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Yes, its me overthinking Castlevania's world building again. This idea is related to that earlier thread I made in which I asked why the supernatural is hidden from ordinary people in the Castlevania universe. Since I made that topic I did some thinking about how you could pull off an urban fantasy setting without either giving a weak justification for why knowledge of the supernatural is only limited to a select few individuals or resorting to mass mind rape magic to keep everything under wraps. I then had an interesting thought. The function of Transylvania/Wallachia in the narrative is pretty much like a secondary world. The local populance clearly is aware that supernatural things are happening, yet at the same time, people in other parts of the world (like Japan) are completely oblivious about it. Despite physically being located on earth, Transylvania/Wallachia for all intents and purposes is a "world within a world".

So then I thought to myself: "Why not take this narrative function and actually integrate it into the lore?" A possible way to do that is stating that Transylvania/Wallachia is pretty much completely cut off from the outside world because of extreme geographical barriers (perhaps because the entire country is completely surrounded by an untraversable mountain range). It's probably very contrived that such a large areas like Transylvania and Wallachia would be completely cut off from the rest of Europe but I think it would work well as a justification for why people from outside believe Dracula to be a mere fairtytale figure. It would also still be possible to combine this with the idea that the Church wants to keep everything hush-hush. That already becomes a whole lot more believable with natural barriers preventing information from spreading.

I could write more about this but I'll leave it at this for now. Any thoughts or reasons for why this idea couldn't work?   
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I'd say it is a possibility. But the closer one gets to the 20th century the less likely such natural barriers would be an obstacle. The Carriage Jonathan Harker took in the Dracula novel was able to traverse such barriers. However there is also unusual weather phenomenon in the book that should also be taken into consideration. Dracula is the most powerful being to exist on Earth and therefore has influence in and around Transylvania/Wallachia. The strangest storm on record from the Novel was his doing as was the blinding whiteout in the mountains near his home. I would say it is through a combination of multiple factors that isolate Dracula from the rest of the known world.
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I could write more about this but I'll leave it at this for now. Any thoughts or reasons for why this idea couldn't work?

The entire premise of Dracula's revival itself.

Dracula spends so little time on Earth that he manages to turn into a legend even in Wallachia. Imagine proving to the entire world Dracula is real when not even the people who live around his castle and the destruction he causes can remember him for 100 years. That's the entire premise of his revival cycle, too -- people grow lax on their faith, BOOM, Dracula is back to remind them.

There are games where Dracula exists for the literal whooping count of 10 minutes. How to prove Dracula is not a fairytale when all evidence of his existence is mostly gathered by agents working for the Church (who does NOT want his existence to be made clear)? I'd say that, if Dracula manages to turn into a legend even inside Wallachia, nothing much further can be expected from the rest of the world, really.

Beyond that, a comment on the whole notion of "Wallachia is detached from the rest of the world, hence information about it is hard to obtain":

Eternal Night (and its marching monsters) exists far away from Wallachia, Ecclesia proved its mettle by "fighting the supernatural around the world", Dario Bossi is hunted internationally due to "mysterious fires", the entirety of Bloodlines, Jiang Shi came from the East, Shinto priests know the Amano Iwato myth to be real, the many apparitions of creatures from Greek mythology, weapons from legends from the entire world are real, amongst other stuff that is not constricted to Wallachia.

I'm fairly certain the supernatural exists over the entire world in this universe, so "Wallachia is in reality very hard to reach or leave hence why people think Dracula is a myth" does not sound like a really good rationalization to me when other incredible stuff is happening elsewhere too.

Now, considering that Wallachia is the nexus of Dracula's origin as Dark Lord, plus "cursing of entire land" shenanigans, etc etc, I DO believe things on Wallachia are quite a bit different than in the rest of the world, as you put. So there's a case to be made that, since it's worse, it's therefore "more obvious". But still, it's not like there isn't other fantastic stuff happening outside of Wallachia.

But these are just my own rationalizations, and I have a hunch you thought about these also. I would be interested in reading more.

EDIT: I also find interesting to note that Marcel came from somewhere where monsters do not get much credibility from the press. He has a "hunch" and comes to wherever-Ecclesia-takes-place to confirm his suspicions. Then, when he tries doing a piece on Shanoa, he notices there's a press ban on her. Then he's eventually fired for talking about monsters.

