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Is Order of Shadows canon?
« on: July 12, 2013, 08:27:26 AM »
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I haven't been able to find any info one way or the other.

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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 11:15:19 AM »
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No, it's a reboot in an alternate universe with some similarities, music not being one of them  :P
Its story would contradict with almost all games in the franchise, because characters have been relocated to MS wishes to fulfill certain roles when in the original canon some of them were centuries apart. For example, the central part of the plot that links both main games (LoS 1 and 2), which is Mirror of Fate, would be in total contradiction with Castlevania 3.
Not to mention that even Dracula himself is a completely different character.
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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 11:20:00 AM »
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Quote from: IGA
Translation: Regarding Castlevania 64, Legacy of Darkness, Circle of the Moon, Order of Shadows and the Arcade, they are stories from a separate world with the same world view. Castlevania 64, Legacy of Darkness and Circle of the Moon are treated in the same way as the makers intended.

This is in response to a question I asked him.

It should be noted that the game has some obvious shout outs to the main continuity. It was supposedly intented to be an alternate continuity from the very start. I'm guessing the story writer wasn't aware of this fact.

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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 11:36:51 AM »
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No, it's a reboot in an alternate universe with some similarities, music not being one of them  :P
Its story would contradict with almost all games in the franchise, because characters have been relocated to MS wishes to fulfill certain roles when in the original canon some of them were centuries apart. For example, the central part of the plot that links both main games (LoS 1 and 2), which is Mirror of Fate, would be in total contradiction with Castlevania 3.
Not to mention that even Dracula himself is a completely different character.

i think he was referring to Order of Shadows, the cellphone game, not Lords of Shadow *giggles*

either way, both games are not canon, as admitted by the developers themselves. OoS can be viewed as a "side story" or "gaiden" game, but it has no place in the main timeline.

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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 01:47:10 PM »
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Oh, silly me!  :P
Well, the answer is the same for OoS, though the part explaining Mirror of Fate wouldn't fit there, I guess  :P
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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 05:24:58 PM »
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Yeah, everything said so far. But I seem to recall IGA having some very minor input, if only for gameplay stuff and not story. Would've been interesting to have had Desmond as Simon's father though.

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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2013, 08:05:01 PM »
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I think IGA just offered moral support to the team, kinda like how they sometimes put a "Special Thanks" in the credits of some games. He might have popped in the offices a couple times to give his blessing, and left it at that.

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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2013, 08:25:27 PM »
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Here's some bits from an IGN interview. 

IGN Wireless: How is it tied to other Castlevania storylines?

TR (Tyrone Rodriguez the game's lead designer): Castlevania: Order of Shadows' main protagonist is a Belmont. He's doing what Beltmonts do best.

IGN Wireless: How closely are you working with Koji Igarashi for this new title? Was he pretty hands on during the development, or did he just offer some guidance? Did he enjoy the challenge of working on a new platform, or was it outside his expertise?

TR: We met with IGA pretty early on in the development process, he gave his blessing, but also reminded us that the game had to be fun and keep with the spirit of the Castlevania series. This needs no interpretation and reaffirmed our believe that the game had to be designed to embrace the mobile platform. IGA took a look at the design, story and script, giving his input and comments as necessary. He was actively involved with ensuring the game was consistent with the current canon. His attention to detail and knowledge of the series is obviously unrivaled. It's really great to have a living, breathing encyclopedia, even if he's in Roppongi Hills most of the time.

IGA knows games, there's probably nothing related or unrelated to Castlevania he can't handle. His background is in programming so he understands the challenges of mobile. That's been a huge help—he even came up with a few solutions on how to improve hit detection and the whip mechanics.

IGN Wireless: What sort of timeframe in relation to other Castlevania titles?

TR: Officially, Order of Chaos is considered a "gaiden" or side story to the Castlevania canon. However, it takes place roughly in the late 1600s.

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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2013, 08:57:22 PM »
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His attention to detail and knowledge of the series is obviously unrivaled.

there's probably nothing related or unrelated to Castlevania he can't handle.

I have to disagree with these two comments from Tyrone Rodriguez. If both these sentences are true then IGA wouldn't have made the mistakes that he had. And the continuity of the series would be largely intact, with no plot-holes or contradictions. There are people on this forum who are far more intimate with the CV series then IGA has ever been.
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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2013, 06:35:02 AM »
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There are people on this forum who are far more intimate with the CV series then IGA has ever been.

I have made love to my copy of Castlevania Chronicles, you are right

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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2013, 11:11:16 AM »
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I have made love to my copy of Castlevania Chronicles, you are right

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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 11:50:27 AM »
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Does intimacy refers to looking at fanarts in bed?  :P
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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2013, 08:52:45 AM »
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Does intimacy refers to looking at fanarts in bed?  :P
I was tempted to say, "That depends.  Are they wearing pants in the fanarts?"  Then I realized half the characters in Castlevania don't wear pants anyway.  They wear leather.  And use whips. 
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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2013, 11:00:24 AM »
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At first look at the text I believed you were going to ask me what I was wearing in bed, haha!
Then I read the text  :P
So, to answer your question, most of the times they are, yes.
Not me, because I am already in bed  :P
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Re: Is Order of Shadows canon?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2013, 11:49:42 AM »
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Not me, because I am already in bed  :P
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