Topic: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?

[Ratty]

Or at least that appears to be the case, I know the new Xbone-exclusive Dead Rising is gonna be locked at 720p. Now it looks like that may be the rule rather then the exception for Microsoft's system. (I assume Sports and Cable TV will still work in 1080p.) This is oldish news it seems but I got a good laugh when I saw it covered on this week's Jimquisition http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8423-Children-of-the-Resolution

I have to agree with Mr. Sterling about the whole thing. As someone who still regularly plays the NES/PSX/N64 etc. I'm far from being overly concerned with graphics. But if we get to see this unceasing push for more expensive visuals, which played such a large part in the death of mid-level developers/publishers this generation, come back to bite the "Triple A" industry in the ass it will be hilarious.

What do you all think?

[VladCT]

Never was too concerned about ZOMG TEH HD, but eh, any excuse to post these again:


lol

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I keep on forgetting to pick up Wii-U versions of games because the PS3 and X360 still play them at 720 (while quite a few titles are in 1080p in the Wii-U versions).
I kick myself when it happens.  It happened twice now, with Assassin's Creed IV and with Batman: Arkham Origins (though I'm not sure whether that rule is true for these titles).

CableTV and Broadcasts aren't in 1080p, they're in 1080i, so that isn't an issue... at least not yet.

I guess XBone is doing "well yeah we're at 720p but we're at higher frames per second" or something?  I have no idea.  I'm not interested in the newer consoles, to be honest.  It took me forever to get a PS3 (after the Slim version and the 2nd price markdown) and even longer to get an X360 (friend of mine sold it to me to help her pay for her car insurance).

But honestly, graphics really aren't everything.  I'm enjoying the 3DS and it's clearly got lower graphics than the Vita, which appears to be languishing.

[Las]

Yeah it's ironic you guys are having this discussion. I find the ps vita's game selections rather disturbing at best. Why did the psp have such great titles and the ps vita such shitty ones....the world will never know. Glad to see at least some psp games can be bought via psn store and used on the vita. But overall it's not much and still missing some of the better psp games. It almost seems like most of what the vita has appeals to little kids. I mean other than dead or alive  5plus, soul sacrifice and a few other games what the hell is their? Someone outta hammer sony's forums and get their ass moving in the right direction with vita. Get some better game selections for crap sakes!! I mean what they have for the ps3 is off the charts in terms of game selection. Why the hell can't they at least port some of those games or at least some psn network games. It's a bit ridiculous..did they give up on the thing. I think it's capabilities may even exceed ps3. I noticed some of the ninja gaiden games are actually better(at least it appears graphic wise) than on ps3. 

Well i do hear good things about ps4 though. At first i was hearing about how people would have to pay to either use internet for it, or too go on the psn network....but i'm not so sure about that. From what i read it sounds like it depends on the bluy ray drive you have. It will require you to upgrade for a price to do some of that stuff. Or you can email them and they will send you a non-internet ps4?. I must have some of that information probably somewhat wrong,but it sounded like their were 2 versions of the drives. Also i found out that depending on the company who makes the games, ps4 games have the ability to be compatible with ps3 games. I'll assume call of duty games might take advantage of that. But i dont seeit lasting long.....the problem is sony would probably loose money. I dunno how that will be the case but that's what i read. Anyone have any further info to share on ps4? Btw i know absolutely nothing about the xbox or whatever version they are on. As for graphics are concerned they should all get with the program and do 1080. I see little reason to sacrifice graphics. To me it's all about the game selection...but yeah enhanced graphics for the games are an added plus.

[X]

Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?

My only thoughts are this: If the XBox 180 can only do 720p compared to the PS4's 1080p, then maybe Microshaft should not have stuffed it full of all that security crap to begin with! They would have saved up more room inside the box and maybe, just maybe, the console would have had a better, more pleasing design. But as it is a door jam is the best use for it.

[Ratty]

CableTV and Broadcasts aren't in 1080p, they're in 1080i, so that isn't an issue... at least not yet.

Lol shows how long it's been since I had cable I guess.

I guess XBone is doing "well yeah we're at 720p but we're at higher frames per second" or something?  I have no idea.

Actually as I recall the new "Next Gen! Xbone Exclusive!" Dead Rising is gonna be 720p and locked at 30fps. I remember it being a news item because the PR guys had the monumental task of acting like this was a good thing and that everyone on the dev team was happy about it.

But yeah not counting the PC the newest console I've got is a PS2. Though I'll eventually pick up a PS3 when the price drops for a handful of games I wanna play on that. I kinda want a 3DS XL but for the most part I'm happy staying exclusively PC and retro.

[KaZudra]

The reason the Xbone Does 720p is so that you can Multi-task while playing video games.
Multitask features,
Watching TV.
Surfing the Web with IE.
Checking on Freinds.

