Topic: Unconfirmed MoF/LOS2 rumors from a alleged beta tester (spoiler's abound)

[GuyStarwind]

HO HO HO so people think upon the conclusion of LoS2 the Dragon will be redeemed? that's poppycock!

I don't like the idea of Dracula being forgiven of his sins "you defeated Satan, all is OK now u can come to Heaven," like some new-age Darth Vader figure. Seeing the LoS saga as the "rise, fall and redemption of Gabriel SkywalkerBelmont," an "epic tragedy" leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The "sympathetic war-hero-turned badass" schtick has been used sooo many times in multiple games, I really hope they don't make it happen yet again

Just have Dracula be forever killed in a spectacular & gruesome manner & be done with it. I don't wanna see him revert to his good side the last 5 minutes as Marie's ghost appears by his side. Bleh. That'll be so fucking cheesy and not in a good way. But who am I kidding, that's prolly how it's gonna happen 

::awaits impending posts like IN CLASSIC CANON DRACULA WAS REDEEMED THRU SOMA SO WHY CAN'T DRACUL BE REDEEMED or DRACULA WAS SEMI-REDEEMED IN FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA DRACULA WHY CAN'T DRACUL DO THE SAME::

I always thought they should have used the Julius ending as the canon ending.

[Ahasverus]

I always thought they should have used the Julius ending as the canon ending.

Yep, it is in my mind. And Dawn of Sorrow never existed, and if it did, the real game wa the Julius game with julius ending.

[Flame]

Dawn's bad end simply causes the cycle to start all over again. Then again, im sure many here wouldn't mind Castlevania going on far into the future.

I thought it ended just fine with Dracula being ended once and for all, reincarnated as a Human again, to live his life out with his current loved one.

[Sumac]

I thought it ended just fine with Dracula being ended once and for all, reincarnated as a Human again, to live his life out with his current loved one.

Besides, Alucard hinted that there is always possibility of another Dark Lord. Dracula was holding this position for almost millenium, but that doesn't mean, that he always should be the Dark Lord.

[Claimh Solais]

I thought Aria of Sorrow was the perfect ending to the series, Soma being Mathias' second chance at human life. Dawn of Sorrow went and continued that portion of the series and in the end made Soma and friends overstay their welcome.

There's no need for me to see the 1999 Demon Castle War, and it's definitely not the "closure the timeline needs" since I thought that's what Aria was. I like the DCW as a legend like it currently is, and I know that if Konami ever made a game for it, it would fall below expectation.

I'm excited to see MS' take on the final destruction of Dracula. If it does end with Gabe redeeming himself in the end, I hope it's a powerful scene.

[DragonSlayr81]

Yep, it is in my mind. And Dawn of Sorrow never existed, and if it did, the real game wa the Julius game with julius ending.

I still think it would've been interesting if Aria was the beginning and end of the Soma story, and DoS(or, considering my idea, could've been called something else entirely) should've been a full game based on the novel follow-up with Julius training his successor, Curtis Lang, the appearance of Michelle Danasty and Olrox(Orlock) seeking to take the mantle of Dracula and become the new "Dark Lord"(as well as taking hold over Graham Jone's ex-cultists). Leave Soma and co. behind, let Drac rest in peace and continue on with a new main vampire villain. It would also be an interesting nod to Nosferatu being the unofficial Dracula.

[crisis]

HOHOHO I keep reading people say "1999 will never live up to expectations," well what exactly are people expecting? Some AAA Game of the Year title, for it to be 100x better than Symphony with controls like SCIV & extreme difficulty like CVIII? Or the ultimate 3D experience with DMC3-like stage design & top-notch fluid controls with little to no glitches? Or a game only WayForward can do? Some people will never be satisfied unless they release another 2D CV on a home console [that's not downloadable].

I know what to expect from IGA/Konami by now, and imo IGA was on the right track with OoE, so perhaps by now he might have delivered an excellent 1999 game (it may not have been an instant classic like Symphony or CVIII, but neither was AoS but that didn't stop me from enjoying it regardless). Unless of course you were expecting "the king of all metroivanias/2D games." Just give me a game that has good platforming (again i'm not expecting a Mario Bros-esque platformer), sharp graphics, good controls/play style/combat, slap 1999 in the story & I'm happy. That's not asking too much, yet it's all capable & has been done before (by IGA or other producers).


it seems most people want Konami to almost exceed their expectations, instead of meeting them (which isn't bad, but like i said, i know how Konami treats CV & know what to expect from them, so i'm not gonna set myself up for disappointment by putting 1999 on a high, almost unattainable pedestal ((it's a shame most people here already have)). only way they can truly disappoint me is if they make it into "Judgment 2")

[Sumac]

HOHOHO I keep reading people say "1999 will never live up to expectations," well what exactly are people expecting? Some AAA Game of the Year title, for it to be 100x better than Symphony with controls like SCIV & extreme difficulty like CVIII? Or the ultimate 3D experience with DMC3-like stage design & top-notch fluid controls with little to no glitches? Or a game only WayForward can do? Some people will never be satisfied unless they release another 2D CV on a home console [that's not downloadable].

I know what to expect from IGA/Konami by now, and imo IGA was on the right track with OoE, so perhaps by now he might have delivered an excellent 1999 game (it may not have been an instant classic like Symphony or CVIII, but neither was AoS but that didn't stop me from enjoying it regardless). Unless of course you were expecting "the king of all metroivanias/2D games.

