Topic: St. Germain & 1999

[crisis]

Wat do you all think St. Germain’s role In 1999 would’ve been? We do know that he cannot, or will not, interfere in the physical plane of events. It appears he can only make his presence known at specific locations but with limited influence & interaction with people. He seemed like a semi-important character

It appears that IGA had planned for him to return but for what purpose exactly since he can’t really do anything? I don’t get it

[Dracula9]

i could say many things about this

but i'm not allowed to

[zangetsu468]

My take was that SG is that he is purely an observer (which he states during CoD) here's why: After fighting Hector several times, he feels a new destiny flowing from within him (he doesn't end up killing Isaac). Isaac then becomes Dracula's "vessel" for resurrection. Although Hector's destiny has been altered, there's no guarantee the overall events of the timeline (aside from Hector & Julia shackling up) changing whatsoever. SG can manipulate time, it's limited to hubs of space such as where he fights with Hector eg the top of the Eneomaos Machine Tower. Knowing him he would've fought with Julius for his own entertainment, commented on his power and moved on to observe. 

[X]

Pretty much what zangestu468 said. St. Germain is a time traveller, and therefore is not allowed to act in any way that results in changes to the timeline which could/would effect the future. He may only observe. That was why he wasn't going to tell Hector everything he wanted to know as it would risk changing events that have already been written -at least from St. Germain's perspective.

[Nagumo]

My interpretation is that he isn't allowed to interfere in anyway under normal circumstances. However, because Death was already meddling with the timeline, he was trying to set things right by trying to talk Hector out of pursuing Isaac, while at the same time trying to reveal as little as possible.

[X]

Except when is Death not meddling?

[Shiroi Koumori]

I just see him as an observer and only appears when he knows he won't mess up the timeline.
Maybe he is the writer of all the events that we were playing.

[zangetsu468]

I just see him as an observer and only appears when he knows he won't mess up the timeline.
Maybe he is the writer of all the events that we were playing.

Speaking of writing, I still believe the text left by the sage Eneomaos is SG.

[crisis]

so do you guys think him in 1999 was there to ensure Dracula being destroyed? How exactly could he help Julius if he can’t interact? Was there going to be something that would’ve ENSURED Dracula’s victory, thus he had to warn Julius, Alucard, etc. what to do so the timeline wouldn’t have been altered thus changing the destiny of the characters? Does that make sense?

Cuz why else would he be there if he didn’t have a specific reason/purpose

[X]

I think St. Germain was present in 1999 in order to properly record the history of events accurately. Just so that people of his time can know the truth of what happened without filling in the blanks with conjecture and guess-work. There wouldn't be any need to interfere as Julius Belmont is there to stop Dracula. And -so far- a Belmont has always succeeded.

[zangetsu468]

so do you guys think him in 1999 was there to ensure Dracula being destroyed? How exactly could he help Julius if he can’t interact? Was there going to be something that would’ve ENSURED Dracula’s victory, thus he had to warn Julius, Alucard, etc. what to do so the timeline wouldn’t have been altered thus changing the destiny of the characters? Does that make sense?

Cuz why else would he be there if he didn’t have a specific reason/purpose

Because he's an observer, like those bald dudes in Fringe. His existence isn't linear, he is there in order to witness critical periods in history as his "superiors" see fit. He is able to alter minor events without changing the trajectory of history itself. For example, he isn't allowed to take Trevor's life the way Isaac tried to. He only seems to intervene when there's another 'divine being' (Zed/ Death) at play and even then it's indirect at best. He seemed interested to see the outcome of Dracula vs Humanity in 1999. Think of him as a divine historiographer.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

Honestly I get kind of a Time Lord vibe from him, like Doctor Who. Normally, events are "fixed points" that he can only observe, but if something supernatural "unmoors" it, like Death attempting to meddle in the timeline, he can intervene and attempt to course correct so long as it's indirect, doesn't do further "damage", and largely restores history to how it's supposed to be. In fact, I would surmise that's actually his greater purpose, though he's likely not aware of it. Whatever his ultimate purpose, he seems to regard himself as a "tourist" who lends a helping hand if he absolutely must.

Curse of Darkness raises a few implications through him though: one is that Hector was originally supposed to be Dracula's vessel in a historical sense. Obviously that was Death's plan all along, but Saint Germaine seems to have come from a timeline where it actually happened, hence he tries to dissuade Hector in all the ways he feels he can and not break his own rules. Listening to his dialog again, it's pretty clear he expects his attempts to change Hector's course to fail -- so either he thinks his rules won't allow him to do enough or this is not the first time he's tried. It's obvious he expects to fail though, given the amount of surprise in his voice and expression when he doesn't.

The other interesting implication is that Death is also apparently meddling in history, as his conversation with Germaine implies a history of moves and countermoves between the two of them against each other. There's history there, for certain. But this trait of his never comes up again, so it's possible that Zead isn't the version of Death who is "native" to the 1400's.

My personal read on this (and bear in mind that I say this without a shred of damn evidence; it just seems to fit the situation and dialog to my eyes) is that Zead is Death at the very end of his own personal timeline, going back to where he views history as having gone "wrong" and trying to fix it, paradoxes be damned.

Just like Skynet sending back Terminators earlier and earlier in its attempts to remove John Connor from the equation, which prompts the Resistance to send protectors back further and further, Death has been sending himself backwards further and further in an attempt to create his ideal version of history wherein Dracula's ultimate defeat is averted. But his meddling also attracts guys like Saint Germaine (it may even be him each time) who seem to invariably screw up Future!Death's machinations, while people in each time period by and large don't seem capable of noticing the battle between these two forces (ironically also fitting into the Doctor Who analogy. Said of the Time War: "Devastating to the higher races, but invisible to those below"), probably mistaking Future!Death for his present day counterpart and altogether failing to notice Saint Germaine because he hasn't needed to involve himself that heavily.

Given, that's just how I've come to see things. It's what makes sense to me: that Death's attempt to change history in 1479 is the last great push to avoid 1999's defeat of Dracula. With Hector's salvation, Dracula is ultimately doomed, and Death finally seems to give up.

No real evidence for any of this, mind, but it's one hell of a story that fits what's described in Curse of Darkness, helped along by the fact that not much is described at all in the first place.

If a 1999 game had ever been made, I'm pretty sure my explanation would have been thoroughly jossed. There's probably already some super obscure comic or light novel that never left Japan that does that anyway -- there always seems to be one doing exactly that.

[theplottwist]

There's probably already some super obscure comic or light novel that never left Japan that does that anyway -- there always seems to be one doing exactly that.

Awfully pessimistic

[gallandryal]

Maybe he is the writer of all the events that we were playing.

This very insteresting. Actually makes a lot of sense.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

This very insteresting. Actually makes a lot of sense.

I would love it if it turned out to be that super meta. Just once.