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Title: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 03:04:15 PM
Knock us dead buddy!
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Post by: DingusBelmondo on September 30, 2010, 03:04:36 PM
What classic enemies appear!!!!
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 30, 2010, 03:04:48 PM
I love you man <3  ;D
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 03:05:06 PM
Bosses

Any unique weapon changes?...

Will we get ice whip, etc..etc?

Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on September 30, 2010, 03:11:23 PM
Beastiary plz?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
I debated on starting a new thread here, but glad you guys did it for me LOL. It will take a min to catch up to all the posts so bear with me. Here ya go...and 1 last warning for MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW:





- As for classic enemies, there are the usual skeletons, werewolves, wargs, zombies, ghouls, etc. 19 total Major Boss Battles, and many mid-level type mini bosses too. Unfortunately there aren't many other "classic" CV monsters. This is definately new territory enemy-wise.

- The Combat Cross was made by Rinoldo Gandolfi for use by the Brotherhood of Light. Gabriel chose it personally as his weapon. Over the years Rinoldo kept modifying it so it can do different things (rappel, swing, etc.) He also modified it with a stake at the bottom of it for better use in close-quarters combat. Because of the stake, the Combat Cross earned the nickname "Vampire Killer"
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 30, 2010, 03:15:08 PM
I LOVED that part  :D
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:16:48 PM
Beastiary plz?

From the Guide...

Lesser Lycanthrope
Greater Lycanthrope
Warg
Great Warg
Goblin
Naiad (swamp creatre/fishman)
Swamp Troll
Small Troll
Cave Troll
Ice Titan
Giant Spider
Warthog
Gremlin
Stone Idol Titan
Black Knight Golem
Cornell
Lycanthrope Dark Lord
Ogre
Chupacabras
Swordmaster
Crow Witch Malphas
Witch Child
Ghoul
Vampire Warrior
Animated Armor
Lieutenant Brauner
Commander Olrox
Skeleton Warrior
Mandragora
Evil Butcher
Mechanical Monstrosity
Deadly Toys
Carmilla
Vampire Dark Lord
Headless Burrower
Scarecrow
Creeping Corpse
Creeping Coffin
The Silver Warrior
Zombie
Gravedigger
Reaper
Necromancer
Dracolich Titan
Satan (Final Boss)
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
- The Combat Cross was made by Rinoldo Gandolfi for use by the Brotherhood of Light. Gabriel chose it personally as his weapon. Over the years Rinoldo kept modifying it so it can do different things (rappel, swing, etc.) He also modified it with a stake at the bottom of it for better use in close-quarters combat. Because of the stake, the Combat Cross earned the nickname "Vampire Killer"
Ok, that is just really cool.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on September 30, 2010, 03:18:45 PM
Beastiary nearly gave me a heart attack. ;D
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 03:20:06 PM
Reaper
Necromancer
Dracolich Titan
Satan (Final Boss)
WAT

Dracula is Satan?!
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 03:22:12 PM
WAT

Dracula is Satan?!

Clarification on this thunderbrand


is vampire dark lord = DRACULA?


Is satan that guy he's fighting in the TGS trailer who is naked with black mist around his private parts..lol
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on September 30, 2010, 03:24:52 PM
Carmilla is the vampire dark lord(don't know why they didn't call her lady instead).
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 03:26:03 PM
Carmilla is the vampire dark lord(don't know why they didn't call her lady instead).

How do you know this?

Carmilla is listed in it as just that carmillia.

Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:26:07 PM
Clarification on this thunderbrand


is vampire dark lord = DRACULA?


Is satan that guy he's fighting in the TGS trailer who is naked with black mist around his private parts..lol

Satan is the mastermind behind the whole thing. He's trying to regain entry to Heaven. Remember in the trailer how it said no soul can reach Heaven and are trapped? Satan is the reason behind that. The Guide isn't exactly clear if he is the 3rd Lord of Shadow or if it's one of the Necromancers. There is another character, the Lord of the Dead, who is listed in the guide but you don't fight him.

As for Dracula, there is no mention of him in the game. However, the guide does NOT describe the cutscenes or any of the dialogue. It does NOT describe the ending either. So Dracula could be mentioned in the game but the guide dosen't say if he is or not. He might be part of the DLC too, who knows.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 03:27:08 PM
Satan is the mastermind behind the whole thing. He's trying to regain entry to Heaven. Remember in the trailer how it said no soul can reach Heaven and are trapped? Satan is the reason behind that. The Guide isn't exactly clear if he is the 3rd Lord of Shadow or if it's one of the Necromancers. There is another character, the Lord of the Dead, who is listed in the guide but you don't fight him.

As for Dracula, there is no mention of him in the game. However, the guide does NOT describe the cutscenes or any of the dialogue. It does NOT describe the ending either. So Dracula could be mentioned in the game but the guide dosen't say if he is or not. He might be part of the DLC too, who knows.

Oh snap..No dracula in this game.

He's probably part of the ending...the video they showed in the gameplay trailer.

Call me shocked but I'm surprised David Cox left dracula out as a boss..considering he loves Super castlevania...etc..etc.. You would think he's be faithful to the original and try to replicate those core things.. ( i.e. Gaibon...dracula...etc)

Not to say I'm not happy with this biblical tale, i just hoped to kick DRACULAZ arse in this..
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:28:54 PM
Carmilla's 2nd form is the Vampire Dark Lord
Cornell's 2nd form is the Lycanthrope Dark Lord

The are the first 2 Lords of Shadow...but they used to be 2 of the 3 founders of the Brotherhood of Light. They intended to sacrifice their physical bodies in order to become spiritual beings and fight God's wars against evil. But they were decieved and became the founding members of the LoS.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
Carmilla's 2nd form is the Vampire Dark Lord
Cornell's 2nd form is the Lycanthrope Dark Lord

The are the first 2 Lords of Shadow...but they used to be 2 of the 3 founders of the Brotherhood of Light. They intended to sacrifice their physical bodies in order to become spiritual beings and fight God's wars against evil. But they were decieved and became the founding members of the LoS.

So no lightning whip...or different type of whips?

What kind of items, relics can you get in this game?


I really have a feeling Satan becomes dracula.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 03:35:08 PM
I really have a feeling Satan becomes dracula.
That's what I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Ascension on September 30, 2010, 03:35:48 PM
I thought there were 4 titans?  Or did I misread something?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:42:25 PM
So no lightning whip...or different type of whips?

What kind of items, relics can you get in this game?


I really have a feeling Satan becomes dracula.

No different type of whips, but it seems like the Combat Cross is upgradable. (I don't think you start out with the stake, spiked chain or hook tip on it for example.) You can do a ton of attacks/combos with it, all different types depending on if you use Light or Shadow relics. You can also collect Holy Water, Daggers and Fairies. All can be used in multiple ways when combined with Light/Shadow Magic relics. You can also find Dark Crystals, which is another weapon that unleashes a demon to attack enemies (think Alucard Shield/Shield Rod in SotN).

Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 03:43:05 PM
What are the sub weapons in this game?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 03:43:46 PM
No different type of whips, but it seems like the Combat Cross is upgradable. (I don't think you start out with the stake, spiked chain or hook tip on it for example.) You can do a ton of attacks/combos with it, all different types depending on if you use Light or Shadow relics. You can also collect Holy Water, Daggers and Fairies. All can be used in multiple ways when combined with Light/Shadow Magic relics. You can also find Dark Crystals, which is another weapon that unleashes a demon to attack enemies (think Alucard Shield/Shield Rod in SotN).



Any relics?