I'd say that the media on this universe is controlled by whoever is trying to keep these things under wraps.
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I didn't mention this in my original post but I didn't mean to suggest supernatural phenomena didn't occur all over the world. Obviously that's the case as Plottwist said and I think can be made believable these occurrences would have flown under the radar of the general populance (if certain criteria are met). Most real world legends about supernatural creatures are usually set in very remote areas like deep in the forest or the mountains. Combine that with the fact that during Medieval times people had a more negative view on nature because of how dangerous it was to venture into the wild and you have a perfect environment for supernatural things to occur and go mostly unnoticed. The Forest of Eternal Night is a perfect example of such an environment.

However, I'd argue that my idea still has some merit considering the sheer amount of overt supernatural stuff that goes down in Wallachia. After all, we know that Dracula pretty much devestated the whole area in 1476 and Grant is even remembered as some kind of national hero for rebuilding all the towns. Obviously there has to be some general awareness that Wallachia had to endure a large-scale monster invasion at some point in its history. I could buy that Dracula's subsequent revivals are shrouded in myth but not that such a large-scale event wouldn't have made it into the history books. It would be like if you had a setting where people somehow believed the Battle of Agincourt and all the major figures involved in it were just a legend.

I think there are also other benefits to my idea aside from justifying the above. For example, it would pretty much impossible for families like the Belmonts to only marry with people who are in on the Masquerade. Therefore it's pretty much impossible to prevent knowledge about their supernatural abilities to spread to their in-laws. Which would mean an ever increasing pool of people for the Church to keep an eye on to make sure they don't spill any secrets. If the entire counry is pretty much on lockdown then that would make it more plausible the Masquerade is still being upheld.

Of course, I understand if my view on what is and isn't realistic is based on opinion.

edit: Sorry if I didn't address any specific points your brought up, Plottwist. This post took a while to write, so I'll address them later.   

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I also find interesting to note that Marcel came from somewhere where monsters do not get much credibility from the press. He has a "hunch" and comes to wherever-Ecclesia-takes-place to confirm his suspicions. Then, when he tries doing a piece on Shanoa, he notices there's a press ban on her. Then he's eventually fired for talking about monsters.

Ah, yes I wanted to bring up the Marcel sidequest, also known as: "that time when Shanoa and Marcel casually broke the masquerade". It's a fun sidequest but whoever came up with probably didn't think through the implications of it. The writing seems a bit inconsistent. There's a total pressban on Shanoa like you said (in the Japanese version Marcel says someone higher up pulled some strings) but apperently there isn't one for taking pictures of monsters. The photos even caused the magazine he's writing for to double in sales. If it's that easy to get information about the supernatural out there then why is the masquerade still in effect during the events of AoS/DoS?         
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If it's that easy to get information about the supernatural out there then why is the masquerade still in effect during the events of AoS/DoS?


I wonder if the people see the masquerade as one of those tabloids magazines. That would explain why Soma thought the story of Dracula was made up.
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If it's that easy to get information about the supernatural out there then why is the masquerade still in effect during the events of AoS/DoS?       

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“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”

When people wake up to a reality that is incompatible with the illusions that keep them comfortable and sane, they reject the truth, and prefer the illusion.

Or, as frumpy old Wikipedia puts it:

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In A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957), Leon Festinger proposed that human beings strive for internal psychological consistency in order to mentally function in the real world. A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. This is done by making changes to justify their stressful behavior, either by adding new parts to the cognition causing the psychological dissonance, or by actively avoiding social situations and/or contradictory information likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance.

Works with perception too. Never underestimate humanity's ability to deny the truth that is right in front of them because they don't want to admit it's there.

The reason the masquerade is still present well into the 21st century is because time and time again, people (not just the Church, but people) saw the truth and decided they wanted no part of it. They chose, as a society, to forget. To rationalize things until the cognitive dissonance was eliminated.

Of course Soma thought Dracula was made up. He grew up among a society that had chosen to believe that. And, as PlotTwist points out, there's so little actual evidence as many of Dracula's resurrections are brief and his death obliterates his castle each time that the rest is easy to cover up if you had the slightest interest in doing so. Between the church, which has a vested interest in keeping people ignorant for their own collective sanity, and people themselves, who would rather be ignorant than live in fear, it's not hard to see how the masquerade manages to keep reestablishing itself.

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If it's that easy to get information about the supernatural out there then why is the masquerade still in effect during the events of AoS/DoS?       

UMA News is the "spiritual evolution" of what Marcel did back in OoE. It proves that the masquerade isn't THAT much in effect anymore. Same goes for Graham performing miracles and having thousands of followers, or him saying that "the truth got out" about Dracula. There ARE people believing this stuff.

