Topic: Doesn't LoS story remind you of... (Spoilers)

[Lelygax]

Hey, Eric is the supreme character that will beat Dracula, since he his from Spain.

[Flame]

About the initial post...
Something recalling Star Wars can't be a bad thing.
I find Darth Vader's story through the 6 movies very touching. I cried a lot with all the scenes from the prequels related to the love story with Padme. Tragic love stories always get me and make me cry.
I think that's understandable for someone who's still waiting for love to arrive...

I rerally didn't like what Lucas did with Anakin.

Anakin's fall to the dark side was very badly contrived. "OH NO I KILLED A JEDI I'M A BAD GUY NOW LEMME GO KILL ALL THE CHILDREN"

They could have done that far better. That said, despite the overuse of CGI, (Oh Lucas, whatever happened to you? You used to be the king of practical Special Effects!) the final battle scene was well done.

I think for me, it's just that I felt Vader really didn't NEED to be explained. He was a supremely powerful Jedi who fell to darkness, and in the end, redeemed himself. That's all you really needed.

[Lelygax]

So you are ignoring the fact that they are movies from books, that have been released in order (I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX (Yes, NINE, but Lucas since didnt wanted to made the rest in movies)) and that he didnt used so much CGI before because of the same reason that he launched IV, V and VI first.  Its because the technology at time couldnt do what he wanted, since the first ones needed more things to do all these giant things and droids without looking crap he waited patiently and did what he could at time, that being IV, V and VI. :p

[Pfil]

I know there's been a lot of criticism about the prequels, but I just love them, they really moved me, I found the tragic tale of Anakin to be a very beautiful story of love, betrayal and redemption. Very Shakespearean, maybe, and that's perhaps why I liked them so much. I personally think the whole Star Wars saga is a masterpiece.

But Pfil, Lucasfilms is not a Spanish company and therefore Star Wars is inherently inferior to the LoS canon.  Of course it's a bad thing to compare the two; it's an obvious insult to LoS to be compared to those terrible non-Spanish films.

Hahaha!!!

Hey, Eric is the supreme character that will beat Dracula, since he his from Spain.

It's very weird he never mentioned Vega from Street Fighter 

[Mystic Myotis]

I know there's been a lot of criticism about the prequels, but I just love them, they really moved me, I found the tragic tale of Anakin to be a very beautiful story of love, betrayal and redemption. Very Shakespearean, maybe, and that's perhaps why I liked them so much. I personally think the whole Star Wars saga is a masterpiece.

Gonna be frank.  Any sympathy I might have felt for that self-centered, whiny brat dried up when he murdered a bunch of children and then had the audacity to call the Jedi evil.

[Pfil]

I just loved how crazy he became only for love, only to then regret it all. I love stories about regret. I always cry when I watch the final hour; the father-son-like relationship ending in a tragic battle, Padme's funeral; everything turning apart and the world becoming hopeless... and all that with what it is (to my tastes) John Williams' best score.

[Flame]

So you are ignoring the fact that they are movies from books, that have been released in order (I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX (Yes, NINE, but Lucas since didnt wanted to made the rest in movies)) and that he didnt used so much CGI before because of the same reason that he launched IV, V and VI first.  Its because the technology at time couldnt do what he wanted, since the first ones needed more things to do all these giant things and droids without looking crap he waited patiently and did what he could at time, that being IV, V and VI. :p

You realize, that Most of the Star Wars expanded universe, AKA the Novels, are not written by Lucas himself, but just Licensed? They are mostly, simply put, Officially Licensed fanfiction. (Much like the Star Trek Novels, of which there are a ton- Shatner's "The Return" itself is essentially Kirk Fiction, bringing the character back after he died in... Generations was it?)

Besides, Im just saying my opinion is all. i don't like how Lucas handled the prequels. Their writing, direction and everything, really show who was really the driving force behind the success of the originals. Not Lucas himself, but the Producer, Gary kurtz, who kept Lucas in line and prevented him from screwing the movies up too bad. (Did you know Lucas originally wanted a happy ending for Episode 3/6? Where Vader survives and everyone lives happily ever after?)

The results of Lucas' Starwars movies without Kurtz, REALLY shows. Lucas is just plain and simple, a terrible writer.

There. I said it. His Direction isn't all that great either. Or at least, it's gotten worse than what it was, I dont know. take a moment some time and hear the Red Letter Media review of the 3 prequels. It's very good.

[justin312]

I rerally didn't like what Lucas did with Anakin.

Anakin's fall to the dark side was very badly contrived. "OH NO I KILLED A JEDI I'M A BAD GUY NOW LEMME GO KILL ALL THE CHILDREN"

I think for me, it's just that I felt Vader really didn't NEED to be explained. He was a supremely powerful Jedi who fell to darkness, and in the end, redeemed himself. That's all you really needed.

