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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2016, 11:31:49 AM »
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I'd love to, but Konami doesn't care about translating their stuff into English anymore. Or even making the Japanese version available.

Goddammit son, Shiroi does what Konamidon't.
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2016, 11:40:22 AM »
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But I still think Death was a factor in Lisa being killed. After all Isaac is essentially his human equivalent in Curse of Darkness: Isaac was similarly loyal to Dracula, and Hector's best friend and confidante. He clearly valued having Hector around, and not just as an asset to use. But he still threw the first stone at Rosalie, as it were, when he felt Hector was getting soft, causing Rosalie to be burned as a witch, which is also how Lisa died. Almost to a T.

I don't doubt that Death is a good friend around Dracula, and probably truly values his presence and partnership, but really, he's routinely shown to be one of the most evil characters in the series. Never make an assumption about a force you know to be dyed-in-the-wool evil, unless that assumption is "he's totally going to be picking on people smaller and more helpless than him for any or no reason." That's kind of the calling card of evil.

Except that he isn't only a friend but purely loyal to him as a servant, opposite to Isaac that is human and doesn't have any sort of pact with Hector. Maybe after reading you will understand better, if not we atleast can agree at disagree.

Goddammit son, Shiroi does what Konamidon't.

And I thinking that it was common sense, thanks plot.
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2016, 12:07:34 PM »
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Who is the author of the original novel? I want to beat him to death for his mad writing style. I've read some translations of Japanese novels before but holy crap that was just terribly written. I'm not even talking plot (although that was plenty bad too, imo), but just... the structure and flow offend me on about every level a written work can. I'm sure Shiroi did as best as was possible with the translation, but a great translation doesn't matter if the source work is terrible. Can we just rewind everything to before that book was written?

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How not to be a dark lord: the answer to that is a terribly interesting answer that involves an almost Jedi-like adherence to keeping oneself under control and finding ways to be true to yourself in a way that doesn't encourage the worst parts of you to become dangerously exaggerated and instead feeds your better nature. Also, protip: don't fuck with Alchemy or strike up any deals with ancient Japanese Shinigami gods no matter how tempting the deal or how suavely dressed the Shinigami is.

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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2016, 12:29:04 PM »
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Who is the author of the original novel? I want to beat him to death for his mad writing style. I've read some translations of Japanese novels before but holy crap that was just terribly written. I'm not even talking plot (although that was plenty bad too, imo), but just... the structure and flow offend me on about every level a written work can. I'm sure Shiroi did as best as was possible with the translation, but a great translation doesn't matter if the source work is terrible. Can we just rewind everything to before that book was written?

Damn, where'd I put that brain bleach?

As I said two days ago -- it was so difficult for me to understand that novel that I simply gave up on translating it. Some times you can barely discern who is saying what. Even after fully understanding it (after reading it like one million times) I didn't went back to translate it xD

But well, it's the best we have. I asked Shiroi why it was written like that, what the brackets meant, etc etc, and she said that this is how the novel is written. So it must be quite weird even in japanese.

This novel was overseen by IGA and written by Ryohgo Narita, and apparently, this guy is kinda huge in Japan.
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2016, 01:03:13 PM »
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It was bad enough that I regret reading it.

Damn. Easier to just ignore it even happened, like we do with that fourth season of Torchwood that ABSOLUTELY DID NOT HAPPEN NO SIR.
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2016, 01:12:18 PM »
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...There was a fourth season to Torchwood?


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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2016, 01:22:05 PM »
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...There was a fourth season to Torchwood?

No, there was never EVER a season made by Starz Entertainment that absolutely ruined everything and broke continuity with the entire Doctor Who universe at large and was so bad that John Barrowman disowned the franchise. No sir.

Never happened.
How not to be a dark lord: the answer to that is a terribly interesting answer that involves an almost Jedi-like adherence to keeping oneself under control and finding ways to be true to yourself in a way that doesn't encourage the worst parts of you to become dangerously exaggerated and instead feeds your better nature. Also, protip: don't fuck with Alchemy or strike up any deals with ancient Japanese Shinigami gods no matter how tempting the deal or how suavely dressed the Shinigami is.

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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2016, 03:58:32 PM »
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@Lely, fyi Bloody Rayne originally spoke about Elisabetha being killed by Death and not Lisa. They're 2 different people living in 2 different eras.
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2016, 05:33:08 PM »
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@Lely, fyi Bloody Rayne originally spoke about Elisabetha being killed by Death and not Lisa. They're 2 different people living in 2 different eras.

Read more and you will see that he also mentioning Lisa after that. Even the quotes show that. Elisabetha died to a disease and Lisa has been killed, I know that. I've mentioned Lisa only when he said that "Lisa has been killed". :)

Now about the novel, I understood it after my first read although reading again could be good to engrave it better in my memory. I think it was easy because some visual novels have writing like this one. Just ignore that the symbols [] exists and remember that if you read something like that > "is because someone is talking, like me right now". If a text lacks a "" it is because someone is thinking or the narrator is talking to you. :P
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2016, 06:38:28 PM »
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I understood I just interpreted your first response was regarding Elisabetha. Sorry my bad :)
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2016, 09:41:56 PM »
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I understood I just interpreted your first response was regarding Elisabetha. Sorry my bad :)

That is okay :P
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2016, 12:47:43 AM »
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Just ignore that the symbols [] exists and remember that if you read something like that > "is because someone is talking, like me right now". If a text lacks a "" it is because someone is thinking or the narrator is talking to you. :P

Yup. That is how you go with it. I was originally planning to ignore the brackets and just translate it as plain as possible but I've decided against it since the work would lose the touch of the author. I actually never had trouble understanding the novel from the start.

If you think this is bad, Densha Otoko (Train Man) would be crazy! Kudos to the translators!

I am currently reading "Cantarella -Forbidden Love is Poison-" (I ain't translating this) and I've noticed that Japanese novels have this knack for letting the reader decide who speaks. It is not the same of English novels when the author tends to guide you. Japanese authors just assume their reading audience can follow.
I might get the courage to read my copies of Senbonzakura 1-4, ACUTE, and REACT, to see if my observation is applicable to those too, but the thickness of the books.... >_<

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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2016, 01:15:02 AM »
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since the work would lose the touch of the author.

THE AUTHOR HAD A TOUCH TO BEGIN WITH?!

 :o

In other news, how about that time that Death totally played Juste for a sucker, eh? "Yes, I am the big scary Grim Reaper and I can totally destroy you, but instead I'll leave you with a cryptic quote that will make you want to gather information (for me, but I'm totally not telling you that part)!"

And it worked like a charm. Juste does all the recon for Death and old cloak-'n-scythe never had to lift a single bony digit. He made out like a bandit that time.
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Re: Let's talk about how much of a magnificent bastard Death is
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2016, 01:54:36 AM »
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Yeah, Death is really lazy for sure, must be his age... ;D
In Portrait he was lazy too, but I think you already mentioned it.

There's also that scene in HoD where you almost save Lydie but Death "cheats" and gets her before you, like in Legend of Kage for NES. I think that the only game that lets you do something in a similar situation is Super Metroid, but if you win Ridley almost drops the flask, but catches it again and flee (without baby metroid hearing the alarm of your suit, making the next scene where you encounters it lose part of its meaning, but yeah).
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