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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2014, 10:28:55 PM »
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wait, I thought the LoS games were supposed to be an alternate universe?
Yes they are. what`s your point? It is ok to have Dracula`s castle in the present or even in the future if is and Igavania but it`s wrong if is LOS?

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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2014, 11:11:16 PM »
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No, he means that Lords' timeline using a direct event from the original timeline wouldn't make any logical sense.

Basically, doing that would mean that all the stuff leading up to the Demon Castle Wars had to have happened, and if they happened, then there's no point in the alternative LoS timeline existing. It becomes a jumbled clusterfuck.

Now, if it WAS the DCW, and Cox actually wrote instigations and causes and effects in for it that fit the new timeline, it'd be another story. But since he most likely hasn't, I think it's safe to assume the battle in the Lords 2 trailer was just a bunch of humans rallying to try and kill him. Nothing so grandeur as the DCW.


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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2014, 12:37:52 AM »
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The DMC only exists in our minds, so we don't have anything to compare to :P

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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2014, 01:12:07 AM »
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Depends... You gonna write about it..?
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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2014, 03:52:45 AM »
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>Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?

Nah. That's like saying the succubus in MOF took the form of a sexy redhead to subconsciously remind Simon of his mother.

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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2014, 04:49:27 AM »
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>Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?

Nah. That's like saying the succubus in MOF took the form of a sexy redhead to subconsciously remind Simon of his mother.

...heeeey now.  8)
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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2014, 07:10:53 PM »
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Its more like Simon has a Oepius complex in MOF than Alucard did in SOTN. Since :P being a barbarian he had sexual feelings also Succubus has to entice him with a threesome :P.

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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2014, 07:02:01 AM »
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Simon is easily enticed and he seems to enjoy it until he realizes.

On Alucard's case, I have been thinking that since his memory of his mom is so strong, that could possibly mean that IGA is cementing his canon where Sonia did not exist.

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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2014, 12:20:02 AM »
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Simon is easily enticed and he seems to enjoy it until he realizes.

On Alucard's case, I have been thinking that since his memory of his mom is so strong, that could possibly mean that IGA is cementing his canon where Sonia did not exist.
That would be a good thought, but I believe that SotN came out before legends. So, it can't have anything to do with Sonia.
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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2014, 01:24:08 AM »
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This is on the level of Rape Dracula.

I don't understand the attempts to manufacture controversy over that at all. I mean, of course Dracula is a rapist, he has been since Bram Stoker. That's what makes him so disturbing. He takes people against their will and forces them to exchange fluids in a metaphor that is as brutal and violent as it is blatantly sexual. It's really sad if all of the modern romanticized portrayals make people surprised by one of the central aspects of what should be a repulsive character. I mean hello Dracula is a serial killer who has operated for hundreds of years. He's bound to have killed thousands of innocent victims including the children we see him sneeringly feed to his brides, a sensitive misunderstood soul he ain't.

Granted these more unpleasant aspects haven't been examined much in the original cartoony and arcade-y Castlevania canon. But these are the kind of horrible character traits that should be explored for "gritty reboots", otherwise why do a "gritty" reboot at all? Particularly if you're playing as said horrible person. There's no point in having such a person be your protagonist if you're going to hide the extent of their horridness from the audience even during the ending of the story.

That would be a good thought, but I believe that SotN came out before legends. So, it can't have anything to do with Sonia.

It came out before Legends but they both came out in 97, so it's not unthinkable that Legends was in the planning stages while they were making SotN.




As for the OP. That's very interesting question but I think it's likely another case of a cigar being a cigar and a coffin being a coffin.
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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2014, 07:12:57 AM »
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It came out before Legends but they both came out in 97, so it's not unthinkable that Legends was in the planning stages while they were making SotN.

Ooopsie... my statement should be restated.
Since IGA created his canon timeline in 2001, and Legends was not in existence when SoTN was made, IGA must have the idea of creating a canon timeline at the back of his mind where Alucard should not have any prior romantic relationships with anyone until Maria comes along. That is why he hated Legends so much.

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Re: Was SOTN trying to imply Alucard has an Oedipus complex?
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2014, 01:21:26 PM »
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Ooopsie... my statement should be restated.
Since IGA created his canon timeline in 2001, and Legends was not in existence when SoTN was made, IGA must have the idea of creating a canon timeline at the back of his mind where Alucard should not have any prior romantic relationships with anyone until Maria comes along. That is why he hated Legends so much.

*nods* Yeah that makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of the primary voices that had the game switched to being "non-canon" somewhere along development. Though the fact that a Dreamcast game featuring Sonia was almost made indicates to me that Konami couldn't care less about what had been declared canon and non-canon until IGA took the reins.

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