Author Topic: None Shall Stand Against Him (Read 37968 times)

darkwzrd4 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 29, 2012, 09:33:12 PM »

Quote from: Nagumo on November 29, 2012, 06:27:49 PM

The first edition of the offical timeline mentioned the game. It's the timeline made by IGA during the development of Symphony of the Night. They decided to put Legends on there too but without IGA's consent apperently.

At the end of the timeline it says:

11797 - Kid Dracula awakes

Let's keep in mind that things change and because of IGA's development style (gameplay first, then shoe-horn the story in somehow) as well as the fact that there have been different people in charge of CV over the course of the 25+ years (each with their own ideas as to where the series should go next) there is no real consistency in the overall storyline. Plus, let's not forget that the games don't come out in any particular order. In essence, by adding games at what seems like random places on the timeline, the timeline begins to contradict itself. Plus, there is also the fact that games are sometimes removed from the timeline like Legends.
But, that is neither here nor there. LoS is a completely new timeline that has nothing to do with the one started 25+ years ago. This timeline is suppose to be 3 games long. We've only had one released and the next two (MoF and LoS2) are coming out in the next year or so. All we can do is wait and see. We can't really fully analyze this timeline without the other 2 games.

A-Yty · « **Reply #31 on:** November 30, 2012, 02:15:58 AM »

Quote from: Sumac on November 29, 2012, 05:56:10 PM

The problem is, it was never stated, that KD and Castlevania'verse are connected to each other.

No, it isn't if one isn't claiming that Galamoth is exactly what he was in KD. His description in SotN, his most notable appearance in the main timeline, however, suggests he is pretty much the same way in both; wants to take over the underworld / wants Dracula's position. And in Judgment he is certainly big and bad enough to make a move against Dracula.

He exists or has existed in both universes, even if they are separated from each other.

Sumac · « **Reply #32 on:** November 30, 2012, 04:17:39 PM »

Interesting find, this old timeline. However, there were a lot of changes since CVL, so I wouldn't accept as prove of KD being part of CV universe.

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He exists or has existed in both universes, even if they are separated from each other.

I never denied that.
This situation is pretty much like in different TMNT universes. You know, that the Shreder is a big bad in one universe, so he will be the big bad in another version. However, it doesn't mean that those two versions connected to each other. Same with Galamoth.

A-Yty · « **Reply #33 on:** November 30, 2012, 04:22:51 PM »

Depends on what you mean "connected to each other". He's a netherworld upstart and an enemy of Dracula in both. I haven't played KD, so I can't tell where the actual differences begin (other than being cute and cuddly in KD).

Nagumo · « **Reply #34 on:** November 30, 2012, 04:58:44 PM »

His description from SotN is essentially one big shout out to Kid Dracula. I believe it says he tries to take over the netherworld, right? Well, in the Japanese version "netherworld" is "makai", which means "world of demons". The Kid Dracula games also take place in the demon world. So basically SotN directly acknowledges that Kid Dracula's world exists.

Flame · « **Reply #35 on:** November 30, 2012, 05:06:23 PM »

Or, it could just be a nod to the game, since he's in there.

Nagumo · « **Reply #36 on:** November 30, 2012, 05:17:20 PM »

Considering IGA put the game on the timeline that he made as a reference for SotN's story, I don't think it was just a nod.

A-Yty · « **Reply #37 on:** November 30, 2012, 06:37:24 PM »

Quote from: Nagumo on November 30, 2012, 05:17:20 PM

Considering IGA put the game on the timeline that he made as a reference for SotN's story, I don't think it was just a nod.

Plus his soul in AoS. Plus Judgment, where he is the antagonist. Those aren't just nods to some quirky character. If they were going for that sort of thing, he would have been plushy and silly in SotN and his soul would have had some ridiculous ability.

crisis · « **Reply #38 on:** November 30, 2012, 11:18:50 PM »

All this talk of Kid Dracula gave me a hankering to play it (and also dig up my KD plushie)

Kid Dracula on GameBoy Light

SiFi270 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 01, 2012, 08:30:01 AM »

Is that the hat he wore in the "boss battle" against the Statue of Liberty?

Sumac · « **Reply #40 on:** December 01, 2012, 07:11:22 PM »

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His description from SotN is essentially one big shout out to Kid Dracula. I believe it says he tries to take over the netherworld, right? Well, in the Japanese version "netherworld" is "makai", which means "world of demons". The Kid Dracula games also take place in the demon world. So basically SotN directly acknowledges that Kid Dracula's world exists.

I wouldn't call it directly. I agree with Flame, who said, that it could be a nod.
As for timeline: given IGA's "talent" as a storywriter and his approach to the games (gameplay first, story - second) I wouldn't exclude possibility, that KD was included just on a random whim, meaning its inclusion in timeline was never properly thoughout.

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If they were going for that sort of thing, he would have been plushy and silly in SotN and his soul would have had some ridiculous ability.

And that is because of that, Galamoth inclusion and background are nods to the KD.
Nods for me are "direct or non-direct referencing to something", that is what we have in that case.

A-Yty · « **Reply #41 on:** December 01, 2012, 07:42:08 PM »

what

He isn't plushy and cuddly in SotN.
He is the exact opposite of that.
How. does. that. make. it. an even clearer reference?
Does the fact alone that he appeared in KD make all his later appearances nods to KD? Is he doomed to be a nodder?
Is the time reaper too destined to be a nod to Witchi Wench?

I feel sorry for those guys then. No matter how many eras they try to destroy, they'll always be references to a parody game.

What is this conversation even about anymore? Is this just about clarifying how you interpret words like "nod" and "reference"?

*Clears throat*

Galamoth is an electric dinosaur thing that originally appeared in Kid Dracula looking as cute as everything else in that game. After that, he has also been a kickass, menacing boss in Castlevania and an antagonist of everyone, including Dracula. I guess he's the embodiment of a gritty reboot.

That's all I have to say, about that

sannyclause · « **Reply #42 on:** December 03, 2012, 01:49:36 AM »

Quote from: X on November 23, 2012, 04:14:53 PM

But in the CV universe, Dracula is the embodiment of all that is evil. Satan should not have been in there in the first place. But I guess they "needed" something different for LoS but i don't think they tried hard enough. Personally however instead of Satan (the Devil) I would've used one of the 'Old Ones' from the H. P. Lovecraft stories. Now those guys are way more bad@$$ then the Devil can ever be, and by far more of a significant threat to Dracula.

HO HO HO who are the old ones if u dont mind me asking