Now, I'm gonna point out the Flaws in this.
1. Xbone is 5 years too late, if you can afford an Xbone, you probably have a Smarphone that can do all that.
2. Most TVs Have PIP, allowing you to watch TV while playing games anyways, I've done this a few times playing skyrim.
3. Surfing the Web while playing a game isn't too bad, but it's IE... Chrome and Firefox dominate the whole web browser competition.

The Xbone Traded hi-resolution Graphics to have a sidebar that does other stuff than play video games.
a Next Gen Video Game Console that is more focused on everything but games.

[Ratty]

So in function it's essentially a decade old current gen console with useless peripherals duct taped on? How surprisingly... Nintendo of them.

[Abnormal Freak]

It was mentioned fairly early on that the Xbone's tech wouldn't be much better than the 360's since they were focusing on it being an all-in-one media machine, but I guess the information got kind of lost in the debacle over now-reversed consumer ass-reaming.

I even sorta forgot myself, because my Xbox-obsessed friend was kind of slagging on the Wii U for not being very advanced, when here the Xbox One isn't either. I can't wait to rib him over this. :p

To be fair though, a smooth game running 720p locked to 30fps is better than a choppy 1080p game. According to Eurogamer, Arkham City runs smoothly 720p 30fps on the 360, but its 1080p Wii U counterpart isn't locked to 30 frames and suffers a lot of lag as a result, because even though the framerate sometimes jumps above 30 (sometimes up to 42), it often slogs below 30 frames. Which is a shame when you don't have the original developer doing the conversion to another console, because an outside developer may not know how to optimize things. (Shame, too, because I thought the added bloom effects looked neat. Also the armored suits aren't optional, so you miss out on Catwoman's boobage.)

[Intersection]

What some people tend to forget about the pixel debate: 720p already offers a considerable amount of detail.
While 1080p might sometimes deliver that small bit of extra spectacle, you'll be hard-pressed in most cases to detect any significant differences between the two.

And speaking of frames: the human eye will begin to assimilate an object as being in motion somewhere before 18 fps. Your typical movie is at 24 fps. Above that, you're going into comfort and aesthetic effects -- 60 fps hardly makes for a standard video, unless you're looking for specific optical effects or motion properties. It certainly isn't something you'll truly need to worry about while gaming.

So I've never truly been convinced by the "OMG no 1080P! XBONE SUX!" arguments that tend to pop up every now and then.
I'd like to see what the consoles actually have to offer, rather than ranting about trivial specifications.

[KaZudra]

Actually, the difference between 1080p and 720p are Pretty Steep, this goes for Jaggies and Draw Distance, and much more...
The Xbone's inability to do this is solely by choice to promote shitty gimmicks like Watching TV on Xbox and Browsing WHILE gaming, the browsing is actually okay, but the TV part is just stupid, anyone who can afford an Xbone already has a HDTV with PIP.

The PS4 on the other hand, the 30fps issue is present, but this goes much more for developers, as we seen with CoD: Ghosts, the PS4 can play the game at 60fps (with dips, but getting an update to fix that), It uses all of its new power mainly for games, which is it's purpose as a console.

The Wii-U is much like the Wii, 3rd Parties just can't seem to make good games on it but there will be those Gems that make the console buy-able.


....and then there is PC, which completely shits on the new "Bit Wars", getting 1080p out of a Duo Core AND 4 Gigs or 667 DDR2 Ram, and a Semi-Mid tier Video card.
IF PC can do this at high settings (minus AA) JUST like consoles, then Why the FUCK is 1080p and 60fps so Hard to do with Quad Cores and 8GB of DDr3+ Ram?

[Inccubus]

My only thoughts are that Microsoft and Sony can happily continue to NOT earn any money from me.

[Bloodreign]

Unless a friend of mine does what he did with a PS3 a couple years ago (he deemed I needed a PS3, not really, I functioned fine with a PS2, if anything it's mostly a PS1 machine for me. I did find a PS1 game with an invisible options menu and title screen while playing it on a PS3, X-Men COTA. Plays fine on my PS2 though). Knowing this friend, he makes good money, will wait 2-3 years after he gets one, he'll deem I need yet another system (he could get me a PCE for a bit less really), and I'll wind up with one anyway.

I really don't need anymore modern gen consoles, I do need a Game Gear or a TG-16/PCE though. GG's are at this point mostly in need of brand new screen capacitors though.

[kadosho]

Kinda find this a big setback, just a console that plays games is enough. I don't think I will be upgrading, the 360 already has that support. So I really have no objections, being able to use 1080p period from the start would make more sense. So the Xbox One is the Wii U in reverse? --, way to go...

[KaZudra]

and to make things worst for the Xbone, It will have 0 features unless you pay for LIVE.