Topic: New Castlevania Season

[Holy Diver]

Yeah, I think I'll settle for watching some clips or skipping around for the areas I'm interested in.

Yeah, you're best of just watching fights and such. I mean I did say that I enjoyed most stuff(even if it's inconsistent and flawed) but this really ain't for someone who wants more of "true Castlevania".

[theplottwist]

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I think the best part of watching this season was the fact I did it with friends for the first time. We had a lot of fun. But that's about it, the show itself continued to try too hard to be edgy and adult and all this farcical nonsense until its final breath. The one time a character starts talking something smart, and it drones on and on for so long you'd think the script is parodying the idea of ACTUALLY being deep.

Not once I was surprised whatsoever, the script is predictable and scared shitless of challenging the show's status quo, plot threads that go absolutelly nowhere or have no payoff at all, and again new OC donut steel types that hog so much attention that other arcs hyped-up previously end up crippled, such as Striga's and Morana's. God forbid you say they were trapped in a nothing-plot in some places over the internet - you can't speak ill of vampire mommy Striga and her Dark Souls Berserk armor killing a bunch of farmers and their terrifying pitchforks. It's like the script takes every opportunity to subtly make fun of you. Stealing a friend's observation to make my point: Dracula, a vampire, ends the season sleeping under a huge window where sunlight will shine straight through by morning. It's like the script is calling you stupid to your face.

A spirit that pretends to be Death cussing like a teen was the cherry on top of it all. It's the solidification of everything this show is - a barebones adaptation using swearing as synonym for maturity, thinking itself to be the real deal just because everyone agrees on the name it uses.

Greta is cool, despite being more of the "everyone is sarcastic all the time" trope. The art took levels up that are very noticeable, the artists and art direction continue to deserve honest praise from me.

I have an ocean's worth to say, but I'm beyond patience for it. So I'll stop here. But someday I'll share my compilation of "the writing does everything backwards on purpose and I can prove it" details.

PS: Enjoy your genocidal maniac getting a good ending after spending a month in hell and making zero effort for it, with zero explanation behind that at all!

[Dark Nemesis]

I've just finished watching the last season and all i can say is that it left me confused......many familiar enemies, nice soundtrack, but not what i was expecting to see for a finale.

[Sindra]

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I think the best part of watching this season was the fact I did it with friends for the first time. We had a lot of fun. But that's about it, the show itself continued to try too hard to be edgy and adult and all this farcical nonsense until its final breath. The one time a character starts talking something smart, and it drones on and on for so long you'd think the script is parodying the idea of ACTUALLY being deep.

Not once I was surprised whatsoever, the script is predictable and scared shitless of challenging the show's status quo, plot threads that go absolutelly nowhere or have no payoff at all, and again new OC donut steel types that hog so much attention that other arcs hyped-up previously end up crippled, such as Striga's and Morana's. God forbid you say they were trapped in a nothing-plot in some places over the internet - you can't speak ill of vampire mommy Striga and her Dark Souls Berserk armor killing a bunch of farmers and their terrifying pitchforks. It's like the script takes every opportunity to subtly make fun of you. Stealing a friend's observation to make my point: Dracula, a vampire, ends the season sleeping under a huge window where sunlight will shine straight through by morning. It's like the script is calling you stupid to your face.

A spirit that pretends to be Death cussing like a teen was the cherry on top of it all. It's the solidification of everything this show is - a barebones adaptation using swearing as synonym for maturity, thinking itself to be the real deal just because everyone agrees on the name it uses.

Greta is cool, despite being more of the "everyone is sarcastic all the time" trope. The art took levels up that are very noticeable, the artists and art direction continue to deserve honest praise from me.

I have an ocean's worth to say, but I'm beyond patience for it. So I'll stop here. But someday I'll share my compilation of "the writing does everything backwards on purpose and I can prove it" details.

PS: Enjoy your genocidal maniac getting a good ending after spending a month in hell and making zero effort for it, with zero explanation behind that at all!

You hit a lot of points I didn't even bother going into. The entire show has been "cursing and sex as a indicator it's 'mature'" since the beginning with the goat fucking. That's how Ellis works and damned if he was going to change things for this show. I actually had someone recently leave a comment on one of my vids asking me why I hated all the sex and cursing, and didn't take "because it's all just fluff in place of substance" as a good enough answer.

Also, all the plot holes:

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- Was Varney really just Death this entire time? Because Saint Germain said he'd heard of Varney prior to their meeting and he seemed to have a reputation.
- When the vampire witches are stitching together the rebis body, we see body parts they're using, including a severed ar with the same red/black twist ring that the Styria queens have to control Hector. It even got a candid shot. Is this supposed to mean something?
- How did Dracula and Lisa come back without bodies? Or come back at all?
- How did Trevor just....survive for 2 weeks after being spit out from the Infinite Corridor and also get a horse, and also get back to the castle?
- Death has had access to the Infinite Corridor this whole time? But needed a human to open it in order to get Dracula back to Earth? HUH?!

