Topic: I was bored, so I made this timeline.

[Sumac]

For example, do you know about that Gamecenter CX interview with IGA where he states the X in the Japanese title for Sypmphony of the Night means gaiden (spin-off)? There is a theory (not mine) that the extra X in the title of Dracula XX for the SNES means gaiden too. So the title would be read as "Dracula X gaiden".     

Gaiden of a gaiden? Oh my...

About marketing stuff I meant that, when all of thiese remakes were created no-one thought how they will fit timeline. They were being created because Konami thought it would be a good idea to make SNES and Sharp games remakes - there were no BIG idea behind it. And attempting to make sense of it is kind of useless. It always come a bit as farfetched.

[Nagumo]

I only said the extra X could mean gaiden. The X from Rondo of Blood means "10".

I understand that they there didn't really care back then but that doesn't mean the original intent wasn't for them to be gaiden. Back when Bloodlines was still not in continuity with the rest of the series (before the timeline was made) they also just said briefly "this game is a gaiden", and that was that. They were not "trying to make sense" out of anything because it was always meant to be that way. It might be the case with the "remakes" too.   

[Sumac]

It might be the case with the "remakes" too.   

Allrighty then. 
Though, I still uphold to believe that trying to explain how remakes fit the timeline is kind of bad idea.

[Sumac]

Gee...another minus? Some idiot certainly have a boner for me. What with chasing me around the whole forum?
But, oh, well everyone must have their hobbies, even if they are completely stupid and idiotic...

[X]

Though, I still uphold to believe that trying to explain how remakes fit the timeline is kind of bad idea.

I agree. It really isn't necessary. For instance all the remakes of the original Castlevania. In my humble opinion everyone has their most favorite Simon-based game. It's much easier just to leave it up to them to decide which version of Castlevania is the one that's canon rather then IGA try and squeeze them all into some form of order, which ended up being more convoluted in the end. Let us fans decide for ourselves.

[Nagumo]

All of Simon's games are canon in a way. That seems like the ideal solution to me since one would not have to choose and invalidate the others as a result.     

[Sumac]

All of Simon's games are canon in a way.

And each have different timeline...that create a mess of timelines.
It's like some guy from Capcom who said, maybe a decade ago, that every Street Fighter game happens in its own world (i.e. SFA2 in its own world, SFA3 - in another, e.t.c.).
I mean, it creates problems where there should be none. Not a big issue, but rather a material for possible confusion.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Sumac,

No matter what your personal view of what is or isn't useless, it is not uncommon for the human mind to try to weave a web of meaning where there may be none.
Thus, it is human nature to try and make sense of this, or organize it.

I actually had a comprehensive multi-span timeline that worked every game (except the Pachislot and DraculaKun ones) into a timeline, including all four versions of Castlevania (CV, VK, HC, CV4), though I personally believe that "Chronicles" (X68000) really is just CV1, but that's personal.
EDIT: Then my drive died and I lost it.  That was a while back.  And then "The Arcade", "Lords of Shadow" and "Harmony of Despair" came out and I stopped bothering, haha.

I think your constant condescending tone is what's giving you the minuses.  If you don't like 'em, try to post things that aren't constantly berating others.
Oh, and don't tell me you don't care, 'cuz it's obvious you do otherwise you'd just take the minuses in stride.  The fact that you're posting about it means it irks you.  So the terrorists are winning.

[Nagumo]

That's very interesting, Horge. How did you your timeline go?

And each have different timeline...that create a mess of timelines.

That depends on how the concept is executed. They managed to pull it off properly with the Zelda timeline.

[Sumac]

No matter what your personal view of what is or isn't useless, it is not uncommon for the human mind to try to weave a web of meaning where there may be none.

Human mind could have something more usefull to do rather than trying to make sense of something that never was supposed to be made sense of. Besides, I believe, I never used offensive or condescending tone in this particular discussion, so your really condescending tone is unjustified in this case.

That depends on how the concept is executed. They managed to pull it off properly with the Zelda timeline.

As far as I know Zelda have something like 3,5 timelines or something like that, not 10+ timelines for every single remake.

I think your constant condescending tone is what's giving you the minuses.  If you don't like 'em, try to post things that aren't constantly berating others.
Oh, and don't tell me you don't care, 'cuz it's obvious you do otherwise you'd just take the minuses in stride.  The fact that you're posting about it means it irks you.  So the terrorists are winning.

Oh, yeah, because given a critical opinion is deserved to be punished. Ha-ha. How openminded.
And you think its normal that some retard give minuses to the posts where I am not even commenting on anything like here or here, for example?
I am OK, with justified critic (and not against "justified minuses"), when I said something, that some people could find offensive (though more often than not I see obssessed people getting pissed of because not everyone lick their feet and praise their favorite games and by the way I'm not aloine in this opinion, there are much more people who pissed of with those users, though they don't tell it outright). However, I am not OK, with some fantard getting a stupid campain against everything that I write. I believe such behavior should be punished or at least person who in charge of this stupidity should be warned. Its stupid vandalism in its glory.