Or items to find?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: e105beta on September 30, 2010, 03:43:54 PM
What are the unlockables?

I already know there's a Solid Eye and headband.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:43:58 PM
I thought there were 4 titans?  Or did I misread something?

There's 3: Ice, Stone, and the Dracolich.

As for whether or not Satan becomes Dracula or if Dracula even appears, the guide dosen't say. It takes you right up to the end of the battle with Satan and then says "enjoy the awesome ending cinematic and the prize that follows the credits."
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
I think we saw the Dracolich in the Kojima trailer. Does the finale of the game take place in Castlevania?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Apolake on September 30, 2010, 03:52:20 PM
Carmilla's 2nd form is the Vampire Dark Lord
Cornell's 2nd form is the Lycanthrope Dark Lord

They are the first 2 Lords of Shadow...but they used to be 2 of the 3 founders of the Brotherhood of Light. They intended to sacrifice their physical bodies in order to become spiritual beings and fight God's wars against evil. But they were deceived and became the founding members of the LoS.

The trailers make sense now.  That makes Zobek's role in the game highly suspect, but again, that isn't new news isn't it?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:52:37 PM
What are the unlockables?

I already know there's a Solid Eye and headband.

That's a little hard to follow actually. There are 4 difficulty modes and each one unlocks something else. For example Paladin difficulty is not unlocked until you beat an entire Chapter in Knight mode. It does say that you can change the difficulty level before each level though. Every level in every Chapter has a special challenge that's unlocked by completing the level in any mode. The challenge is called a "Trial" and the details appear in the Travel Book. You can complete 100% of each level but only after the Trials are completed in Knight or Paladin mode and have collected all the hidden items & upgrades in that level. So even if you know the trial details beforehand and accomplish those tasks the 1st time through a level, you will not "accomplish" the trial.

Sounds complicated LOL

- 80% of the Artwork and concept art must be purchased using EP. The other 20% is unlocked through normal progression of the story. The art is viewable in the Extras menu.
- Once you beat the game the 1st time, you have the option for Gabriel to appear in a Solid Snake costume.
- After the 1st level the Combat Display option becomes available. When turned on, it shows a bunch of stats on screen (Exp, enemies' health bars, combat damage, etc.)
- Vampire Wargame is unlocked when you beat Laura's little game in Chapter 6, Castle Hall. You can skip this part of the game when playing through, but if you do then this wont be unlocked.
- ****The Konami code enables cheat mode, but it will deactivate all your saved games. So DON'T use cheat mode until you've beaten the game and dont care about losing your saves.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:54:10 PM
Any relics?

Or items to find?

Most of the relics are Light/Shadow Magic relics which give you new attacks/abilities. There are a handful of important items to find that will enhance your abilities but they are dropped after defeating bosses.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 03:55:06 PM
I think we saw the Dracolich in the Kojima trailer. Does the finale of the game take place in Castlevania?

No. There are several levels you go through AFTER the castle. The finale takes place in an area called The Necromancer's Abyss.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 03:58:08 PM
That's pretty awesome actually, out of Castlevania and into Hell itself. :D
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on September 30, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
The trailers make sense now.  That makes Zobek's role in the game highly suspect, but again, that isn't new news isn't it?

Guess we know who that guy was in the robe in the new gameplay trailer is then.

and btw I CALLED IT!
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
That's pretty awesome actually, out of Castlevania and into Hell itself. :D

Pretty much. The guide dosent say how you end up there though. After you clear the castle (It's Carmilla's castle by the way and she's in the Throne Room), you go through another forest, some haunted farmland, a big puzzle area, a Titan Graveyard (exactly how it sounds...dead Titans everywhere...pretty wicked) and then a Fire Graveyard, Crematory, and then basically you're in Hell.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 04:04:45 PM
I had a feeling it was Carmilla's. So the real Castlevania isn't in this game. Interesting.

I have a feeling there is going to be a sequel to this game, but I'm not sure if it will star Gabe again. Maybe his next of kin.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: crisis on September 30, 2010, 04:05:35 PM
I guess that's similar to how Soma leaves Celia's castle to travel into The Abyss
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 04:05:51 PM
Guess we know who that guy was in the robe in the new gameplay trailer is then.

and btw I CALLED IT!

The guy in the robe is the Lord of the Dead. You don't fight him but there's probably some interaction with him somewhere. I'd guess during the ending cinematic. Zobek is a good guy who helps you through a lot of levels but he's been manipulated by the Lord of the Dead and Satan, perhaps without knowing it. The guide dosen't say what happens to him at the end.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
The names of the individual levels are very cool. I'd be happy to list them if anyone wants...
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Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 04:08:56 PM
Go right ahead.
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Post by: crisis on September 30, 2010, 04:09:12 PM
Thunderbrand, you already opened Pandora's Box... might as well list everything you can.
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Post by: Kingshango on September 30, 2010, 04:11:58 PM
The guy in the robe is the Lord of the Dead. You don't fight him but there's probably some interaction with him somewhere. I'd guess during the ending cinematic. Zobek is a good guy who helps you through a lot of levels but he's been manipulated by the Lord of the Dead and Satan, perhaps without knowing it. The guide dosen't say what happens to him at the end.

My guess, Lord of the dead usurp's Satan's throne after Gabriel beats him and becomes the new lord of evil.

Sounding a little Lament of Innocence there.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 04:13:40 PM
My guess, Lord of the dead usurp's Satan's throne after Gabriel beats him and becomes the new lord of evil.

Sounding a little Lament of Innocence there.
That would make sense. I was thinking after Satan is defeated his essence is transferred into the Lord of the Dead or someone else and they become Dracula.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 04:14:30 PM
CHAPTER 1:
-Besieged Village
-Hunting Path
-The Dead Bog
-Pan's Temple
-Oblivion Lake

CHAPTER 2:
-Enchanted Forest
-Underground Caves
-Labrynth Entrance
-Waterfalls of Agharta
-Agharta
-Dark Dungeon
-Sanctuary Entrance
-Sanctuary of Titans
-The Black Knight

CHAPTER 3:
-The Three Towers
-The Dark Lord of the Lycanthropes

CHAPTER 4:
-Mountain Fortress
-The Crow Witch

CHAPTER 5:
-Veros Woods
-Wygol Village
-Abbey Catacombs
-Abbey Library
-Abbey Tower
-Brauner
-Castle Sewers

CHAPTER 6:
-Castle Courtyard
-Maze Gardens
-Castle Hall
-Refectory

CHAPTER 7:
-Balcony
-Electric Laboratory
-Chromatic Observatory

CHAPTER 8:
-Outer Wall
-The Clockwork Tower
-Olrox
-The Throne Room

CHAPTER 9:
-Bones Forest
-Woes Moor
-The Music Box

CHAPTER 10:
-Titan Graveyard
-Fire Pinnacle
-Fire Cemetery
-Crematory Oven

CHAPTER 11:
-Necromancer's Abyss
-The Dracolich

CHAPTER 12:
-The Final Fight

-46 levels in the game, but Cox has said there's over 50 so maybe we can expect 4 or more complete levels in the DLC? I dunno...
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 04:17:54 PM
WOW. Lots of hints and nods to older Castlevania games. Wygol Village is directly from OoE, and the Castle Sewers up to the maze reminds me of Castlevania 64.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
WOW. Lots of hints and nods to older Castlevania games. Wygol Village is directly from OoE, and the Castle Sewers up to the maze reminds me of Castlevania 64.