[Flame]

You hit a lot of points I didn't even bother going into. The entire show has been "cursing and sex as a indicator it's 'mature'" since the beginning with the goat fucking. That's how Ellis works and damned if he was going to change things for this show. I actually had someone recently leave a comment on one of my vids asking me why I hated all the sex and cursing, and didn't take "because it's all just fluff in place of substance" as a good enough answer.

Also, all the plot holes:

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- Was Varney really just Death this entire time? Because Saint Germain said he'd heard of Varney prior to their meeting and he seemed to have a reputation.
- When the vampire witches are stitching together the rebis body, we see body parts they're using, including a severed ar with the same red/black twist ring that the Styria queens have to control Hector. It even got a candid shot. Is this supposed to mean something?
- How did Dracula and Lisa come back without bodies? Or come back at all?
- How did Trevor just....survive for 2 weeks after being spit out from the Infinite Corridor and also get a horse, and also get back to the castle?
- Death has had access to the Infinite Corridor this whole time? But needed a human to open it in order to get Dracula back to Earth? HUH?!

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-Im pretty sure it's implied that yes, Death was Varney the whole time. In other words, him being death took all of his boasting throughout the season and actually backed it up. He's just an insanely old vampire, bordering on spirit of nature, that has existed so long he doesnt even feed on blood anymore, he feeds on the very essence of death itself. But nobody was aware that Varney was actually the Death spirit some cultures worshipped.
-I noticed that. I figure it was probably a detail that made sense to the studio when storyboarding, since they did all the in house of what things do in this universe, but they forgot you need to payoff if you show something. Mightve been to control the rebis, mightve been something else. Im not sure that we are ever told just how much the Vampires St Germain is working with are aware of Varney/Death's actual plan.
-¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they did it solely for sequel hook reasons, and if they ever do more, then i'm sure they might handwave some explanation.
-dumb luck that he didnt die from his injuries. Also bad writing. 2 weeks with implied no medical treatment? He shouldve died. Wouldve made more sense if he returned partially healed already, having been taken care of somewhere.
-he had access to the infinite corridor, but not access to hell. that was part of his small rant to St Germain. That only Humans can reach into the afterlife.

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you can't speak ill of vampire mommy Striga and her Dark Souls Berserk armor killing a bunch of farmers and their terrifying pitchforks.

hah! that's right, I forgot about that. That came out of nowhere and while amusing in a "hey I understood that reference" kind of way, didn't amount to anything that couldn't have been done at night just the same.

[Shinobi]

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- How did Dracula and Lisa come back without bodies? Or come back at all?
- How did Trevor just....survive for 2 weeks after being spit out from the Infinite Corridor and also get a horse, and also get back to the castle?

My thoughts:

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-The body vessel constructed by the witches wasn't complete destroyed but splitted into two by Trevor making them separated and formed.
-We can say how St. Germain's beloved is still alive while still stucked in infinite corridor for years. Maybe while someone is inside of Infinite Corridor your body including age, condition, etc. will remain the same until you get out.

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The only plothole I found was:

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Why is there a human residers in Carmilla's castle during Isaac's invasion? Did they let them in thinking it was safe?

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The only plothole I found was:

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Why is there a human residers in Carmilla's castle during Isaac's invasion? Did they let them in thinking it was safe?

we have seen before that vampires like dracula often have human misanthropes in their employ. (like the forgemasters) so maybe this was something like that.

[Shinobi]

we have seen before that vampires like dracula often have human misanthropes in their employ. (like the forgemasters) so maybe this was something like that.

Well you are talking about forgemasters which is more powerful and useful for a vampire lord but those common and very weak humans in Carmilla's castle?

[SecretWeapon]

The only plothole I found was:

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Why is there a human residers in Carmilla's castle during Isaac's invasion? Did they let them in thinking it was safe?

Striga and Morana say they hired humans and that given that they probably died in the attack, the western nations will need mercs

[Reinhart77]

I enjoyed the season greatly.  A bit disappointed at all the deviations from what you’d expect from playing the game, but I guess at least it wasn’t predictable that way.  A good ride for the most part.  Some of the changes in expected outcomes were nice at least.  I hope whoever is writing the next series has the right stuff to keep the new fans this series has drawn in and keep the gamer fans happy.

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I kept thinking the Dracula/Lisa hybrid thing might lead to an origin story of Dracula’s Bat Soul + Succubus Soul + Fire Demon Soul fusion nature found in Aria of Sorrow.  Maybe it was inspired by that at least.

Loved it when Gergoth showed up.  Seeing three heros team up against it gave me great Harmony of Despair flashbacks.