I really agree with this, and I think it also applies to Dracula, both the Gabriel and Matthias versions. Both guys are good guys, heroes, who lose their wife, and suddenly they become evil and spend the next 900 years trying to destroy humanity because of it? Very contrived. Any normal person would probably take years (as in, less than 10) to complete the grieving process, but then would recover and move on. After several hundred years Gabriel/Matthias would barely remember Marie/Elizabetha, let alone be still pissed enough about it to wage war on humanity.

Much like Darth Vader, I feel that Dracula didn't need to be explained.

[crisis]

While you have a point, the fact remains that it doesn't matter how long it's been after you lose a loved one; the pain may ease slightly after several years, but you never truly get over it. Ask those that have lost loved ones after 9/11 if they'll ever truly "move on." This may sound cheesy but don't underestimate the power of love & how losing a loved one in a dramatic way can traumatize an individual for life.

Difference between Matthias & Gabby is Matthias eventually found someone else, Lisa, but had the misfortune of losing her again, over false accusations no less.

[Pfil]

I agree with Crisis on this one.

In addition, the thing I liked the most about Bram Stoker's Dracula was that it was revenge against God and humanity what moved Vlad Tepes to become Dracula.

[Lelygax]

I didnt moved on and almost 3 years have passed... I agree with crisis too.

You realize, that Most of the Star Wars expanded universe, AKA the Novels, are not written by Lucas himself, but just Licensed? They are mostly, simply put, Officially Licensed fanfiction. (Much like the Star Trek Novels, of which there are a ton- Shatner's "The Return" itself is essentially Kirk Fiction, bringing the character back after he died in... Generations was it?)

Thats new to me, but it still official anyway then. Its so bad like you are saying? I never had the time or interest to check about this.

Besides, Im just saying my opinion is all. i don't like how Lucas handled the prequels. Their writing, direction and everything, really show who was really the driving force behind the success of the originals. Not Lucas himself, but the Producer, Gary kurtz, who kept Lucas in line and prevented him from screwing the movies up too bad. (Did you know Lucas originally wanted a happy ending for Episode 3/6? Where Vader survives and everyone lives happily ever after?)

In a way, his spirit survives and it still a happy ending IMO. Yeah, that wouldnt even make sense, I prefer the way that it ended.

The results of Lucas' Starwars movies without Kurtz, REALLY shows. Lucas is just plain and simple, a terrible writer.

There. I said it. His Direction isn't all that great either. Or at least, it's gotten worse than what it was, I dont know. take a moment some time and hear the Red Letter Media review of the 3 prequels. It's very good.

I never put that guy in a pedestal like I see some people doing, he did good and innovative movies, had great ideas, but thats all. He should have focused in writing new stories and supervisioned the movies instead of being the director. So many functions is too much for only one person. (Well, Stallone did it right but stil...)

[Mystic Myotis]

Both guys are good guys, heroes, who lose their wife, and suddenly they become evil and spend the next 900 years trying to destroy humanity because of it? Very contrived. Any normal person would probably take years (as in, less than 10) to complete the grieving process, but then would recover and move on. After several hundred years Gabriel/Matthias would barely remember Marie/Elizabetha, let alone be still pissed enough about it to wage war on humanity.

Uh, I think you're misconstruing the situations.

In my eyes Mathias as a character makes perfect sense.  He did not declare war on humanity when Elizabetha died; he declared eternal defiance of the will of a god who he perceived to be a capricious and ungrateful murderer of an innocent who he loved above all things.  It wasn't until humans burned the reincarnation of the woman he turned himself into a vampire over at the stake in front of his son that he went all psycho-killer on people.  A person can only shoulder so much before they crack and that was Mathias' limit.

I'll leave it to someone who actually cares about LoS to point out why Gabriel's evilness isn't contrived. XD

[Pfil]

I actually like Gabriel's story, but I don't really care much about LoS.

[justin312]

In addition, the thing I liked the most about Bram Stoker's Dracula was that it was revenge against God and humanity what moved Vlad Tepes to become Dracula.

You're talking about the Coppola movie right? Not the novel.

Uh, I think you're misconstruing the situations.

In my eyes Mathias as a character makes perfect sense.  He did not declare war on humanity when Elizabetha died; he declared eternal defiance of the will of a god who he perceived to be a capricious and ungrateful murderer of an innocent who he loved above all things.  It wasn't until humans burned the reincarnation of the woman he turned himself into a vampire over at the stake in front of his son that he went all psycho-killer on people.  A person can only shoulder so much before they crack and that was Mathias' limit.

I'll leave it to someone who actually cares about LoS to point out why Gabriel's evilness isn't contrived. XD

I see what you're saying, but I still think its contrived when its over a period of centuries. Him having one momentary freak out over a lost love that results in him becoming a vampire is one thing. But using a lost love as a continued motivation for his evil actions over hundreds of years makes less sense.  Also thought the crimson stone was a really weak plot device. Continuing on the Star Wars theme, it reminded me of midichlorians (as in, "Really?! THAT'S the source behind all that power?!)

Maybe part of it is just that I used to like the mystery of Dracula's background, and filling in my own blanks as to his origins.

[Pfil]

You're talking about the Coppola movie right? Not the novel.

Yes, the movie. I didn't read the novel.