Yep, also with the Maze Garden and lots of giant spiders in the sewers/tunnels. Plenty of N64 references there.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on September 30, 2010, 04:30:54 PM
Well. I have no idea what to ask next, fantastic thread though. This game sounds pretty incredible.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 04:34:01 PM
I'll offer some more tidbits here...

The guide is huge, over 250 pages long, but it's still sort of barebones. For example, it tells you where you will come across the Scrolls (many dead knights have them), and apparently a lot of the backstory is told that way. The guide also does not mention what is said dialogue-wise, or what happens in each cutscene. So even though there are lots of spoilers I'm able to provide from the guide, we will still be in for lots of surprises and plot twists I'm sure.

Also there are lots of puzzles & brainteasers. Many areas are un-passable until a big puzzle is solved. You will also have to rappel, swing, climb countless times to get into or over certain areas. Plenty of platforming for sure.

The giant spiders are important. The first one appears as a sort of mid-boss, but later they start to appear more often. There are also a few times you have to use them to gain access to other areas. You can jump on their backs and force them to knock down doors, and in one instance shoot a long web, Spiderman-style, across a chasm which you must then cross, walking on the web.

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Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 04:59:46 PM
Can you list the abilities you can get in the game?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 05:12:48 PM
Can you list the abilities you can get in the game?

Most abilities are learned once you find a certain object or drop item. The main ones according to the guide:

- The Light Gem Medallion allows you to transform Neutral Elemental Orbs into power for Light Magic. You insert magic gems into the slots on the medallion and when all 5 slots are filled (with blue gems) the Light Magic's container capacity is increased.
- The Shadow Gem Medallion does the same thing, only for Shadow Magic. (Red gems.)
- The Life Gem Medallion increases your stamina & life bar when gems are inserted into it's slots. (Green gems.)
- The Dark Gauntlet is found after deteating the Black Knight Golem. It gives you new abilities & attacks.
- Cyclone Boots are found after defeating Cornell. They allow you to run faster and charge enemies harder.
- Seraph Shoulders are found after defeating Carmilla. They allow you to double-jump.

There are also lots of attack & defense combos and abilities you can learn by combining each upgrade with Light or Shadow magic.
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Post by: thernz on September 30, 2010, 06:33:26 PM
I wonder how the double jump will be integrated in later stages.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
My guess, Lord of the dead usurp's Satan's throne after Gabriel beats him and becomes the new lord of evil.

Sounding a little Lament of Innocence there.

Could be. I re-read the guide trying to figure out who the 3rd Lord of Shadows may be. Each Lord drops a piece of the God Mask, so you must get the 3rd and final piece at the end of the game. So that would likely mean the 3rd Lord is either one of the Necromancers, or Satan. But the guide dosen't say! Truthfully, the guide is strange. The walkthrough is pretty thorough, but it's fairly vague about the story/plot/characters. No cutscenes or dialogue are described, nor is the ending, so there are still lots of questions & speculation.

As for the Lord of the Dead, you don't fight him (maybe we will in the DLC?) but he's behind the scenes so to speak. In the most recent trailer, we see him walking up to that statue of the cross, then float up to that throne area---maybe that scene is part of the ending cinematic and the Lord of the Dead becomes Death or Dracula?

From the guide, the Lord of the Dead's description: Lord of all the Dead, he is death personified and with his knowledge of the dark arts none may stand against him, living or dead. (Note: He appears in the characters section, not the Bestiary, so you may interact with him in the game but you do not fight him...same with Laura)
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Post by: LoveToResearch on September 30, 2010, 07:49:27 PM
Hey Thunderbird? I wanted to thank you for taking your time to post them up (I mean spoilerific information). Although, I am curious about one thing: Extra(s). What will be available once you beat the game? I know you mentioned Solid Snake costume... But are there any more extras other than that one? Thanx.
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Post by: thernz on September 30, 2010, 07:52:13 PM
I thought the TGS trailer confirmed it was the Necromancer as well as a scan somewhere. Odd that the guide would still omit it.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 07:56:45 PM
Hey Thunderbird? I wanted to thank you for taking your time to post them up (I mean spoilerific information). Although, I am curious about one thing: Extra(s). What will be available once you beat the game? I know you mentioned Solid Snake costume... But are there any more extras other than that one? Thanx.

Lol...my screenname (Thunderbrand) is a sword in SotN. Although it does look like Thunderbird now that you mention it  :D

As for extras, some of the artwork is unlocked as you go through the game and appears in the Extras menu. There is also a specific way to get 100% and 110% completion in the game...basically your percentage is based on what difficulty level you play at and how many hidden items and upgrades you find. You must find all of them to get the maximum percentage.

That's really it. They must be putting out quite a bit worth of downloadable content when that's available. Also there's a "prize" after the end credits when you beat the game. No clue what that might be.
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Post by: CastleDan on September 30, 2010, 08:41:22 PM
So does satan have only one form?

Is he the guy thats flying around naked in the tgs tralier?

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Post by: Thunderbrand on September 30, 2010, 09:00:38 PM
So does satan have only one form?

Is he the guy thats flying around naked in the tgs tralier?



Yes, only one form, and his battle has 2 stages. He appears basically human with long dark hair, yellow eyes and some cracks/scars on his face which sort of resemble the Devil Mask. He's shirtless and has this sort of half-robe thing that turns into a swirling/wispy/ethereal set of black angels wings. He wields a magic staff that changes color indicating whether he's using Light or Shadow magic, and he will use both just like Gabe. His attacks will inflict much less damage if both characters are using the same type of magic and vice versa, so strategy will play a part. Also, the guide shows the Lord of the Dead wearing the Devil Mask in it's completed, true form. The Devil Mask as we've seen it so far is cracked & jagged, but there's a pattern underneath it that's definately the same as the one the Lord of the Dead wears. So somewhere along the line the mask was taken from the Lord of the Dead and damaged.

The very end of the guide has a strange screenshot of an older-looking Satan walking down a rainy, crowded street in modern times! There's neon signs, cars & traffic lights in the background. That must be part of the "prize" after the end credits or some kind of joke, I dunno.
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Post by: corneliab on September 30, 2010, 09:04:45 PM
Wow, that TGS trailer actually showed the final boss?

That's so stupid!
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on September 30, 2010, 09:32:41 PM
The very end of the guide has a strange screenshot of an older-looking Satan walking down a rainy, crowded street in modern times! There's neon signs, cars & traffic lights in the background. That must be part of the "prize" after the end credits or some kind of joke, I dunno.
What the hell is going on?????!!! :o
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Apolake on September 30, 2010, 09:38:31 PM
I guess he won the "prize", why does it remind me of Highlander for some reason?
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Post by: Kingshango on September 30, 2010, 09:40:33 PM
What the hell is going on?????!!! :o

I smell a sequel in the works!

Castlevania 2: Modern Despair.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 30, 2010, 09:41:08 PM
LOL, looks like Cox pulled an IGA. Remember who IGA would show too much in his trailers for LoI and CoD? It's kinda sad.

