Topic: My Vampire Killer whip question

[X]

[insert impending "b-but Soleiyu was tainted by evil too!" counter-argument here]

That he was. And Dracula's ability to curse people is far more potent and powerful then Shaft's ability could ever be. IGA hasn't made any official statements about why the main Belmont line cannot touch the whip so at this point it's all up in the air, and personally it's another poorly executed story gimmick. I think he needed to explain why the whip was used by the Morris family in Bloodlines but without sacrificing the Belmont family line. But he didn't think hard enough on it so now all we have is another plot hole in the system.

[darkwzrd4]

[insert impending "b-but Soleiyu was tainted by evil too!" counter-argument here]

Oops!!! I forgot about him.  Sorry.  Good catch crisis.  Guess that kills my theory.

[VladCT]

One question; was Soleiyu holding the whip at that time?

[X]

One question; was Soleiyu holding the whip at that time?

No. Soleiyu was using a different whip while battling his father (Christopher) who was using the Vampirekiller.

[BushidoViking]

^ Thank you for that amazing post!  +1

Thanks A lot!

[Flame]

No. Soleiyu was using a different whip while battling his father (Christopher) who was using the Vampirekiller.

Exactly. He had not yet inherited VK froim his father. AKA he was inexperienced and still training.

Richter was a full on powerful Belmont with all the trimmings, having killed Dracula previously, and got himself mind raped by Shaft, almost ENDING the bloodline.

[Ratty]

Don't forget that the whip went through several transformations after being alchemically enhanced but before being bonded with the soul of Sara Trantoul.
Being infused with elemental forces like fire and ice during its initial formation explains the whip's ability to sometimes showcase those powers later i.e. the flamewhip etc.

The ability to switch between several forms in LoI and its bonding with a human consciousness/essence/soul suggests that the whip can change based on the mystical power and temperament of the wielder* or the environment. Which goes a long way to explaining occasional erratic behavior like the projectiles in the original Gameboy games that would disappear after Christopher was weakened/took damage. Plus since it bonded with Sara the whip itself may even be self-aware and/or have a will of it's own in some fashion.**

*And how closely tied they are to Leon/the Belmont clan and thus Sara's soul/essence.

**The vampiric taint on Sara's soul would explain why the whip can be deadly draining for some users. Though having a will of it's own might explain why some non-Belmonts like Nathan Graves (if you consider such uses canon) were able to wield it and unlock any of its power at all. The whip itself wants to stop the forces of evil, at least the part that is pure Sara.

[KaZudra]

New addition; Chain Whip is NOT VK's Full Power mode, thus Richter couldn't wield the whip at full power, but claimed that way for plot device.

Reinhardt and John Morris are the only two who have wielded the whip at it's Purest form; a stream of Holy Light.
Trevor kinda had it, but I don't believe it's the same case.

This could also mean the Belmonts are able to restrain the whip from it's true form in which the true form is the way the Vampire Killer takes the User's Life, If John was All that and a bag of chips, he would have used the whip in 4th form all the time, thus explaining his untimely death; he could not limit the whip's power.

[Shiroi Koumori]

New addition; Chain Whip is NOT VK's Full Power mode, thus Richter couldn't wield the whip at full power, but claimed that way for plot device.

Reinhardt and John Morris are the only two who have wielded the whip at it's Purest form; a stream of Holy Light.
Trevor kinda had it, but I don't believe it's the same case.

This could also mean the Belmonts are able to restrain the whip from it's true form in which the true form is the way the Vampire Killer takes the User's Life, If John was All that and a bag of chips, he would have used the whip in 4th form all the time, thus explaining his untimely death; he could not limit the whip's power.

That makes a lot of sense.

[X]

We have yet to hear whether or not Reinhardt fell ill and died due to using the whip in it's purest form. But then again IGA has no intentions of  making a sequel to CV64/LoD so we'll never know if Reinhardt himself survived or not.

[TheCruelAngel]

I always liked the "Beam whip" from CV64, so I think Kaz's theory is interesting and has a little credibility behind it.

The Belmonts were trained to fight evil all their lives, they knew they always had to keep fighting and could never stop, so they limited the power of the VK to ensure they can always keep fighting. Also, because they knew they could complete whatever tasks at that stage, because confident BAMFs.

However, Reinhardt and John were not trained as such. Were not confident in their battle prowess and felt they needed the edge of the ultimate VK form. They also might have been more concerned with the immediate threat of Dracula and not the long term battle against the dark forces.

I mean, hell Richter has item crashes and shit, Reinhardt and Jon had just the whip and sub weapons (hell, Reinhardt also carried a small sword for additional protection!). Reinhardt and John also worked their bodies (i.e. BEEFCAKE compared to most CV whip wielders of similar vintage) since that's all they really had to help them combat the dark forces.

I like to also imagine Reinhardt lived a long happy life with Rosa. Maybe she helped him not lose all of his life force? I dunno...just some musing from me.

[Rudolph LagnaGaisaer]

the vampire killer thing could change konami was not a great idea maker The vampire killer gained a history after Some games of the series the first one was only a simple with with a spiked mace ball on the tip

[Gunners Heaven]

Removing the games that are now considered ret conned out of existence it can be assumed that the Belmonts passed  the whip to relatives after Richter was tainted by Shaft's magic. I love the idea in the SOTN kill Richter ending that he felt his life would have no purpose if Dracula was stopped for good. It develops his personality a bit more and if he had already had that feeling it would've made it easier for Shaft to control one of the strongest Belmonts ever.

[darkwzrd4]

Removing the games that are now considered ret conned out of existence it can be assumed that the Belmonts passed  the whip to relatives after Richter was tainted by Shaft's magic. I love the idea in the SOTN kill Richter ending that he felt his life would have no purpose if Dracula was stopped for good. It develops his personality a bit more and if he had already had that feeling it would've made it easier for Shaft to control one of the strongest Belmonts ever.

Well, in the PSP port found on the DXC, when you confront Richter in the keep he will say that Dracula rises but once every century (not true) and that it's one time for the Belmonts to shine. Afterwards, they are finished and forgotten.  If he could resurrect Dracula, the battle can go on.

If those were Richter's deep-seated feelings, that Darkness could be what allowed Shaft to control him.

[Gunners Heaven]

Well, technically Dracula is supposed to comeback every hundred years unless he's prematurely brought back.  That was one reason for the removal of the non cannon games I believe. Story-wise it seems like the Belmonts aren't doing there job well.  Also, is the revised dialogue for the psp version the new cannon for sotn?  because he says something very similar in the original version. If I remember correctly it is along the lines of What need for the hunter when the wolves have all gone?