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Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« on: July 28, 2013, 01:44:53 PM »
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I was mulling over ideas for Haunted Castle, and the thought came to me.

Can he leave the walls of Castlevania, or is he confined to its borders?

I don't think he's restricted to the place, but he's never really actually left it AFAIK (bear in mind I've never played Curse, or beaten Dark Legacy or 64 fully, as well as a few other titles, so I may just be misinformed on this one). Granted, in some instances he's not IN his own Castle; like in Circle, he's in an already-existing castle in Austria, but the argument could be made that his power "takes over" the place and makes it into a placeholder Castlevania. There's also nothing mentioned in the traditional origin story (LoI) that says he's not allowed out of his domain's borders, either.

Anybody got anything more viable on this?


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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 02:02:02 PM »
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Yes, Rondo's Stage 3' is your proof. If you pay attention to the background you'll know what I'm talking about.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 02:11:32 PM »
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Yes, I think too. I think he met Lisa outside Castlevania so, yeah.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 02:16:26 PM »
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Yes, Rondo's Stage 3' is your proof. If you pay attention to the background you'll know what I'm talking about.

That's supposed to be Drac? Huh. I never thought of that, I always thought it was just some guy who looked like a matador.


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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 02:34:21 PM »
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Yes, Rondo's Stage 3' is your proof. If you pay attention to the background you'll know what I'm talking about.

Thats not a proof, because we need to prove that this shadowy figure is Dracula, a thing that even IGA knows as he stated in a interview xD

Yes, he can leave the castle as seen in the 64 games, in Carrie bad ending he leaves the castle with her (in Malus form). Also Dracula is out of the castle in SCIV opening in bat form, in Bloodlines he was in Castle Proserpina and IIRC we can see him in cutscene in Dracula X Chronicles for PSP, its him with Shaft (or Shaft alone, I cant remember) that invades the village to kidnap Annete. Also in Judgement he is outside the castle, in Bram Stoker too and we never received a information saying anything about him being stuck in Castlevania, so yes, he is free xD
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 02:55:08 PM »
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 02:59:13 PM »
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I think he can too. Let's not forget that in AoS the castle exists before Soma even arrives. Thus, the castle doesn't need him to be present. Also, in SotN, the castle is there even though Dracula hasn't been resurrected yet. He just chooses not to leave. It's his seat of power. If he ever left for an extended period, it is likely that someone may attempt to usurp the throne.

As for why his castle always crumbles when he dies, my guess is that when he dies, there is some sort of energy wave released from his body that damages the castle enough to cause it to crumble.
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 03:09:39 PM »
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He just chooses not to leave. It's his seat of power. If he ever left for an extended period, it is likely that someone may attempt to usurp the throne.

This is what I was kind of looking for, thank you.

As for the "why" on my end, I've been mulling over the idea of giving Dracula a third form that isn't fought until the VERY end of the game, after escaping the majority of the castle (or escaping it entirely), and ambushing Simon and Serena as a final attempt to catch Simon off his guard and kill him. Don't know if I'll pursue it, but I just wanted this question pondered as a safety net if I do.


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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2013, 03:56:55 PM »
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People seem to have forgot, that Dracula actually survived his battle with Christopher in The Adventure (we see him depart in bat form right after the castle is destroyed*). He is dormant for 15 years until Soleiyu comes of age, and he corrupts him, etc. The question is, where exactly was he hiding for so long?

*In Mirror of Fate's ending, we also see Alucard in bat form depart the castle as soon as it's destroyed, most likely a nod to CVA.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2013, 05:24:32 PM »
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Also there was the beginning in DXC in the village where he and Shaft both capture Annette.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 05:55:54 PM »
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Some info:

-I think the Rondo of Blood Dracula stage3' thing is made simpler in The DraculaX Chronicles, where the silhouette is even easier to identify.
-Carmilla's Castle in Circle of the Moon is not in Romania, but in Austria, I believe, and he resides there for a while.
-Dracula exists in The Castle Proserpina with Elizabeth in England.
-Also, the other examples people mentioned.
-In Lords of Shadow's epilogue, he's residing in an abandoned church somewhere in a city.  That's most likely not his castle. :P

So it's safe to say that he can leave the castle.
This also matches the stories in Bram Stoker's Dracula, both book and movie.

It's possible that his power is weaker outside of the castle but 'citation needed'. :P

Maybe as long as he's got 'earth from his property' it'll work just fine, like in Bram Stoker's novel?
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2013, 07:01:52 PM »
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It's possible that his power is weaker outside of the castle but 'citation needed'. :P
Maybe as long as he's got 'earth from his property' it'll work just fine, like in Bram Stoker's novel?
That's what I was thinking, but I figured it'd be safer to ask people who know more about the series than I do.

Also there was the beginning in DXC in the village where he and Shaft both capture Annette.
I thought about that, too, but there's one thing that kills it for me. He doesn't appear to really be "there," and looks more like he's projecting an astral body of himself. I don't personally count that as physically being outside his realm's grounds.


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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2013, 07:45:33 PM »
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That this question exists demonstrates the lameness of the "Prince of Darkness" -_-

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM »
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That this question exists demonstrates the lameness of the "Prince of Darkness" -_-

How so? Similar limitations have been placed on the undead in myth and folklore for thousands of years. Such as that a vampire must return to the soil he was buried in before daybreak for example. Part of the price of eternity.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2013, 10:22:54 PM »
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So he's the prince of the Castle or whatever, not the world greatest threat.  The worst part is that he didn't leave his place at dawn, no, he never left his damn chair in 25 years, come on. I love the games as much as the next guy but trying to find a compelling villain in there is a fool's errand. The worst part is that the new series didn't give us that, as Dracul is a little more in the "tragic hero" side. Until the next reboot then, I fear.
This is my BIGGEST rant reason to the series, it's my favorite one but I'll argue until the end of time, no matter the developer no matter the quality even until I can have a villain good enough to match the potential of the series.

This is my little confession: Castlevania frustrates me.
It might as well be the series with the biggest potential in the medium (hell, it has the biggest potential to be /cross medium/) but for 25 years it's been met with such... baffling choices and managements, it makes me sad to think of what could be.

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