Topic: Haunted Castle Theory

[theplottwist]

I'm liking that too! But then that would mean that Tevor basically had a child with Sonia  I haven't played MoF, so if Tevor becomes a completely different entity or something when becoming Alucard and has no traces of being trevor left, then I'd be completely down for this theory as well!

Yeah, the incest is something I'm struggling with resolving for this to make sense lol

Unless Sonia has adopted the name like Gabriel did centuries ago, then it becomes a very big issue. But it's important to remember that, in the LoS timeline, bloodlines are next to irrelevant. Sonia could be someone who received the name but is not a Belmont descendant, YET she can still wield a whip and fight evil.

[Crying Freeman]

Yeah, the incest is something I'm struggling with resolving for this to make sense lol

Unless Sonia has adopted the name like Gabriel did centuries ago, then it becomes a very big issue. But it's important to remember that, in the LoS timeline, bloodlines are next to irrelevant. Sonia could be someone who received the name but is not a Belmont descendant, YET she can still wield a whip and fight evil.

Lol definitely needs some work. I must say, though, I love the idea of this! Part of Sonia's backstory was that she is seeking revenge after Drac. destroyed the Belmont manor and her family, her grandfather teaching her about the whip. So maybe ancestors of Simon make up this family and they adopt Sonia. Even then, Trevor/Alucard would be suspicious of the Belmont name and stay away from relations to her.

[zangetsu468]

Lol definitely needs some work. I must say, though, I love the idea of this! Part of Sonia's backstory was that she is seeking revenge after Drac. destroyed the Belmont manor and her family, her grandfather teaching her about the whip. So maybe ancestors of Simon make up this family and they adopt Sonia. Even then, Trevor/Alucard would be suspicious of the Belmont name and stay away from relations to her.

This is an intriguing development.. I just had a lightbulb moment.

If theplottwist and I merged our Legends timelines:

LOS>MOF>LOS2>>>Legends>SCIV>>>>>>>>OOS>LOD>64>VK

Simon from LOS was Sonia's Grandfather from the Legends prologue.
Reason being is that she may not be a Belmont by blood, which is why he isn't her father.
Sonia defeats Dracula (Gabriel/ Vlad) had a child with Alucard (Trevor) who she names "Simon" after her Grandfather.
This is the same Simon from SCIV, who defeats Dracula during the middle ages "hundreds of years" prior to Richter Belmont.
OOS' Desmond defeats the "guardian of Dracula's sleeping spirit, thus Castlevania doesn't crumble. The Castle remains active.
Desmond has at least one son and one daughter - the daughter begins the Schneider lineage off the existing Belmont Bloodline. Therefore, Desmond being Reinhardt Schneider's ancestor (red hair and all).
Desmond's son carries the Belmont name, however, the Schneider's were either more well skilled to use the Vampire Killer, or they were passed it for another reason. (like on the main timeline)
Cornell defeats the real but not yet fully resurrected Dracula who absorbs his Lycan form, resurrecting as his first born child, Malus.
The guardian of Dracula's sleeping spirit is defeated by Reinhardt and Carrie (like Richter/ Maria at the end of SOTN), they then defeat the real Dracula (aka Malus)
Richter Belmont is the last Belmont descended from Gabriel to defeat Dracula (who now looks like Malus due to his previous incarnation).
FIN

[theplottwist]

This is an intriguing development.. I just had a lightbulb moment.

If theplottwist and I merged our Legends timelines:

LOS>MOF>LOS2>>>Legends>SCIV>>>>>>>>OOS>LOD>64>VK

Simon from LOS was Sonia's Grandfather from the Legends prologue.
Reason being is that she may not be a Belmont by blood, which is why he isn't her father.
Sonia defeats Dracula (Gabriel/ Vlad) had a child with Alucard (Trevor) who she names "Simon" after her Grandfather.
This is the same Simon from SCIV, who defeats Dracula during the middle ages "hundreds of years" prior to Richter Belmont.
OOS' Desmond defeats the "guardian of Dracula's sleeping spirit, thus Castlevania doesn't crumble. The Castle remains active.
Desmond has at least one son and one daughter - the daughter begins the Schneider lineage off the existing Belmont Bloodline. Therefore, Desmond being Reinhardt Schneider's ancestor (red hair and all).
Desmond's son carries the Belmont name, however, the Schneider's were either more well skilled to use the Vampire Killer, or they were passed it for another reason. (like on the main timeline)
Cornell defeats the real but not yet fully resurrected Dracula who absorbs his Lycan form, resurrecting as his first born child, Malus.
The guardian of Dracula's sleeping spirit is defeated by Reinhardt and Carrie (like Richter/ Maria at the end of SOTN), they then defeat the real Dracula (aka Malus)
Richter Belmont is the last Belmont descended from Gabriel to defeat Dracula (who now looks like Malus due to his previous incarnation).
FIN

There is a glaring issue here, however, and that's why I asked Enric for the date where LoS2's intro happens.