Though, I do get major deja vu with the story of this game. Maybe because it was like one I wrote while in high school. The only difference was that it took place in a fantasy world. My friends and I wrote this story for a fake RPG, and were really inspired by the Final Fantasy series. In the story, events occur where the gate to Heaven is sealed, and people who die cannot pass over. The planet has two moons, Urea, the Heavenly Moon, and Deos, the Devil's Moon. The two moons would act, to the dead, as the gates to Heaven and Hell, but an ancient relic has closed the spiritual side of the gates, but opens the physical side. This is so because God(just called the Creator in my story) banished the demon lord Zeion from the spiritual plane so he cannot cross over(because he's immortal). Zeion and a handful of his demon followers were exiled on Deos(not allowed to even enter Hell itself). The hero, a black knight, typically suffers a bout of amnesia after falling from a cliff after he turned traitor against his evil leader, and the twist(even though it's been played out, particularly in FFX, which I thought was also deja vi-ish) is that once you resolve everything and re-open the gates to heaven and hell to the spirits, it becomes clear that he died from the fall off the cliff in the beginning, and departs to heaven, finally being able to rest in peace. That must've been in 1998 or 99.  :)
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Julius on September 30, 2010, 09:45:38 PM
So there's an older looking Satan walking down a modern street, eh? And so far we don't know if "Satan" will become Dracula or some form of Dracula yet. I dunno, call me a Julius fanboy but I think it'd be kind of badass if this tied into the main storyline somehow. 1999 game hasn't been made yet. Satan/Dracula/Big Bad Man walking around in modern times, hasn't fully been defeated yet?

SOMEONE GET ME MY WHIP.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 30, 2010, 09:49:44 PM
After hearing bits about this story(and how Dracula's not present, or at least in the guide and as a boss), I now understand how Cox said, while being stand-alone, people COULD find some way to work it into the existing canon.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on September 30, 2010, 10:00:00 PM
Maybe...Cox will pick up where IGA left off?
MAKE THE 1999 GAME???
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: crisis on September 30, 2010, 10:00:13 PM
i'm just skimming through posts not taking in any details

I don't like this thread =(
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on September 30, 2010, 10:08:21 PM
Maybe...Cox will pick up where IGA left off?
MAKE THE 1999 GAME???

That would piss the fuck out of hardcore IGA fan's if the battle of 1999 is done in the new timeline.

MAKE IT HAPPEN COX!
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 30, 2010, 10:17:48 PM
I doubt it, unless....

IGA + Cox tag team!!!

IGA laying down the basic plot, Cox fleshing it out, and Mercury Steam making it reality.

Konami, make it happen!!!
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: thernz on September 30, 2010, 10:53:16 PM
they should just outsource it to platinum games
hideki kamiya's favorite game is castlevania 1 after all
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Julius on September 30, 2010, 11:30:10 PM
The idea of a modern times Castlevania game with the same level of polish as LOS is showing sounds too epic to be true. Not only would it be a BRAND new setting, but we could finally SEE what went down during that part of the timeline. One could only hope.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: AngloSaxson on October 01, 2010, 12:42:48 AM
The idea of a modern times Castlevania game with the same level of polish as LOS is showing sounds too epic to be true. Not only would it be a BRAND new setting, but we could finally SEE what went down during that part of the timeline. One could only hope.
The 2 dlc's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on October 01, 2010, 06:14:41 AM
The very end of the guide has a strange screenshot of an older-looking Satan walking down a rainy, crowded street in modern times! There's neon signs, cars & traffic lights in the background. That must be part of the "prize" after the end credits or some kind of joke, I dunno.
Makes me think of
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dochamp.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F01%2FDracula1.jpg&hash=4bee3f12ba40a60b041e9123a249da46)
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 01, 2010, 07:17:01 AM
The odd thing of the screenshot is that he's shirtless and still wearing some medieval-looking half robe thing with Gauntlets on both arms. It's just a weird final pic in the guide. But it's also right next to the part that mentions the "awesome ending cinematic and the prize after the credits" so I'm thinking it's either a joke of some kind, or maybe all the people in the street can't see him and it shows that Satan continues to exist today, no clue.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on October 01, 2010, 07:29:39 AM
Definitely leads to some exciting speculation, maybe the sequel to LoS takes place in modern times? That would be pretty neat.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DingusBelmondo on October 01, 2010, 07:40:30 AM
So who is the guy sitting in the thrown? Who does Jason Issacs voice? I think the guide is being vague on purpose.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Nagumo on October 01, 2010, 07:43:22 AM
SATAN 

I like that they choose to be orginal and include a completely new villian instead of Dracula. Perhaps he is still mentioned in the story, his name means son of the Devil after all so I guess he will be the big bad in the sequel?       
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 01, 2010, 08:02:41 AM
Makes me think of
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dochamp.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F01%2FDracula1.jpg&hash=4bee3f12ba40a60b041e9123a249da46)

Good comparison OSM! The difference is in that scene in the movie, Dracula blended right in with society. Nobody looked twice at him. In this screenshot in the guide, Satan sticks out like a sore thumb! If you saw some shirtless, Gauntlet-wearing, long gray haired pissed off looking dude walking down the middle of a crowded street today, he'd get alot of weird looks.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 01, 2010, 08:10:32 AM
SATAN 

I like that they choose to be orginal and include a completely new villian instead of Dracula. Perhaps he is still mentioned in the story, his name means son of the Devil after all so I guess he will be the big bad in the sequel?       
^^^ That what I mean when I said I get how Cox said some people will try to put it into the classic canon. If Dracula isn't in LoS, then it doesn't conflict with the original canon's beef about Trevor being the first to fight Dracula(and if Dracula doesn't appear at all, it doesn't conflict with LoI either). I find that possiblity astounding.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kamirine on October 01, 2010, 08:20:38 AM
I can just see some fanboys getting pissed now: "WTF?! No Dracula?! He's been replaced by Satan?! This isn't Dante's Inferno! OMG, fail! Cox ruined Castlevania!" LMAO
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 01, 2010, 08:26:57 AM
LoS is already tied into LoI in a couple different ways. First, Gabriel is rumored to be a member of the Cronqvist family, but it was never proved. Secondly, Rinaldo has made weapons, specifically the Combat Cross, for the Brotherhood of Light. My guess is that since LoS takes place before LoI, there may be something in the ending that ties into LoI even further...maybe the Lord of the Dead or Satan posesses Matthias and that's what leads to his "illness", not grief over his wife, in LoI? Who knows...lots to speculate about.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: LoveToResearch on October 01, 2010, 08:39:47 AM
Hey Thunderbrand...? I finally got your user name right!  ;D

Um, I am anxious to ask you- but is it (okay with you) and possible for you to post your scans... I mean those pictures of bosses/extra? Pretty please? If not, then could you send them to me via e-mail? Let me know, so I can PM you. But if not, then that is cool. Really. Thanx.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on October 01, 2010, 08:53:58 AM
All of this new info made the wait even more unbearable than it already is.

Can't wait to play and finish the game, the tie in's with the main canon will be fun to talk about.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on October 01, 2010, 09:02:39 AM
I can just see some fanboys getting pissed now: "WTF?! No Dracula?! He's been replaced by Satan?! This isn't Dante's Inferno! OMG, fail! Cox ruined Castlevania!" LMAO

MMmm...No, not like Dante's inferno, but more like Ghosts'n Goblins.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on October 01, 2010, 09:17:24 AM
Honestly, I'm getting more of a Dawn of Sorrow vibe from this game. Into the castle and straight into hell itself? Exact same thing as DoS.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 01, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
Honestly, I'm getting more of a Dawn of Sorrow vibe from this game. Into the castle and straight into hell itself? Exact same thing as DoS.

It's not exactly like that. Everything sort of builds up to another thing. The castle is actually in the middle of the game. After you leave there, there are several more outdoor areas to go through before you end up in the Necromancer's Abyss...which actually starts off as a real place, although it's very desolate and resembles Hell (think Mordor in Lord of the Rings.)