At a certain point, the games never denied it's somewhat easy to get info on these creatures. So I'd wager it's much more a case of denial than of impossibility. Also a case of being at the right place at the right time to witness the supernatural (Soma climbing temple stairs at the exact moment of an eclipse). Keep in mind that this is a world where "all religions are real". The Abrahamic god seems to be as real as Amaterasu. As Lumi said, there comes a point where you gotta choose what to believe, and all the rest is denied (these things becoming "demons" or "illusions" or "con artists" etc etc the human mind is really creative when making up excuses).

Also, when you start fictionalizing stuff, it gets discredited. So, like X said, if the truths you expose are made to look like insane ramblings or products of flimsy research, people stop believing you.
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Celia also had no problem attacking Soma and Mina inn broad daylight via her minions.
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Or we can also argue that there is a magical "mist" that distorts the minds of normal humans ala the Percy Jackson book series.

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The reason the masquerade is still present well into the 21st century is because time and time again, people (not just the Church, but people) saw the truth and decided they wanted no part of it. They chose, as a society, to forget. To rationalize things until the cognitive dissonance was eliminated.

Of course Soma thought Dracula was made up. He grew up among a society that had chosen to believe that. And, as PlotTwist points out, there's so little actual evidence as many of Dracula's resurrections are brief and his death obliterates his castle each time that the rest is easy to cover up if you had the slightest interest in doing so. Between the church, which has a vested interest in keeping people ignorant for their own collective sanity, and people themselves, who would rather be ignorant than live in fear, it's not hard to see how the masquerade manages to keep reestablishing itself.

I've seen this explanation getting brought up a lot but I think it doesn't quite work. It's based on the assumption that humans held the same worldview (=the supernatural doesn't exist) for the entirety of their existence. For example, during the Middle Ages the existence of unicorns and basilisks was scientific fact. The reason for this is first of all because both were mentioned in the Bible, the highest source of scientific authority at the time. Secondly, because both appeared in the writings of ancient Greek thinkers which were highly valued as scientific sources. It's wasn't until the scientific revolution and the emergence of humanism that the existence of these creatures became disputed. Going with your explanation creates a weird situation where humanity is perfectly fine at first with believing in the existence of all kinds of magical beings, and then suddenly they are not. That's why I think the "people just don't want to believe" argument doesn't cut it.       

At a certain point, the games never denied it's somewhat easy to get info on these creatures. So I'd wager it's much more a case of denial than of impossibility. Also a case of being at the right place at the right time to witness the supernatural (Soma climbing temple stairs at the exact moment of an eclipse). Keep in mind that this is a world where "all religions are real". The Abrahamic god seems to be as real as Amaterasu. As Lumi said, there comes a point where you gotta choose what to believe, and all the rest is denied (these things becoming "demons" or "illusions" or "con artists" etc etc the human mind is really creative when making up excuses).

This is just my opinion but regarding the deniability argument, doesn't that run counter to history? Like I mentioned above, most of what is regarded today as supernatural was considered to be very much real in the past, up to the point that the existence of certan magical creatures was part of scientific consensus. But then, somehow, people started disbelieving for no particular reason? 

About the religion thing, needless to say religions often clash in real life, but there's no reason for say a Christian, after having seen Odin's horse Sleipnir, to deny its existence just because it's part of a different religious tradition.       

Also, when you start fictionalizing stuff, it gets discredited. So, like X said, if the truths you expose are made to look like insane ramblings or products of flimsy research, people stop believing you.

That might be a viable short-term strategy but once the number of such reports would rise it would become more and more suspicious when these keep being discreted. I think it's fair to say that, in real life, the reason most paranormal happenings are dismissed as insane ramblings or products of flimsy research is because they are insane ramblings or products of flimsy research. I would imagine this isn't the case in an universe in which the supernatural is very much real.

Or we can also argue that there is a magical "mist" that distorts the minds of normal humans ala the Percy Jackson book series.

This is possible but then why the need for press bans and for the Church to cover everything up? Also, how could things "leak out", like Graham said, if something as powerful as the mist is at work? However, it would help explain some of the more severe masquerade breaking events in the series.
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Going with your explanation creates a weird situation where humanity is perfectly fine at first with believing in the existence of all kinds of magical beings, and then suddenly they are not.

But that is how it happens on the CV world, isn't it? Soma doesn't believe supernatural stuff until he has a hands on experience with it, DESPITE the world teeming with this around him. He believes it only when he has NO CHOICE but to believe it.