In LoS2's intro, Gabriel is struck with the Crissaegrim, and sleeps for hundreds of years until 2057; He couldn't have battled anyone else until his appearance in this year. Some sources say that Alucard stabbed Gabriel in the 1400s, and if I'm not mistaken, the knight scrolls hint at that.

Depending on when he was struck during the 1400s, Sonia could've fought him (and could've been the first human to actually defeat him - as her story officialy goes - since he was not truly defeated by Simon in Mirror of Fate) and THEN he revived later to be struck by the Crissaegrim. But it's important that this date be anywhere AFTER 1450, where Legends takes place.

In the LoS's timeline, LoS2 is obligatorily the last battle. Anything that happens between Crissaegrim and LoS2 must not include Dracula to work.

So, it would go like this:

LoS >> MoF >> Legends >> LoS2's intro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LoS2

Also, important to note: In this bizarre headcanon of mine, I inserted Sonia PURELY because the last Belmont to face Gabriel is Victor Belmont. Victor is Sonia's descendant in the cancelled Castlevania: Resurrection

But, as stated above, there are many issues with the idea. Not only the possible incest, but also the fact that the game flat out states that this is the beginning of the Belmont legend (when, in this hypothesis, it's not) and that the child in Sonia's arms will battle Dracula in the future and be hailed as a hero (when this wouldn't be possible due to Dracula, in this hypothesis, being put to sleep by the Crissaegrim - unless this child is actually Roland de Ronceval, who died fighting Dracula BUT still got considered a hero throughout history, though he's not a Belmont).

 I entertain it more out of experimentation, because I'm writting my own "Branching Timeline Hypothesis" to introduce in my project as a means to explain Dracula's presence and the involvement of time travellers.

EDIT: OK, I'm not sure if this new info destroys the entire hypothesis (probably does), but LoS2's intro takes place in the year 1547.

If Sonia existed in this timeline, then she did almost 100 years before this.

[zangetsu468]

Plot, I really wasn't being serious, I haven't played LOS2 and I have no idea about the story. Nor did I know he was put to sleep for hundreds of years. I should probably get around to playing it one day as I have it.

I simply thought the possibility was of interest Shame he's put to sleep for thousands of years...
However, the theory can still work, hear me out.
SCIV's Dracula Battle has a human form and a second form (but not a demonic form)
OOS' has one form and it's not demonic
LOD's Dracula isn't resurrected yet, one could say he's still dormant and trying to be resurrected.
64's Dracula is properly resurrected, but not in the bad ending - so it could still work, maybe?

Problem being SCIV's Castle crumbles, as does this theory. I think I best keep LOS out of it

[KaZudra]

Castlevania needs more St Germain, Aeon, and Time Reaper.

[zangetsu468]

Castlevania needs more St Germain, Aeon, and Time Reaper.

I don't know if that would better the series. However, I really believe that adding St Germain as the 2nd playable character to COD rather than Trevor would've been a much better and more interesting idea. The game could've had a completely different dynamic. 

[KaZudra]

I don't know if that would better the series. However, I really believe that adding St Germain as the 2nd playable character to COD rather than Trevor would've been a much better and more interesting idea. The game could've had a completely different dynamic.

It'll be great, Guilty Gear is a good example of crazy time travel alterations.
The Galamoth Wars could be a good basis, St Germain and Aeon are keeping Galamoth at bay, with the Presence of Dracula. But Dracula will never work with the good guys to Kill Galamoth, so They work a way to make Dracula into a good guy, probably fighting Time reaper along the way, a possible headcanon involves Julius actually Killing Dracula's actual Soul in 1999, just to find out Galamoth has waited for this moment to emerge, and since the good guys were only prepared for Dracula, they were completely overwhelmed, So Julius goes back to stop himself from completely killing Dracula to let him reincarnate and wipe his memories. thus a possible Sorrow 3 where Soma finally goes head to head with Galamoth.

this is just one example, the possibilities for games can be endless again (in iga/classic-verse)

[zangetsu468]

It'll be great, Guilty Gear is a good example of crazy time travel alterations.
The Galamoth Wars could be a good basis, St Germain and Aeon are keeping Galamoth at bay, with the Presence of Dracula. But Dracula will never work with the good guys to Kill Galamoth, so They work a way to make Dracula into a good guy, probably fighting Time reaper along the way, a possible headcanon involves Julius actually Killing Dracula's actual Soul in 1999, just to find out Galamoth has waited for this moment to emerge, and since the good guys were only prepared for Dracula, they were completely overwhelmed, So Julius goes back to stop himself from completely killing Dracula to let him reincarnate and wipe his memories. thus a possible Sorrow 3 where Soma finally goes head to head with Galamoth.

this is just one example, the possibilities for games can be endless again (in iga/classic-verse)

Interesting potential. I don't know if I believe the soul even in a fictional sense could be destroyed though as the soul is a form of energy; which can only be converted from one form into another but never destroyed.