As for scans, I'll see what I can do. The pics in the guide are very small, so they probably wouldn't turn out that great. I don't have the best scanner anyway.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Nagumo on October 01, 2010, 10:09:48 AM
LoS is already tied into LoI in a couple different ways. First, Gabriel is rumored to be a member of the Cronqvist family, but it was never proved. Secondly, Rinaldo has made weapons, specifically the Combat Cross, for the Brotherhood of Light. My guess is that since LoS takes place before LoI, there may be something in the ending that ties into LoI even further...maybe the Lord of the Dead or Satan posesses Matthias and that's what leads to his "illness", not grief over his wife, in LoI? Who knows...lots to speculate about.

Well yeah but how does that explain Brauner and Cornell being in the wrong time period? Not to mention the latter is evil and probably gets killed off. And how can Rinaldo have built the combat cross when he was only an infant? Having a Belmont before Leon fighting the friggin devil is also kind off... weird.         
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on October 01, 2010, 10:14:38 AM
LoS just doesn't work in the original canon. I'm completely ok with this game fitting in it's own canon.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: spazzy_d on October 01, 2010, 10:40:17 AM
Well yeah but how does that explain Brauner and Cornell being in the wrong time period? Not to mention the latter is evil and probably gets killed off. And how can Rinaldo have built the combat cross when he was only an infant? Having a Belmont before Leon fighting the friggin devil is also kind off... weird.         

Eh, not too hard to explain really.  Brauner, Orloxx, and Cornell are all surnames, so they don't have to be the same individuals... just in the same family.  Rinaldo is even esier, as he is an alchemist, and potions that increase longevity (and the search for immortality) go hand in hand with the profession.

That being said, I don't think thier is a connection between LoS and established lore, but nothing I've seen so far tells me thier isn't.  For all we know, Satan lost his power and began a search for a new lord of darkness, so he started to whisper in the ear of one Mr. Cronqvist,  who happened to be good friends (an, unbeknownst to him, a cousin of) the descendant of the man who defeated him.

Once again, I don't think it wil happen, and I'm happy with this being its own thing.   But it is possible.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Nagumo on October 01, 2010, 10:48:25 AM
Eh, not too hard to explain really.  Brauner, Orloxx, and Cornell are all surnames, so they don't have to be the same individuals... just in the same family.  Rinaldo is even esier, as he is an alchemist, and potions that increase longevity (and the search for immortality) go hand in hand with the profession.

I don't think Brauner and Cornell are surnames. But even if they were, and they would use that explanation then their orginal intent with those characters, using characters from past games, wouldn't make any sense. And those explanations are kind off silly, it would be a terrible explanation. I'd just go with the alternate universe thing, then Castlevania's story at least has some dignity left.  :-X                     
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: spazzy_d on October 01, 2010, 11:07:19 AM
I don't think Brauner and Cornell are surnames. But even if they were, and they would use that explanation then their orginal intent with those characters, using characters from past games, wouldn't make any sense. And those explanations are kind off silly, it would be a terrible explanation. I'd just go with the alternate universe thing, then Castlevania's story at least has some dignity left.  :-X                     

Brauner is definetly a surname.  I've seen Cornell used as both a first and last name, though.  Ofcourse, it is even easier to jusitfy as a first name.   I still don't see how this would be any different then having a bunch of Belmonts and Belnades running around.  There is also the option of Drac reviving his soldiers.  How many times have we fought Camilla?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 01, 2010, 11:12:56 AM
Brauner, Cornell, Olrox, Carmilla and Laura all appear in LoS. They also all appear in later games many centuries later. How? Seems pretty simple to me. Dracula can be resurrected basically any time, so why not all these guys too? Death keeps making appearances in every game too (though you can't really KILL Death I suppose), so maybe he keeps bringing people back. Or maybe it's the handywork of the Lord of the Dead, or dark priests like Shaft or whoever.

Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Nagumo on October 01, 2010, 11:28:20 AM
Brauner's name is derived from Victor Brauner which is a surname but in Castlevania they use it as a first name.

Brauner, Cornell, Olrox, Carmilla and Laura all appear in LoS. They also all appear in later games many centuries later. How? Seems pretty simple to me. Dracula can be resurrected basically any time, so why not all these guys too?


Orlox and Carmilla were never a problem. This explanation wouldn't work for the first two because that would just be silly. Brauner didn't became a vampire until WO I. I guess Cornell would work but I think it would be just stupid...                 
 
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on October 01, 2010, 11:30:32 AM
Just in case anyone wanted to see...

Satan
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8159/satancv.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8159/satancv.jpg)
Satan and Dracolich
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5733/satandraccv.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5733/satandraccv.jpg)
Lords of the dead and baba yaga
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1746/lodcv.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1746/lodcv.jpg)
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: spazzy_d on October 01, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
Brauner's name is derived from Victor Brauner which is a surname but in Castlevania they use it as a first name.
 

Orlox and Carmilla were never a problem. This explanation wouldn't work for the first two because that would just be silly. Brauner didn't became a vampire until WO I. I guess Cornell would work but I think it would be just stupid...                  
 

I definitely agree with you that it's very unnecessary to try and connect the two continuities, so it's a bit silly to try and do so.
I don't think it would really be an "insult" to the Castlevania cannon, though.  As much as I love the series, the story has become very convoluted and ridiculous over the years.  I mean really, "OMG!  It's reincarnated Dracula....from the FUTURE!,"  or "oh, I get it.  The guy in the top hat is a time traveler.  Wait, what?"  That’s part of the reason I'm glad this is a reboot.... the series has  A LOT of baggage.

Anyway, those scans pretty much confirm that Zobek is a lord of shadow.  ("Zobek and the other lords of shadow")
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: CastleDan on October 01, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
Okay that one picture confirms that he isn't satan in the future he is dracula.

Satan becomes dracula somehow.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on October 01, 2010, 11:58:10 AM
Satan's looking a little Dracula.

Also im happy to see that he is properly covered, unlike Dante's Inferno's Satan.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on October 01, 2010, 12:01:52 PM
Wow, Kojima's trailer really did spoil the final boss. What the hell.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on October 01, 2010, 12:03:48 PM
to me its a little stupid how they call that dragon zombie looking titan dracolich.
Why can't they just call him zombie dragon to be more CV?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Apolake on October 01, 2010, 12:04:54 PM
I just realized that the TGS trailer kinda hinted it was Satan who is behind the events since Baba Yaga mentions her master as the "King of the Angels". When she said that, I thought, "Lucifer? Can't be." and I just dismissed it.  Way to go Kojima.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on October 01, 2010, 12:08:24 PM
Where did those scans come from?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Nagumo on October 01, 2010, 12:09:12 PM
Yeah, I thought the same thing with Jason Isaacs said "and a certain Prince of Darkness" in that gameplay trailer but I dismissed it because I thought the idea of Satan in Castlevania to be pretty ridiculous. One of the few things I never expected to see in a Castlevania game actually.      
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on October 01, 2010, 12:13:59 PM
I am certain after Satan is defeated, Dracula is born.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on October 01, 2010, 12:15:10 PM
Satan in a Castlevania is odd but I can accept that since this is a reboot. But what is what the fuck worthy is that last pic.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: spazzy_d on October 01, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
Satan as a one off end of game baddy?  Pretty cool.  Satan some how becoming Dracula and hanging around the series?  Kind of lame.    Having Dracula, or someone else, become a new "Lord of Darkness" makes more sense.  I don't mind if Satan has his presense felt in the future (especially if this timeline spins off some sequels) but I think having the Devil plotting in a "I'll get you next time Belmont!" *shakes fist* sort of way is beyond cheesey.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on October 01, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
I am now waiting for the game to come out so I now what happens to Gabe and Satan.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Munchy on October 01, 2010, 12:47:38 PM
MMmm...No, not like Dante's inferno, but more like Ghosts'n Goblins.

