Topic: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline

[pimp dracula]

About the idea on returning of Sonia Belmont on the storyline, here's mine:

- She should exist in the era of Shanoa, Reinhart, or the Baldwins (different universe though)
- Female Belmont as a transition to other family (the Morris, Scheneider, etc.)

That would make sense since you can't retain your family name if you get married to someone as a girl.

[X]

About the idea on returning of Sonia Belmont on the storyline, here's mine:

- She should exist in the era of Shanoa, Reinhart, or the Baldwins (different universe though)
- Female Belmont as a transition to other family (the Morris, Scheneider, etc.)

She could also be in the era in between LoI and CV III. There's roughly 400 years to fill there. And she could be pitted up against other worldly threats that are just as dangerous as Dracula.

That would make sense since you can't retain your family name if you get married to someone as a girl.

There are ways around this problem. Sonia could have a lovechild from some unknown individual who could've left out of the blue, been killed, etc. But to call Sonia Belmont anything else...it just wouldn't be her. besides the whole thing about women taking the man's last name is just another fascist of male dominance and Sonia's much stronger willed then that.

[pimp dracula]

I'm not questioning her will as a character. I always see her as a one tough nasty chick.

Your idea is not bad either.

[Flame]

just another fascist of male dominance and Sonia's much stronger willed then that.

Tell that to the pre-20th century world.

While the Belmonts themselves might be different due to what they do, and therefore somewhat disconnected from social norms, A Woman was still a Woman, and if she were to marry, she would lose her name and whatever rights she had, to her husband. pretty sure it would be tough for ol daddy Belmont to find a Husband willing to let Sonia be empowered and free willed and retain her surname.

Not to mention im pretty sure the Male heir would get the whip over the Female heir. Interesting plot would be if the designated male heir was kidnapped by Dracula or something, and therefore Sonia sets out to find him, since their father is either too old, or tries himself and fails.

Whenever there is talk of reintroducing Sonia, one has to take into account that as a Woman in the pre-modern world, (before the 20th century) ESPECIALLY if you retain her in the 15th century, or put her in one of the more popular ones like 18th and 19th- you have to deal with how Women are treated and how their societal norms are. Granted, Castlevania doesnt have the best track record with historical accuracy... (Maria Renard wearing an outfit in Symphony which would get her called a slut in real life,) but for the Belmonts, if you want to keep the family name, you have to find some way to work around the fact that a married woman lost her name.

[DragonSlayr81]

Not to mention im pretty sure the Male heir would get the whip over the Female heir. Interesting plot would be if the designated male heir was kidnapped by Dracula or something, and therefore Sonia sets out to find him, since their father is either too old, or tries himself and fails.

Interestingly enough, that's similar to the idea I mentioned. Sonia being born the elder, and her brother being younger, but him being chosen because he was the male heir to the Vampire Killer, but something happens, and he's unable to wield it. Without a hero to rise to the occassion and knowing her little brother's too young to be burdened with such a task, Sonia takes up the VK and sets off to battle the evil. I think something of the such sounds awesome(Sonia as a maverick, defying her elders and taking the VK because "SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT".

I do agree, back in the old days, continuing the family name was everything. The reason why sons were valued over daughters were because of the hard work they could put in around the house/land and the survival of a family's name. It's sad, true, sexist, of course, but it's reality. And while I want Sonia to be a strong woman, I wouldn't want a feminist agenda attached her. Any sorts of agendas like such should be absent from these games.

I do prefer the idea of her being the precussor to another related family(the Morris clan, in particular, because of their importance). Just because she wouldn't continue on the line of main Belmonts doesn't diminish her importances(in my eyes), and people generally downplay the the importance of the Morris clan(and the other related families) because they don't have the Belmont surname.

[Flame]

Morrises are Belmonts not named Belmonts, IMO. Before PoR, they were just as good. Then PoR came up with the stupid whip thing. (Man PoR really just about failed on so many fronts didnt it?)

Sonia leading to the Morris Clan sounds pretty neat actually.

[Lucius J. Belmont]

Vampires, werewolves, zombies with guns, a castle that behaves like a TARDIS as far as internal consistency goes, summoning feng shui magic animals, cream pies that deal holy damage, motorcycle-riding skeletons--totally legit.

A lady (who has supernatural powers already, a good start in being 'different') shirking a social norm--strains belief.

Not that I'm not for historical accuracy in things where it really matters, like I don't want to be watching Little House on the Prairie and then Elvis shows up on a jet-ski but...really now. If you wanna be that way, do it and boldly, but don't blame it on historical accuracy in a game where Richter Belmont the vaguely European vampire hunter is dressed as an anime martial artist. If the non-fictional Ching Shih can get the entirety of the Chinese government by the shorthairs, after taking control of and vastly improving a pirate fleet, having started out /as a prostitute/, I feel like a lady can be a Belmont with people still being on her side over Dracula's, in a work of not even remotely realistic fiction.

