides, someone probably just messed up with that manual. This site's suggestion that LOI was made purely to justify the manual is probably a bit exaggerrated, but the truth is that there were six years between those games and I doubt the SOTN manual was meant to be some sort of foreshadowing of an upcoming origin story, especially since (to the best of my knowledge) Legends was released in the same year as SOTN to serve as the origin story (although I don't think IGA had any involvement with Legends, correct me if I'm wrong).

Rondo of Blood originally stated that Dracula was around 800 years old in Dracula's profile(on the character section). In SotN, they say Dracula is an "Estimated 800", meaning "give or take" some years. IGA wanted to address why Dracula was THAT old(even though, he, himself, wasn't the one to come up with that idea). LoI Perfect Guide states that Mathias was 32 during LoI, meaning he was born in 1062. That means he was 730 during RoB and 735 during SotN. Maybe leaning more to be an "estimated 700", but I can let it slide. Especially since IGA wanted them(Mathias and Leon) to have some tie to the Crusades(even the First Crusade was to begin a year after LoI).

And yeah, IGA retconned Legends. In IGA's canon, Trevor was the first Belmont(person) to defeat Dracula. Since then, Dracula was, basically, "alive"(well, had yet to meet his end at the hands of a foe). IGA stated that, between the time of LoI and CV3, Mathias changed his name to "Dracula" and hid out in many countries. The Belmonts wouldn't meet Dracula until CV3, and IGA stated that, during the time between LoI and CV3, the Belmonts were fighting "other" threats. He was secretive regarding who these "other" threats were, but it's believed that they are other vampires, perhaps like Carmilla and Olrox. I think, recently, IGA shown some interest in that period(after LoI, but before CV3) when he was discussing possible ideas for the upcoming CV games(the DS one and the next gen one).

[Thomas Belmont]

I wonder if the Belmonts know that Dracula was Mathias.

[DragonSlayr81]

I wonder that, too. Though, when I always envision a remake of CV3, I always see Trevor entering Dracula's throneroom and Dracula saying something like, "That blood. It's has the scent of an old friend of mine. You are Belmont...". 

[CVfan13]

In Reply To #8

Not a bad idea.

[Mathias Hyperion]

Just to be awkward (on my part), Symphony's manual also says that Lisa is the only woman Dracula has ever loved. If Mathias and Dracula are one in the same, then what about Elisabetha? Or is it supposed to be that Dracula didn't exist until 1094, and/or Elisabetha and Lisa are one in the same?

[The Last Belmont]

Just to be awkward (on my part), Symphony's manual also says that Lisa is the only woman Dracula has ever loved. If Mathias and Dracula are one in the same, then what about Elisabetha? Or is it supposed to be that Dracula didn't exist until 1094, and/or Elisabetha and Lisa are one in the same?

Yeah I think  it's like the Darth Vader thing, Mathias ceased to be Mathias when he absorbed Walter's soul and became Vlad Tepes aka dracula so Lisa would be the only woman that mathias when he became dracula ever loved.

[Mathias Hyperion]

In Reply To #11

Well that's just maddeningly unhelpful.

[DragonSlayr81]

Actually, I believe that's not that far from what IGA was aiming for. Mathias is dead. He started his "new existance" as Dracula, hence the egg scene in LoI. It shows his rebirth into a new person. Not much complicated, but more something people just don't want to swallow.

[Mathias Hyperion]

Did we reach a conclusion last time we did this? I think something resembling reincarnation was one theory, and Mathias being Matthias Corvinus and then taking Vlad's place was another.

[Mathias Hyperion]

In Reply To #11

That makes Symphony's manual even more wrong. If Dracula was "born" in 1094, and Symphony is set in 1797, it would seem much more logical to say that Dracula was estimated to be 700 years old at the time.