But if it's like GnG, where's his Fire-face-penis?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Inccubus on October 01, 2010, 12:58:52 PM
Brauner's name is derived from Victor Brauner which is a surname but in Castlevania they use it as a first name.
Orlox and Carmilla were never a problem. This explanation wouldn't work for the first two because that would just be silly. Brauner didn't became a vampire until WO I. I guess Cornell would work but I think it would be just stupid...                 
 

Portrait of Ruin/Symphony of the Night/CV64LoD never state whether Brauner/Olrox/Cornell is a surname or a given name.
Carmilla is never even stated to be a surname or given name in the original novel.
However, I don't necessarily think these characters decidedly are, or are related to, those in the other games.
Besides, Cox said he specifically tried to contradict the original canon.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: thernz on October 01, 2010, 02:24:44 PM
maybe with satan's defeat there was a power vacuum that matthias took advantage of and then he became kamen rider kiva
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Apolake on October 01, 2010, 02:37:46 PM
maybe with satan's defeat there was a power vacuum that matthias took advantage of and then he became kamen rider kiva

Funny you should say that. After all, the Japanese VA for Satan is Kivat the 3rd.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Ascension on October 01, 2010, 04:22:56 PM
But if it's like GnG, where's his Fire-face-penis?

Bwahahaha!!
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Apolake on October 01, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
Forgot to ask, what is the medusa head equivalent in the game that Cox talked about?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 01, 2010, 04:45:17 PM
we'll i must say that i am dissapointed that Dracula "apparently" isn't in the game " or maybe can't be fought" but i always had a feeling that he would not appear seeing as how the REAL dracula was born around the 1400s and seeing as Cox is a Classicvania fan he might not approve of making someone take on the name of Dracula and become the dark lord himeself and thus excluded him from his game.
i think it would be pretty lame at this point to have Satan "or the Lord of Death" become Dracula IMO.

and unlockable SNAKE COSTUME :o
this would be awesome IF i was a metal gear solid fan  :-\
i so wanted a unlockable classic simon outfit :-[
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: GuyStarwind on October 01, 2010, 07:06:59 PM
Now this is just me but I think the idea of Satan some how becoming Dracula would be a downgrade of evil. I mean when it comes to evil Satan is the ultimate evil. Dracula is evil but nothing compared with Satan. Moreover, how do you kill Satan? I'm sure these things will be explained but it still makes me wonder.

So, The Lord of the Dead is Death? Also who is this reaper boss?

I know it was mentioned holy water is in this but are crosses, axes, or stopwatches?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Heuss on October 01, 2010, 07:23:47 PM


Dracula, Sovereign of the Damned

Satan and Dracula Min: 4.20

Dracula, Sovereign of the Damned 7/9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0l1eKmdmY#)


Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kamirine on October 01, 2010, 07:40:51 PM

Dracula, Sovereign of the Damned

Satan and Dracula Min: 4.20

Dracula, Sovereign of the Damned 7/9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0l1eKmdmY#)




LMFAO! "Raaaah!....Raaaah! *breath* Raah."  Seriously, he looked like he was trying to kill Dracula with lightening soap or something and got stopped by some chick that pulled powers out of no where. What kind of all powerful evil was THAT?! XD
 
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DragonsAndCarpetBags on October 01, 2010, 08:07:42 PM
That's hilarious! thanks.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Dremn on October 01, 2010, 08:18:22 PM
What the hell did I just watch?!
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 01, 2010, 08:19:18 PM
Forgot to ask, what is the medusa head equivalent in the game that Cox talked about?

Gremlins. They are little annoying flying enemies that appear in random areas in the game.

As for Satan becoming Drac or whatever, come on! Why should it be a surprise that Satan is in the game? Think about it---the whole point of LoS is that the souls of the dead cannot reach Heaven because some evil force is plaguing the land and not allowing the souls to reach God. OK...so it stands to reason that Satan would be behind such a thing! Common sense if you ask me. Therefore, it's no surprise that Satan is the final boss.

Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Heuss on October 01, 2010, 08:31:31 PM
As for Satan becoming Drac or whatever, come on! Why should it be a surprise that Satan is in the game? Think about it---the whole point of LoS is that the souls of the dead cannot reach Heaven because some evil force is plaguing the land and not allowing the souls to reach God. OK...so it stands to reason that Satan would be behind such a thing! Common sense if you ask me. Therefore, it's no surprise that Satan is the final boss.




We can not forget that Satan is the boss of Dracula, and dracula's powers from Satan.


"Dracula, Sovereign of the Damned" is old anime, but cool... and previous to Castlevania's game ;D

Dracula, Sovereign of the Damned 1/9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_t0y7tTFo#)


 
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Alutwon on October 01, 2010, 08:50:09 PM
So i kinda noticed that Gabriel's gauntlet changed appearance from what cut scene to another. Is this explained in the guide?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 01, 2010, 09:04:46 PM
So i kinda noticed that Gabriel's gauntlet changed appearance from what cut scene to another. Is this explained in the guide?

In the game, Gabriel dosen't get the Gauntlet until you defeat the Black Knight. So maybe that's part of the difference of appearance.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on October 01, 2010, 09:19:59 PM
Now this is just me but I think the idea of Satan some how becoming Dracula would be a downgrade of evil. I mean when it comes to evil Satan is the ultimate evil. Dracula is evil but nothing compared with Satan. Moreover, how do you kill Satan? I'm sure these things will be explained but it still makes me wonder.

So, The Lord of the Dead is Death? Also who is this reaper boss?

I know it was mentioned holy water is in this but are crosses, axes, or stopwatches?

From what I am reading from the strategy guide, the reaper is seperate from the lord of the dead and is a lesser enemy(not a boss).

The sub-items are:
Holy Water Flasks
Dark Crystals
fairies
Silver Daggers
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: GuyStarwind on October 01, 2010, 09:24:44 PM
From what I am reading from the strategy guide, the reaper is seperate from the lord of the dead and is a lesser enemy(not a boss).

The sub-items are:
Holy Water Flasks
Dark Crystals
fairies
Silver Daggers


Ah, I see. Thanks you.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 01, 2010, 09:52:51 PM
From what I am reading from the strategy guide, the reaper is seperate from the lord of the dead and is a lesser enemy(not a boss).