I was so hoping the new village would be named Wygol.  Well, maybe now that they know Trevor’s not dead they’ll opt not to call it Belmont.

As for Grant, I’m thinking they just took elements of Grant and sprinkled him all over the series to different characters.  So that desert bandit boss who got turned into a creature by Isaac was one aspect of Grant, the pirate of the roads was another aspect, and Greta of Danasty yet another aspect.  Isaac’s newfound determination to rebuild in a post-Dracula world also struck me as Grant inspired.  Maybe a few more that I haven’t picked up on too.  Too bad Trevor doesn’t get a best friend out of any of those “Grants” and we don’t see a throwing knife expert.

[Shiroi Koumori]

If you skipped season 3, you might as well skip season 4 also.

Thanks! I'm skipping this then.
I will just wait for Trese to get my supernatural fix.

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You know, one thing I tend to really wonder about is what they'll do with the castle going down the road. that is *the* dracula's castle. yet now it's just there, and in Alucard's control. if they decide to bring back Dracula as an antagonist, (which they probably will sooner or later) what will they do? have him make a new castle? reclaim the one now owned by Alucard?

I figure something really doable would be have him reclaim his castle through dark magic fuckery, and then at the end of the adventure, have the heroes find a way to destroy it, which then can be made as a "the castle rises with dracula" kind of deal.

[JR]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but one thing that kind of irks me about Grant's absence is that there was a good handful of original characters created for this show. Keeping that in mind, how hard could it have been to include one of the main characters from the game? I mean, if it was so hard to have a 4th protagonist included in this show, I'm not sure why they didn't just go with Symphony as their timeline. Then they could've had Richter/Alucard/Maria instead of Sypha/Alucard/Trevor. It just seems like a cop out to use Dracula's Curse as the basis for the show without including all of the characters, especially when there's no shortage of stories from the timeline that they could've used. It was one of those things that didn't bother me before the show aired. But after seeing Greta, Lenore, Striga, Varney, Godbrand, the weird sex siblings, etc., made specifically for the show, it definitely seemed like there easily could've been room for Grant if they really wanted to.

[Flame]

Sometimes I genuinely wonder if the shafting of Grant consistently, isn't some sort of edict from konami on character usage. Like, for whatever reason you're not allowed to use Grant because they constantly want to refocus on Trevor, (main character Belmont) Alucard, (fangirl bait, "cool factor" bait) and Sypha. (sex appeal, cute appeal) and in that kind of strategy, Grant is the odd man out, so they just cut him and give him token mentions at best, and dont let him be fully used.

[theplottwist]

Sometimes I genuinely wonder if the shafting of Grant consistently, isn't some sort of edict from konami on character usage. Like, for whatever reason you're not allowed to use Grant because they constantly want to refocus on Trevor, (main character Belmont) Alucard, (fangirl bait, "cool factor" bait) and Sypha. (sex appeal, cute appeal) and in that kind of strategy, Grant is the odd man out, so they just cut him and give him token mentions at best, and dont let him be fully used.

Ellis has consistently demonstrated a dislike for Grant, and there is a recent interview with Kolde saying that they decided to not using Grant at all. If Konami has an edict, Powerhouse/Ellis did a pretty good job at not only hiding it, but also indicating it was their decision all along.

Here's another example of interview: https://screenrant.com/castlevania-season-4-interview-kevin-kolde/

I feel I should also point out how curious is that they keep denying any Grant reading from the fans' part. Whenever a character appears that may be or not Grant, they feel the need to do an interview later clarifying it is not. So they don't do actual Grant, and also won't let you have him either. First was the bandit Isaac turns into a monster, then it was nameless Captain on season 3, now it's Greta of Danesti. The single recognized Grant reference was a "pirate of the roads" strawman Ellis made up to make fun of Grant fans, something he admited on his own.

Still, it was inevitable they'd toy with a more popular characters beyond the "niche" one eventually. It was interesting to see how some opinions changed when questionable writing reached them.

Also, just a bit more about this whole Danesti converstation:

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Kolde reiterates Ellis' justification, that there is a town called Danesti and Grant may have been named after it. They keep coming with convoluted rationalizations to imply Grant's existence is meaningless, and that makes me think they have something against the character. It's impossible at this point that they don't know that House Danesti was a political enemy of House Draculesti, which Vlad belonged to, giving the name a much more important historical role than a "town name". So I'm forced to conclude they just think the character is crap and want to downplay him.

They could be more forthcoming about it, saying they just don't want Grant here would be OK. But no, they do this:

"It was not our intention to do a Grant reference. We're just referencing a location in a country."

...When they could have referenced any other town that is not literally the name of the most requested character to show up. Doesn't this feel like some kind of prodding? I'm aware my being soured on this show may be coloring my perception, but they give me no reason to change it.

Why do they do this is?