Topic: NOW Devil May Cry is screwed. Maybe.

[Johnny Alucard]

This are gonna get cuh-raaaaay-zeeee

New Dante doesn't get CHURAZZZYYYYYY.  He gets SSSensational!

DmC 10/10 GAMEPLAY

[Phoenix7786]

It'll just be based off the new DmC since that's what they want to sell. Guaranteeing it will be a bad film.

Why DmC's Dante is a Bad Character

I wonder if that's the company giving the finger to the fans.

[Johnny Alucard]

I wonder if that's the company giving the finger to the fans.

Capcom or Team Ninja? Both companies have a history of doing just that.

[Lelygax]

Capcom or Team Ninja? Both companies have a history of doing just that.

What Team Ninja did wrong?

[Kale]

What Team Ninja did wrong?

I think he's confused.

I think he means Ninja Theory.

And Team Ninja sucks now, since Itagaki left.

[Dalles]

Ninja Theory did the following wrong:
- refused to issue a soundtrack album for Heavenly Sword (despite significant consumer demand)
- cancelled Heavenly Sword II (also despite significant consumer demand)
- reinvented Devil May Cry in such a manner that most hardcore DMC fans probably consider shoving a 1:1-sized Rebellion replica up their chairman's bunghole.

There's just so much wrong about that company that I seriously think they should be removed from business altogether. Good games such as Heavenly Sword or Enslaved are days of the past, I don't think we can expect anything of this quality from them anymore. Seriously, I think they should be removed from the face of the Earth.

[Kale]

Just wanted to say... both of those games I found boring and retarded. SO I'm kind of glad they didn't go on and make a sequel. But I guess it wouldn't have mattered anyway, since the games they churn out now doesn't seem great either.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

Ninja Theory did the following wrong:
- refused to issue a soundtrack album for Heavenly Sword (despite significant consumer demand)

Considering how well Heavenly Sword sold, could you blame them? One Million copies is no longer exactly achieving great heights according to the fatcats that run the big publishers.

- cancelled Heavenly Sword II (also despite significant consumer demand)

Also due primarily to Heavenly Sword's far less than thrilling sales numbers

- reinvented Devil May Cry in such a manner that most hardcore DMC fans probably consider shoving a 1:1-sized Rebellion replica up their chairman's bunghole.

In other words, doing EXACTLY WHAT CAPCOM PAID THEM TO DO. They [Ninja Theory] wanted to make a straight sequel or prequel, and Capcom kept telling them to make it "more different", until Ninja Theory caved to fans and finally started trying to make new Dante more similar to old DMC (the way he moves, his general voice and attitude, modelling Limbo City after the briefly seen city from Devil May Cry 3, including Vergil, Mundus, Sparda and Eva as Dante's parents, etc.) in such a way that doesn't get them fired by Capcom.

Ninja Theory is in an impossible position; they're between the crushing force of Capcom's glacier of eternal ignorance if they fail to deliver the product Capcom paid for, and the scorching river of lava of angry fans who just want their Devil May Cry the way they like it.

In the most recent builds of the game, they've tried to compromise as far as their contract enables them to. Even Hideaki Itsuno (guy behind DMC3) has told fans not to worry. It's still going to irritate people, but Ninja Theory is opting for a one time burn by fans, rather than risking a glacier permanently moving over and sealing a reliable well of future projects and contracts called Capcom.

If this goes well for Ninja Theory, they'll have money to put out more pet projects like Enslaved and Heavenly Sword, but right now they're stuck delivering what the client, not the fans, want (and trying to make it as palateable as they can).

Ninja Theory is taking all the crap for Capcom's shitty ass decisions, and that's not cool. They're just trying to do their jobs, and reaping consequences that should rightfully be aimed at their employers.

In any case, I preordered the game in good faith.

EDIT: I have been informed that Ninja Theory doesn't actually own any of the rights to Heavenly Sword; it belongs pretty much in it's entirety to Sony Computer Entertainment. You want a sequel or a soundtrack? Go talk to them.

[Munchy]

What Team Ninja did wrong?

Actually, if you ask some Ninja Gaiden fans, Ninja Gaiden 3. I haven't played it, but according to most reviews it's ridiculously dumbed down, there are no new weapons outside of multiplayer, they added QTEs, took away the limb removal system of NG2, made enemies beg Ryu for their lives (despite being soldiers in a fucking death squad, for crying out loud), and commits all sorts of heresy that almost makes some of Capcom's decisions regarding DmC look smart.

Supposedly the WiiU version will rectify a lot of these complaints, but how much is another question.

[Lelygax]

I only played the classic trilogy and some minutes of the arcade one, so I never have seen the 3D ones, thanks for explaining it.

[Johnny Alucard]

I think he's confused.

I think he means Ninja Theory.

And Team Ninja sucks now, since Itagaki left.

Yeah, Ninja Theory was who I meant. But Team Ninja DID make Other M...

[Lelygax]

Yeah, Ninja Theory was who I meant. But Team Ninja DID make Other M...

The history of Other M is the problem, not the gameplay, and they worked in the gameplay part.

[Kale]

Yeah, Ninja Theory was who I meant. But Team Ninja DID make Other M...

Which is after Itagaki left.

Not saying he would've done better, esp. if the reason behind it is the story. Itagaki's not the best with story.

[Lelygax]

The thing that they lost is "simplicity", if they did simple histories like before they could kickass, be more simple to do and open more chances to a sequel. They did it with NES Ninja Gaidens and they are cool.

[DragonSlayr81]

The thing that they lost is "simplicity", if they did simple histories like before they could kickass, be more simple to do and open more chances to a sequel. They did it with NES Ninja Gaidens and they are cool.

A lot of simplicity in games are gone, because a lot of gamers think that complexity is better than simplicity, even if it's complexity for the sake of complexity. The problem is that not everybody has the skills to write complex stories. There's no shame in simplicity. No shame at all. If it works, it works, and that's all that matters, not whether something is complex or simple.