Topic: the Lament of Innocence origin story.....

[Flame]

I will certainly be hated by all.. but i find the LOS Plot nice !

LoI*

[GuyStarwind]

I will certainly be hated by all.. but i find the LOS Plot nice !


Just for this Line

You have become a cursed being and I will never forgive you. This whip and my kinsmen will destroy you someday. From this day on, the Belmont Clan will hunt the night.

I assume your talking about LoI and not LoS. If so you're not hated by me. I love the plot of LoI sure it could be improved a bit but what plot couldn't

[Richter Belmondo]

I assume your talking about LoI and not LoS. If so you're not hated by me. I love the plot of LoI sure it could be improved a bit but what plot couldn't

    yep,  talking à bout lament of innocense. Just getting confused with all the news LOS.  I Agree with you, They were many others elements to tell in the story

[TheCruelAngel]

Yeah, I'd wager you'd be closer to being "hated by all" for enjoying the story in LoS instead. 

Though all would never be possible since I can't imagine hating someone because they enjoyed the story in a game that I didn't enjoy, and I'm sure there are others around who feel the same way. Though I'm sure there are other characters around here who have you believe otherwise.   

[Richter Belmondo]

Yeah, I'd wager you'd be closer to being "hated by all" for enjoying the story in LoS instead. 

Though all would never be possible since I can't imagine hating someone because they enjoyed the story in a game that I didn't enjoy, and I'm sure there are others around who feel the same way. Though I'm sure there are other characters around here who have you believe otherwise.   

To be quick ,
i like the main story , with mathias etc... But Leon's design is not very good , the story take place in the middle age , and Leon is perfectly shaved with a sort of hair spray on the head.. no matter
I still prefer the old simon design , much more appropriate

[Mobius]

Well, the look of some of the characters notwithstanding, the story itself worked. I was pleasantly surprised by where the plot went, and I really liked how the Vampire Killer was brought into creation. However, the big reveal at the end lacked the proper effect for me. To really sell the betrayal and ultimate tragedy of Leon, Mathias needed to be more involved in the plot. Seriously, over the course of the game I kind of forgot about him. Then he shows up at the end and he's like, "Oh hey Leon." And I'm like, "Oh, hey comrade mentioned in the intro. I was wondering when you actually were going to do something." That definitely made it a tad anticlimactic for me. Overall, the story wasn't bad. It just wasn't presented in the best way it could have been. In all honesty the presentation felt pretty lackluster to me.

[darkwzrd4]

Well, the look of some of the characters notwithstanding, the story itself worked. I was pleasantly surprised by where the plot went, and I really liked how the Vampire Killer was brought into creation. However, the big reveal at the end lacked the proper effect for me. To really sell the betrayal and ultimate tragedy of Leon, Mathias needed to be more involved in the plot. Seriously, over the course of the game I kind of forgot about him. Then he shows up at the end and he's like, "Oh hey Leon." And I'm like, "Oh, hey comrade mentioned in the intro. I was wondering when you actually were going to do something." That definitely made it a tad anticlimactic for me. Overall, the story wasn't bad. It just wasn't presented in the best way it could have been. In all honesty the presentation felt pretty lackluster to me.

Yeah, the idea was good, but the execution sucked. 


My thoughts of how it could have been done better:  They could have had both Mathias and Leon go to Walter's castle together to save Sara.  They would meet Rinaldo and Leon would receive the whip of alchemy.  Mathias would have brought his own specially made alchemy weapon with him.  Once inside the castle, Leon and Mathias would split up only to cross paths every so often at which point they would inform each other of what they've encountered.  In the end, Leon would have to sacrifice Sara to turn the whip of alchemy into the vampire killer.  Mathias would have disappeared by now or faked his death leaving Leon alone.  Once Leon defeats Walter, Mathias walks in and Death gives him Walter's soul.  At which point, Mathias reveals that he was behind everything blah blah blah.....The rest would be the same as the game we know.

What do you think?

[Grimlock78]

That scenario sounds somewhat like Harmony of dissonance but without Maxim being the ACTUAL enemy..just saying

[Mobius]

Agreed. Igarashi-sama wouldn't have let the plot veer so close to Harmony's setup. However, I personally think it's a better scenario than what we got. In fact, it would really have delivered a payoff with much more resonance if you witnessed Mathias "killed" or giving up his life for you or possibly covering your flank during the final race to the final confrontation. Leon would then have had his friend's death on his conscience at that point, only to discover Mathias had been the mastermind behind everything. THEN it would have been a betrayal with some pathos. However, I feel that if that had been the case it would just have left me really dissatisfied that there was no physical battle with Mathias at the end knowing a sequel was never in the works.

[Grimlock78]

Understood.

[Richter Belmondo]

Agreed. Igarashi-sama wouldn't have let the plot veer so close to Harmony's setup. However, I personally think it's a better scenario than what we got. In fact, it would really have delivered a payoff with much more resonance if you witnessed Mathias "killed" or giving up his life for you or possibly covering your flank during the final race to the final confrontation. Leon would then have had his friend's death on his conscience at that point, only to discover Mathias had been the mastermind behind everything. THEN it would have been a betrayal with some pathos. However, I feel that if that had been the case it would just have left me really dissatisfied that there was no physical battle with Mathias at the end knowing a sequel was never in the works.

Exactly ! 

[Lelygax]

Im back!!!! Nippah~

This sugestions are much more interesting than what they did, what is sad.

[Sumac]

My idea, for LOI improvement, is that they could have presented events from the past of Mathias and Leon in the form of flashbacks.

[Richter Belmondo]

My idea, for LOI improvement, is that they could have presented events from the past of Mathias and Leon in the form of flashbacks.

AND a preview of Trevor's Battle !

[TheCruelAngel]

Another thing about LoI that bugged me (thinking back to parts I actually played) is Joachim. Here was this random vampire I found in a basement or whatever, who got sweet Kojima art, a playable scenario, but no real back story or anything given.

I guess there was some in depth info provided on Konami's JP site (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Joachim_Armster) but this was never covered in the game. He just kind of went on a tirade, then started attacking me. I felt there could have been more development for this character in particular. But that could just because I liked his design and form of attacks (I had a D&D character who was similar to him too!).

AND a preview of Trevor's Battle !

Kind of like the glimpse of the future that Bardok saw of Goku facing Freeza?