Also, I personally didn't get that from his explanation. Lumi's only explaining how people cope with holding specific beliefs in a world where everything is real. He's specifically talking about the CV world.

This is just my opinion but regarding the deniability argument, doesn't that run counter to history? Like I mentioned above, most of what is regarded today as supernatural was considered to be very much real in the past, up to the point that the existence of certan magical creatures was part of scientific consensus. But then, somehow, people started disbelieving for no particular reason? 

Of course it doesn't run counter to history. I don't know where in the world you live, but where I live, the supernatural is common sense; Most people believe in stuff such as "miracles" and "prophets". Churches amass thousands of followers. The deeper you go inside a given state, the more ludicrous stories about supernatural sightings become. It's EXTREMELLY rare to find someone who doesn't believe to have seen or interacted with some sort of supernatural phenomena.

The emergence of humanism did jack squat to these people.

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About the religion thing, needless to say religions often clash in real life, but there's no reason for say a Christian, after having seen Odin's horse Sleipnir, to deny its existence just because it's part of a different religious tradition.

lol do you even Christianity? :P

When I say "denial" I don't always mean "the individual completelly refuses X exists". I also mean "the individual interprets that as another thing that better fits what they already believe". So, in a Christian's case: He can see Sleipnir and accept it exists.... But not as Odin's horse, but as an illusion of Satan or a demon from Hell. So, instead of starting to believe that Odin (or at least his horse) is real, this hypothetical Christian will return to his church, share what he saw with his brothers and sisters, and that will become the story of "Joe who saw a demon horse with eight legs" and not of "Joe who saw Sleipnir and found evidence Odin is maybe real".

Risking the biggest fedora-tipping this forum has ever saw: The biggest religions' bread and butter is saying that "that other god/spirit over there" is not real. No matter what you see, it's a lie made up by [respective religion final boss] to make you stray from god's teachings -- the only reality is what their respective holy scripture says. The Bible itself classifies many other gods as demons, for instance.

And in the CV universe that does not seem to be that much different, either... I doubt Juste Belmont ceased to be a Christian after verifying for a fact that Asura and Garuda are real, or Richter ceased to be Christian after verifying for a fact that four chinese animal gods can make you indestructible. How do they both rationalize these phenomena when their belief system says that those shouldn't exist? Hell, in the CV world there is an entire INSTITUTION founded on precepts saying that much of what they see shouldn't even exist.

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That might be a viable short-term strategy but once the number of such reports would rise it would become more and more suspicious when these keep being discreted.

These people are called, on our world, conspiracy theorists. Some conspiracies have thousands of followers -- does nothing to change the status quo. It's obvious that there are many who know the supernatural is real in the CV world -- this would still not be enough to convince others. You might argue that, different from our world, in the CV world you can actually gather evidence, but I raise you this: The theorists of OUR world also have "evidence". What do we do at this evidence? We ignore it.

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I think it's fair to say that, in real life, the reason most paranormal happenings are dismissed as insane ramblings or products of flimsy research is because they are insane ramblings or products of flimsy research. I would imagine this isn't the case in an universe in which the supernatural is very much real.

Except that our world is full of people who will promise you and give their life to prove that the supernatural is real. As I said above, they will bring you evidence that, in their heads, proves their claim beyond a doubt and we will STILL dismiss it.

Consider this: On our world, depending where you live, there is a pretty good chance that you'll be called a madman for believing Climate Change or Evolution, but will receive praise for making some outlandish religious claim ("my amputee son went to the church yesterday and regrew his arm because MIRACLE"). Despite the first being VERY well researched and pretty much beyond the stage of "debate", this is the one who will earn you distrustful glares, not the religious claim.

It's all a matter of "who controls the narrative?", and we know that in the CV world the Church (and the government, after a certain period) do.

Also, never underestimate the power of misinformation tactics.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2018, 01:29:15 AM »
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This is possible but then why the need for press bans and for the Church to cover everything up? Also, how could things "leak out", like Graham said, if something as powerful as the mist is at work? However, it would help explain some of the more severe masquerade breaking events in the series.

Hmmm. if we are basing it on the PJ series, there are some people who can see through the mist (not necessary church folks).

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Re: Is Transylvania/Wallachia in the CV universe more isolated than in reality?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2018, 08:18:12 AM »
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I don't see why this has to be explained. In this day and age in South Africa, as an example,  natives believe in supernatural beings such as the tokoloshe, while non-Africans don't. The two people occupy the same land. In Romania some believe Vampires exist and there are vampire hunters, while some don't and they occupy the same land, etc.
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