As to her name having to stay 'Belmont'...can't she just fight vampires before marriage? I guess I'm not seeing the issue.

They wanted Sonia and Victor to co-star, right? Get rid of more time travel BS, make Victor the reluctant good-for-nothing brother whose duty Sonia assumes, then he makes a turn-around after being completely shown up by his sister, when things are looking dire. I'd play it.

[darkwzrd4]

Or, Sonia could be a descendent of Julius who fights the next Dark Lord (who may or may not be Soma).  It's possible that after the events of DoS, he falls in love with a younger woman and they have a daughter they name Sonia and Julius trains her the best he can so that the bloodline and family legacy continues after him.  Plus, in modern times (and probably the future) women don't always give up their last name and take their husbands.  That being said, things were centered around men in the past.  In the modern age, men and women are essentially equals.

These are just my thoughts.

[Fofa]

Tell that to the pre-20th century world.

While the Belmonts themselves might be different due to what they do, and therefore somewhat disconnected from social norms, A Woman was still a Woman, and if she were to marry, she would lose her name and whatever rights she had, to her husband. pretty sure it would be tough for ol daddy Belmont to find a Husband willing to let Sonia be empowered and free willed and retain her surname.

Not to mention im pretty sure the Male heir would get the whip over the Female heir. Interesting plot would be if the designated male heir was kidnapped by Dracula or something, and therefore Sonia sets out to find him, since their father is either too old, or tries himself and fails.

Whenever there is talk of reintroducing Sonia, one has to take into account that as a Woman in the pre-modern world, (before the 20th century) ESPECIALLY if you retain her in the 15th century, or put her in one of the more popular ones like 18th and 19th- you have to deal with how Women are treated and how their societal norms are. Granted, Castlevania doesnt have the best track record with historical accuracy... (Maria Renard wearing an outfit in Symphony which would get her called a slut in real life,) but for the Belmonts, if you want to keep the family name, you have to find some way to work around the fact that a married woman lost her name.

That precisely is why I didn't mind Legends being removed from the main canon. Sure, you can have a few exceptions here and there, but go too far with it and you ruin the viewer's suspension of disbelief.

[Flame]

As to her name having to stay 'Belmont'...can't she just fight vampires before marriage? I guess I'm not seeing the issue.

Her descendants would lose the surname Belmont

[pimp dracula]

I played CVIII and this idea came to my head:

"Why the hell did the European people feared the Belmonts? Aren't they the ones who save their asses?"

If we consider the CV:Legends to be a canon (which no longer is), then the reason is Sonia Belmont. But that was no longer the case.

Hell, I just laughed after I finished the LoI with Leon telling Mathias that "The Belmont Clan will hunt you down." How the hell will he do that when he just killed his own fiance with his own hands? Jerk it off and instantly produce a new Belmont?

A game where his descendant would probably explain it similar to MoF.

[Flame]

Really? You cant make your own conclusions there?

He eventually married another woman, and continued the bloodline. Each generation was trained as a Vampire Hunter, and eventually relocated to Romania, probably tracking down Mathias. As they did their shit, the people of Wallachia began to fear their incredible almost supernatural powers, and therefore exiled them. Until the events of CV3 where they had to suck it up and search for the current member of the Belmont family to fight Dracula.

[Reinhart77]

i'll bring back an earlier theory of mine that Sonia was the last Belmont.  the entire clan was wiped except for her.  she got to keep the last name as a result (to prevent it from going extinct, as is sometimes the custom in some cultures) and also was the true heir to the whip.

this theory was inspired by the Dracula's Curse animation that never went anywhere, in which Trevor is described as the Last Belmont.

[pimp dracula]

Really? You cant make your own conclusions there?

He eventually married another woman, and continued the bloodline. Each generation was trained as a Vampire Hunter, and eventually relocated to Romania, probably tracking down Mathias. As they did their shit, the people of Wallachia began to fear their incredible almost supernatural powers, and therefore exiled them. Until the events of CV3 where they had to suck it up and search for the current member of the Belmont family to fight Dracula.

Nah. I'm just being sarcastic. I just find it funny that he declare himself alone as a clan when he haven't even find Sara's replacement. Counting chickens before they hatched as some say. As I asked earlier, why did the people of Wallachia feared them? Who did they fought that people saw their tremendous power?

[X]

As I asked earlier, why did the people of Wallachia feared them? Who did they fought that people saw their tremendous power?

The populous during the medieval times were ripe with fear and superstition. Anyone with even remotely a shred of magic was considered a heretic and ousted by the people and the authorities. The uneducated masses were all taught by the church that magic is a thing of the Devil and anyone who had magical abilities were a threat to be wiped out.