The sub-items are:
Holy Water Flasks
Dark Crystals
fairies
Silver Daggers


Death really isn't mentioned by name. The character description of the Lord of the Dead says he's "death personified" but you don't fight him. The 2 Necromancers at the end of the game resemble the character of Death, and they summon enemies called Reapers, which also appear as Death-like enemies. But THE Death himself aka the Grim Reaper, is not in the game. At least not as we know him...the Reapers & Necromancers may be part of his species but according to the guide, the character of "Death" is not present.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Oralox on October 01, 2010, 10:15:59 PM
I know Jorge asked Coxee about there being a stairs to the throne room and there is!
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9854/carmillastairs.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9854/carmillastairs.jpg)
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Foffy on October 02, 2010, 06:55:15 AM
Sorry if this seems like a strange first post to make in a forum, but I've been a long time lurker, I haven't really thought I had much input to contribute on things, but I'd like to at least get involved now :3

I have a request for Thunderbrand, if he doesn't mind. I currently have the game, and I'm really enjoying it, but I'm totally fucking stuck on the Castle Sewers level (It's the last stage in Chapter 5). I'm stuck in this hallway with a spiked floor and a gate at the end, it's the same hallway shown in the Jason Isaacs narrated trailer. Does the guide tell you how to solve this? I can get the gates down by punching the hole in the wall, but no matter what the hell I do, the door at the end always closes when I'm close. Did I miss an ability you're supposed to have here or something?
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kamirine on October 02, 2010, 07:10:29 AM
I know Jorge asked Coxee about there being a stairs to the throne room and there is!
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9854/carmillastairs.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9854/carmillastairs.jpg)

I heard this game as custom soundtracks...I'm so playing 'Calling from Heaven' from Bloodlines when I get there. But the version from the Dracula Perfect Battle CD. I've always wanted to hear that version of the song once walking up 'The Staircase'. XD
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on October 02, 2010, 08:18:10 AM
I know Jorge asked Coxee about there being a stairs to the throne room and there is!
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9854/carmillastairs.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9854/carmillastairs.jpg)

That looks... eerily similar to this drawing I drew years ago!
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inverteddungeon.com%2Fjorgefuentes%2Fimages3%2FKeep.png&hash=1fbcbdf5ef19047d79a0568e2902556d)
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Post by: Alutwon on October 02, 2010, 09:12:57 AM
I heard this game as custom soundtracks...I'm so playing 'Calling from Heaven' from Bloodlines when I get there. But the version from the Dracula Perfect Battle CD. I've always wanted to hear that version of the song once walking up 'The Staircase'. XD

Wait within game? I know the 360 is capable of music playback while running a game but the PS3 can't :(.
OMG Creeping Dusk by Goat (for those of you haven't heard of goat, his remixes are awesome) would be amazing for this game!
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Post by: DragonsAndCarpetBags on October 02, 2010, 11:53:23 AM
striderK

I believe some ps3 games allow you to play your own music, like Burnout.

Heh, I'd be playing my Castlevania Game Boy OST.
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Post by: Harrycombs on October 02, 2010, 04:39:25 PM
I just saw the ending on a live stream. WHAT THE HELL?! Cox, we need to have a chat.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Post by: Apolake on October 02, 2010, 04:47:40 PM
I'm ok with it, besides I'm getting this game for free so no love lost.
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 02, 2010, 04:53:14 PM
These are copypastes of my original posts so don't judge my overreactions... MY MIND IS SOOO FUCKED!
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Don't you see? THAT'S THE FUCKING 1999!! TAHT'S WHY IT'S CALLED THE DEMON CASTLE WARS NOT THE DRACULA CASTLE WARS!!
Gabriel have been Dracula AAAAAAALLLL the fucking Time.... Mathias? just a disguise, the ebony stone? bullshit, Death? only another necromancer or anything like that.... Dracula can't die BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT H WISHED WITH ITS WISH... and, wait a minute, how did he DIE?? you know when... 1999!!!

THIS GAME IS CANNON IS FUCKING CANON HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! AWSOMEEE!!!
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NO NO NO you don't get it!
He's not there sited by 2000 years, he's just "resurrected" as usual because that's the "usual" 1999 resurrection! Death wasn't there yet, light will be shed soon I think... Zobek has been there all the time but he didn't interfere, he didn't mind about Drac until Satan would be resurrected (or brought back to the living world). The DEMON castle Wars are about the whole world fighting SATAN, Dracula dies at the end? Sure, but that's because ZOBEK promised him that, we just sought that!... my God this  game is awesome, noe THE TIMLINE ACTUALLY HAS SENSE! 

Premature resurrections?. Explained.
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Now we just have to wait some months after Cox is able to talk and then we're done :)
"Death" working for a man?. Explained.
Why does Dracula dies at the end of 1999 and wahy that battle was different to all the others?. Explained.
Why Dracula calls himself Dracula?. Explained.
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Post by: Dremn on October 02, 2010, 05:02:54 PM
Holy mother of fuck at the twist ending.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 02, 2010, 05:16:25 PM
These are copypastes of my original posts so don't judge my overreactions... MY MIND IS SOOO FUCKED!
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Don't you see? THAT'S THE FUCKING 1999!! TAHT'S WHY IT'S CALLED THE DEMON CASTLE WARS NOT THE DRACULA CASTLE WARS!!
Gabriel have been Dracula AAAAAAALLLL the fucking Time.... Mathias? just a disguise, the ebony stone? bullshit, Death? only another necromancer or anything like that.... Dracula can't die BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT H WISHED WITH ITS WISH... and, wait a minute, how did he DIE?? you know when... 1999!!!

THIS GAME IS CANNON IS FUCKING CANON HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! AWSOMEEE!!!
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NO NO NO you don't get it!
He's not there sited by 2000 years, he's just "resurrected" as usual because that's the "usual" 1999 resurrection! Death wasn't there yet, light will be shed soon I think... Zobek has been there all the time but he didn't interfere, he didn't mind about Drac until Satan would be resurrected (or brought back to the living world). The DEMON castle Wars are about the whole world fighting SATAN, Dracula dies at the end? Sure, but that's because ZOBEK promised him that, we just sought that!... my God this  game is awesome, noe THE TIMLINE ACTUALLY HAS SENSE!  

Premature resurrections?. Explained.
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Now we just have to wait some months after Cox is able to talk and then we're done :)
"Death" working for a man?. Explained.
Why does Dracula dies at the end of 1999 and wahy that battle was different to all the others?. Explained.
Why Dracula calls himself Dracula?. Explained.

soooooo your saying Gabriel is Mathias/Dracula?
and that this game is canon?
i call BS sorry lol.
but everyone has there opinions and in my opinion that would suck if this game fit into the canon or IS in the canon
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Post by: Harrycombs on October 02, 2010, 05:26:57 PM
^

Its true that it might suck, but it could still be true.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 02, 2010, 05:31:25 PM
^

Its true that it might suck, but it could still be true.
how could it be true?
Cox said its not canon what more could be said?
he said it doesn't tie into the original canon.
MAYBE fans could attempt to work it into the canon but for me its just not working sorry lol
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Post by: Dremn on October 02, 2010, 05:33:24 PM
And we have DLC coming much later that shows us what happens next.
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Post by: Harrycombs on October 02, 2010, 05:48:55 PM
how could it be true?
Cox said its not canon what more could be said?
he said it doesn't tie into the original canon.
MAYBE fans could attempt to work it into the canon but for me its just not working sorry lol

Did you see the ending? It completely made me question whether or not this was a prequel or a reboot. It so perfectly fit into the timeline that it makes it hard to not see it as canon. However, Dracula being a Belmont does suck.

And we have DLC coming much later that shows us what happens next.

I'm looking forward to it more than the game. If its just some challenge/mission/skin/ pack I'm going to be pissed  >:(
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Post by: Dremn on October 02, 2010, 05:51:10 PM
1st DLC pack is nothing special but the 2nd pack takes place after the ending from what I've heard.
However, Dracula being a Belmont does suck.
Gabriel isn't a real Belmont. Check his bio, he's suspected to be a bastard son of the Cronqvist family.
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Post by: Harrycombs on October 02, 2010, 06:06:25 PM
Gabriel isn't a real Belmont. Check his bio, he's suspected to be a bastard son of the Cronqvist family.

Oh. That makes it a bit better then.
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Post by: Dremn on October 02, 2010, 06:07:24 PM
You know what that means though, right? Either someone else who is a real Belmont will be introduced, or real Belmonts do not exist in this timeline at all.
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Post by: Harrycombs on October 02, 2010, 06:09:40 PM
or real Belmonts do not exist in this timeline at all.