I did such think in the past once, but as you know I stopped and since then NEVER gave anyone ever single minus. You have prove of it. Besides, I behaved in more good fashion in the past few weeks, so I see this constant minusing as really out-of-nowhere. As someone who cares about order, as you noted before, I think, you shouldn't let random users going around chasing others. But, its all up to you. We all have our reasons and politics, though I have pretty good idea about politics in Castlevania fandom in general.

[Nagumo]

As far as I know Zelda have something like 3,5 timelines or something like that, not 10+ timelines for every single remake.

That's assuming each retelling (not just the ones with Simon) gets its own timeline, in which case you would get 5 extra timelines. However, like I said, it depends on the execution of the idea. You could easily condense the total amount of timelines to 4, and in case you don't want to shoehorn in some games, you could create another timeline just for those, which would amount to 5. That's either 1 or 2 more timelines than Zelda has currently.     

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Human mind could have something more usefull to do rather than trying to make sense of something that never was supposed to be made sense of. Besides, I believe, I never used offensive or condescending tone in this particular discussion, so your really condescending tone is unjustified in this case.

I do not think that we are at the best place to tell people what's useful and what isn't, since this is a videogame forum.  Anyone outside could arguably tell you that you're wasting your life here and could be 'doing something more useful'.  The fact that you take it upon yourself to tell people what is or isn't, or that they could be doing something better with their time only further proves that your posts have an air of condescending attitude towards them.

No one likes to be told something they're passionate about is a waste of time.

@Nagumo,

The timeline was created before Lords of Shadow, when that game was a twinkle in Cox's eye.  Although it worked well, I had to change some of the dates around (by just a few years, nothing too major... it was usually stuff around Legends' time).

I don't remember a lot of the details, mostly 'cuz I was really mad when I lost the file, but essentially, there was an IGA-like timeline (which uses CV1/Chronicles, Simon's Quest, Harmony, Rondo, etc.), while there were two other timelines (one used Order of Shadows, Haunted Castle, Circle of the Moon, and Castlevania 64).

The lynchpin that changed timelines around was:
-Judgement with Aeon
-CoD with Germaine (who is in an organization started by Aeon)
-Time Travelling anomalies and the 'erasing' of Sonia from Time (like Marle from Chrono Trigger), creating another dimension where she doesn't exist.  Victor Belmont restored this dimension, but whenever one makes a choice, a new universe is born.

I think I had a limit of three timelines, mostly to accomodate CV1/VK/X68000; Haunted Castle; and CV4.

[Nagumo]

Yeah, I was thinking whatever caused these seperate timelines would be due to time travel, though I'm not sure what. I'd like to think the Pachislot timeline is the one that Germaine was trying to prevent from happening. Is that timeline, Hector becomes Dracula's vessel instead of Isaac and Trevor has to stop him. From what I can tell, that theory seems more or less supported by the developer's blog. Not sure how the other timelines came into existence, though. 

Germaine does mention he is there because there is something wrong with the flow of time, though he doesn't explain why and who is responsible. If I had to come with an explanation for these alternate timelines, I would say it has something to do with these "errors" in time, and that alternate timelines are created as a result of them, as a means for time to "correct" itself.                 

[Sumac]

Yeah, I was thinking whatever caused these seperate timelines would be due to time travel

I pretty much had the same idea, though in more...destructive way, so to speak.
My idea was that there is one single timeline, that was once completely destroyed and then altered multiple times due to the ill will of some higher force (not Galamoth). Sent-Germaine and Aeon helped to restore timeline from scraps, thus causing some of the events to be "off timeline".

The fact that you take it upon yourself to tell people what is or isn't, or that they could be doing something better with their time only further proves that your posts have an air of condescending attitude towards them.

It was a general statement not aimed at anyone in particular. No need to get it close to a heart like that. Besides, you didn't answered my statements...not that it was surprising.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I don't know how to answer statements.  I answer questions, not statements.

And you just did it again.  Every other thing that you post has some sort of 'barb' somewhere. "...not that it was surprising".
The fact that you hide under such passive-aggressive measures is disconcerting.

I just explained to you that that attitude is why you have people following you around giving you minuses.
I'm not saying I agree with what they're doing, but I understand.  It's not the most mature thing to do but then again neither is hiding under the veil of 'it's just a general statement' or whatever other backhanded thing that comes out of your keyboard.

There's a difference between 'having a critical opinion', and 'being an ass', that difference being that one of those is actually frowned upon here heavily (it's in the rules).  The fact that you don't get it through your head that you have to follow some basic level of diplomacy with your posts shows me that either you don't care about the rules here, or that you're a numbskull.

And I don't think you're a numbskull, so I will once appeal to your intelligence and tell you to play ball.

You're allowed to be critical... even bordering on critcal cynical, but once you start being an ass, I have to tell you to dial it back, and if you cannot do that, then do feel free to migrate to many of the established boards where going around slyly insulting the fanbase is allowed and applauded.

I don't want to have to tell you again.