Since it's crucial turning point in the Castlevania storyline, obviously people expecting the game based on those events to be the best Castlevania experience ever created, no matter, 2D or 3D.

I personally not sure, what I'd like to see in this game, since 2D doesn't look ambitious enough for this kind of story and 3D...I am not really sure, if they can create 3D Castlevania, that  channels "IGAvanias" spirit in the modern times. LOI was perfect for midieval times in terms of atmosphere, but DCW needs something different.

[Rugal]

Is LOS2 going to have a PC release as well?

If so, I can't wait to pirate it.

[Inccubus]

I think that the 1999 game hasn't been done because the setting is very different from the average CV game. I mean it's supposed to be in the middle of a 3rd world war, right? How would you go about setting up a CV game with that as the back drop? It certainly couldn't just be a simple 'metroidvania'. Plus the expectations for such a game, realistic or not, would be very high precisely because it has become a legendary thing among fans.
That said, I think if they took some care with it it has the potential to be a fantastic addition to the old canon. As long as they don't do it like Metroid: Other M where they set up a great setting and then ruined it with a completely convoluted story that made no sense and belittled a beloved character.

[muteKi]

Take Just Cause 2. Place it, instead of a topical island, inside much of Transylvania. Replace the grappling hook with the whip (because really now), and make it so the user can collect multiple weapons. Ideally there'd be more of a focus on melee combat, so something like DMC+JC2 is probably the sort of idea of where we want to take it.

Adapting the sort of open-world nature of something like JC2 strikes me as the best idea given the nature of the series as a whole, and the  JC2 scenario certainly means it would be well-suited to conveying a wartime scenario.

[DragonSlayr81]

Take Just Cause 2. Place it, instead of a topical island, inside much of Transylvania. Replace the grappling hook with the whip (because really now), and make it so the user can collect multiple weapons. Ideally there'd be more of a focus on melee combat, so something like DMC+JC2 is probably the sort of idea of where we want to take it.

Adapting the sort of open-world nature of something like JC2 strikes me as the best idea given the nature of the series as a whole, and the  JC2 scenario certainly means it would be well-suited to conveying a wartime scenario.

I always envisioned my DCW starting with an airplane headed to Transylvania, filled with soldiers being briefed regarding the situation, and Julius accompanying them. Talk like, "England, Japan, among other nations' forces are already there..." and soldier talk like, "A little late to the barbeque" and "THIS kid is the fuckin savior? He's just a snot nosed teenaged brat!!", jokes regarding the situation and Julius. Then, a swarm of giant bats(Phantom Bats) attack the plane, the soldiers that aren't killed start parachuting down(one notices Julius isn't following, and Julius tells him he'll be right behind him). Julius makes his way to the cockpit as a phantom bat slams head first into it(basically ripping off the top, and taking out his whip, Julius latches onto the bat and starts fucking it up. The the bat carries him away from the falling plane as other phantom bats head towards them, setting their sights on Julius, he leaps from the dying bat to another and starts wailing on them. Meanwhle, outside of a Romanian village(maybe modern Jova), where all the surviving soldiers have gathered, they see the plane go down and think the worst("Well, looks like the savior's dead. We're fucked, aren't we?!"). Then, "Incoming!!", the bodies of the giant bats fall, crashing into the surrounding forest, and last, Julius via parachute, letting it go before touching down and falling into crouching position. That's just the intro, LOL!

[Claimh Solais]

^I imagined the ending to your intro of Julius landing in the crouch from the parachute much the same way Naked Snake did so in the intro to MGS3.

Julius will stand up, toss his hair back with dramatic music, show a close-up of his face, and on the screen it will say

Julius Belmont (insert actor name here)

[X]

I've always thought that the DCW should be played on the more classic style of game play rather then going the Metridvania route. And that the opening scene along with the first few stages should be more hard, fast-paced action oriented to let the player know that they are in the middle of a full-scale war, kinda like Contra. But once inside the confides of Castlevania then the game can slow down a notch and take it's time. And if it had to be done in 3D then do it in the style of CV64/LoD except without the exploration and puzzles. In essence like the cancelled Dreamcast CV game was to be like.

Nice intro DragonSlayr81! But was Julius a teen in 1999 or a young man?

[DragonSlayr81]

I've always thought that the DCW should be played on the more classic style of game play rather then going the Metridvania route. And that the opening scene along with the first few stages should be more hard, fast-paced action oriented to let the player know that they are in the middle of a full-scale war, kinda like Contra. But once inside the confides of Castlevania then the game can slow down a notch and take it's time. And if it had to be done in 3D then do it in the style of CV64/LoD except without the exploration and puzzles. In essence like the cancelled Dreamcast CV game was to be like.

Nice intro DragonSlayr81! But was Julius a teen in 1999 or a young man?

He's 19, last of the teens, a few years shy of being 21. It's that age where you are(at least in America), old enough but not "old enough". It would be an interesting aspect of Julius to go into, especially if he was to eventually start having doubts that he COULD do what others are expecting him to do. Of course, with my intro, in my idea, he CAN do phenomenal things, but even people who can do phenomenal things can have doubts about their own abilities. It would also be an interesting side comparison with the whole thing regarding a DCW game having high expectations. Julius would come to points where he asks himself, "Can I really live up to my ancestors?". Of course, we know he does live up to them, and defeats Dracula once and for all!