But it could be interesting if Julius went back to give himself amnesia and take the Vampire Killer off his past self. This would also explain why he could defeat Dracula then get amnesia, remembering he left the Vk behind but still having amnesia prior to that point in time.

The question is why didn't Dracula kill Galamoth himself, and if he couldn't why wouldn't he side with the forces of good and just try to kill them when their guard is lowered? Obviously Dracula doesn't have dominion over Galamoth, but this is not to say he could not find a way to destroy him. Mathias was a genius tactician of war, incredibly intelligent, one would doubt if he fears anyone. Didn't Alucard beat Galamoth in SOTN?

Also although non-canon the story you proposed is reminding me of LOS' final chapter where Gabriel fights TF1 in LOS.

[KaZudra]

Interesting potential. I don't know if I believe the soul even in a fictional sense could be destroyed though as the soul is a form of energy; which can only be converted from one form into another but never destroyed.

But it could be interesting if Julius went back to give himself amnesia and take the Vampire Killer off his past self. This would also explain why he could defeat Dracula then get amnesia, remembering he left the Vk behind but still having amnesia prior to that point in time.

The question is why didn't Dracula kill Galamoth himself, and if he couldn't why wouldn't he side with the forces of good and just try to kill them when their guard is lowered? Obviously Dracula doesn't have dominion over Galamoth, but this is not to say he could not find a way to destroy him. Mathias was a genius tactician of war, incredibly intelligent, one would doubt if he fears anyone. Didn't Alucard beat Galamoth in SOTN?

Also although non-canon the story you proposed is reminding me of LOS' final chapter where Gabriel fights TF1 in LOS.

Maybe in time Galamoth and time reaper found a way to break free, knowing that Dracula can retain dominance at at given time, resides to hide in a void until the opportune time.
given how Galamoth was harder than Dracula in SoTN, and how in Judgement it required an entire Cast to stop him, I'd say he's grown to be as impossible as LoS' Forbidden one (okay, that was harder than Dracula XX Dracula).

But, of course, this is all theoratical but I think it could be a good direction to go. Dracula is evil, why not just finish him centuries ago? because he is a necessary evil, with the Belmont Clan or VK wielder keeping him in check, balance is kept, because if Dracula goes, something or someone greater may take his place.

[X]

The question is why didn't Dracula kill Galamoth himself,

Because Dracula loves to torture his victims. His methods of impalement were designed fro prolonged suffering without killing the victim in question. Having Galamoth cooped up/locked away in the inverted catacombs, and tormenting him however Dracula sees fit, is far more effective then simply taking his life. If you want to bend something to your will, you must be prepared to break it as well. Dracula I'm sure knows that Galamoth wants to overthrow him. But he's not simply going to allow him to do-so without working for it.

[zangetsu468]

@KaZudra I like those ideas, putting a holistic approach to good/ evil which the Sorrow series started to touch upon. Saved for post 2000 based CV entries.
Galamoth being harder than Dracula is true, but then Dracula as Alucard is harder than Dracula as Richter (in the Prologue) when that is supposedly a centennial resurrection. So I think this is more to do with the player's progress (relatively) and Galamoth being the chosen hardest/ optional boss.

@X I understand that aspect of Dracula's dominance being asserted even though he's Mathias and not Vlad anymore. It's a valid point.

[Super Waffle]

I have a Haunted Castle theory.

You know how in Level 3 or 4, there's that one part where the game just stops and warps you into a bizarre alternate dimension with harpies attacking you? I think that's the universe all of the other Castlevania games take place in.

[X]

It's stage 3 for sure. Yeah that place was rather unique. Simon (so far) is the only Belmont to be taken into such a realm. Maybe that place itself is a tine sliver of the chaotic realm.

[zangetsu468]

It's stage 3 for sure. Yeah that place was rather unique. Simon (so far) is the only Belmont to be taken into such a realm. Maybe that place itself is a tine sliver of the chaotic realm.

That zone looks more like Athens judging by the Architecture.

However, I actually believe it's Dracula's dimension within the Castle.
At the end of HC when Simon walks into the final room to fight Dracula, what flies in? A harpy.
What does that harpy transform into? Dracula form 1. To further back up my point, watch it on YouTube, the warp happens just as Simon approaches a painting of Dracula on the wall.
I think this dimension is the source of Dracula's power.