That would be terrible.

You know, I really supported this game. I wanted it to succeed, I supported it from the very beginning. But if the Belmonts aren't even in this time line, then this absolutely is not Castlevania.
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Post by: Dremn on October 02, 2010, 06:14:57 PM
then this absolutely is not Castlevania.
These were my thoughts while watching the entire stream. Only time I didn't feel this way was when we heard Vampire Killer play in the music box level.
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Post by: Harrycombs on October 02, 2010, 06:30:01 PM
I didn't get to see this part.

Despite my disappointment, I don't think I'll cancel my preorder. Maybe if they make another game, they can actually create more of a CV feel. That entire segment after the credits screamed CV. Why couldn't the whole game be like that?
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Post by: GuyStarwind on October 02, 2010, 08:16:27 PM
That would be terrible.

You know, I really supported this game. I wanted it to succeed, I supported it from the very beginning. But if the Belmonts aren't even in this time line, then this absolutely is not Castlevania.

Amen. No Belmonts= Non Castlevania.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on October 02, 2010, 08:31:18 PM
So, before I go off and blow 60 bucks is this game even worth it? I admit I wasn't too hot about it at first then as time went on it started growing on me. However, after reading about the ending my doubts are coming back. I love the Iga time line( granted could use more lead Belmont roles). I love LoI it's what got me into the series. Now I hear this could possibly replace it? With this game I was so excited to be Belmont with a whip and sub-weapons fighting Dracula. However, it turns out that's not the case. Not to mention I hear Death isn't even in this game? What the hell!? So, give me an honest answer is it even worth my time?
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Post by: Punishment on October 02, 2010, 08:32:51 PM
Amen. No Belmonts= Non Castlevania.

Circle of the moon? Castlevania 64? Legacy of Darkness?? Order of Ecclesia??
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Post by: thernz on October 02, 2010, 08:40:29 PM
only cotm made no mention of belmonts
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Post by: GuyStarwind on October 02, 2010, 08:41:57 PM
I mean in the time line altogether. Sure they're not in those games but they're in the overall plot. However, if the family does actually exist within the whole series then no it's not Castlevania.
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Post by: Heuss on October 02, 2010, 08:48:12 PM

Extracting conclusions without finishing the game, giving for certain speculations.

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Post by: crisis on October 02, 2010, 09:51:01 PM
New rebooted family should be called the Beaumonts.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 02, 2010, 10:28:19 PM
Sorry guy's I had to go to work after picking tiny peices of my brain after it asploded from watching that ending, that was the most mind fuckary thing I've seen in a game since Drakengard. Mercurysteam just out trolled Calvia in terms of trollness.

Hopefully the sequel will be more akin to Castlevania than this game was, Canon or not, this shit gonna be intresting and talked about for fan's for a while, fanfiction's away!

And yeah Im still buying this game, ain't no stoppin this train Im on.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 02, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
LOL, it's funny because people were ragging on many of the game sites who reviewed the game and questioned why they said the game didn't feel "CV-ish". I guess, now, we understand what they meant.
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Post by: Heuss on October 02, 2010, 11:30:24 PM

The best finish I've ever seen, unexpected, as should be.

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Post by: Kamirine on October 02, 2010, 11:34:17 PM
LOL, it's funny because people were ragging on many of the game sites who reviewed the game and questioned why they said the game didn't feel "CV-ish". I guess, now, we understand what they meant.

This. I'm sure once more fans start seeing and playing through the game, there are going to be a lot more conflicted views on the story.  Even I'll admit, this wasn't what I expected at all and I'm kind of don't know what to make of it right now.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on October 03, 2010, 12:51:24 AM
So, I watched the ending and I have a question if someone can answer it.

Why did Gabriel kill his wife? I saw him doing it in a flashback at the end. However, since I only watched the end I'm not sure why it happened.
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Post by: Apolake on October 03, 2010, 12:58:48 AM
I really like the abilities sketch animation in this game.
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Abilities Sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc8mekIdsNo#)
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Post by: Nagumo on October 03, 2010, 03:30:09 AM
Guys I didn't really feel like watching a playthrough for 15 - 20 hours straight. Enlighten me about the ending. Kudo's if it explains the big plot hole known as Brauner.           
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Post by: Harrycombs on October 03, 2010, 07:25:46 AM
Guys I didn't really feel like watching a playthrough for 15 - 20 hours straight. Enlighten me about the ending. Kudo's if it explains the big plot hole known as Brauner.           

Zobek apparently manipulates Gabriel into killing the other Lords of Shadow and reveals himself to be the bad guy in a horribly written drawn out monologue that not even Patrick Stuart could make interesting, then Satan shows up and defeats Zobek and goes on a long winded, horribly written monologue about how he manipulated Zobek to manipulate Gabriel to help Satan, and not even Jason Isaacs could make this scene tolerable. Gabe and Satan fight in an incredibly long and boring battle and Satan is defeated, and then Gabe apparently can't be forgiven by God for unknowingly helping the bad guys, and then it cuts to modern times where Zobek approaches Gabriel who then declares himself to be Dracula, and Zobek warns him that Satan was about to return.
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Post by: Nagumo on October 03, 2010, 07:34:00 AM
Dracula is actually a misunderstood bad guy in this universe? Wow, that is terrible. I already thought of Gabriel being Dracula but I figured they wouldn't pull another Soma. But I guess not.

And how does this fit into the canon again? I still don't get it.       
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Post by: Dremn on October 03, 2010, 07:41:11 AM
I really like the abilities sketch animation in this game.
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Abilities Sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc8mekIdsNo#)
Cooooool :D
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Post by: Kamirine on October 03, 2010, 07:48:47 AM
I don't see how it fits into canon either without omitting quite a bit from the previous games.

The story as a whole doesn't bother me, just the latter end of it. Gabe being Dracula doesn't bother me, just the final out come, with Satan still being the main bad guy of the reboot and Dracula just sitting around, hiding in the shadows all tragic and emo until it's time to once again defeat Satan and save themselves and humanity from being enslaved. His he like, the Alucard of the series now (that wants to die and finally rest) and Satan is now the 'Dracula' that only comes around after so many centuries or what not? Where are the actual Belmonts?
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Post by: Heuss on October 03, 2010, 07:49:41 AM
I really like the abilities sketch animation in this game.
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Abilities Sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc8mekIdsNo#)

Very good... Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2D?  ;)

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Post by: Dremn on October 03, 2010, 07:56:35 AM
Did anyone bother ripping the soundtrack yet?
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Post by: Nagumo on October 03, 2010, 07:59:03 AM
Didn't Cox say he wanted to give his own explanation of why the Belmont family hunts the night or something like that? How does that apply here? Dracula killing his own wife is also pretty ironic when you think about it.  

Oh man, I just can't get over how terrible this twist ending is. Its like they hired some guy from fanfiction.net.        
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Post by: Foffy on October 03, 2010, 08:22:22 AM
Dracula is actually a misunderstood bad guy in this universe? Wow, that is terrible. I already thought of Gabriel being Dracula but I figured they wouldn't pull another Soma. But I guess not.

And how does this fit into the canon again? I still don't get it.       

This is my strawhatted theory, and while ridiculous, it's only a cherry on top of the ridiculous cake.

Gabriel was never a real Belmont and only used the name as a surname (it's implied that he's a member of the Cronqvist family) so with all of the jazz going on with the game, and the fact Gabriel can't seem to be given release by being immortal, he decides to have his revenge against God by becoming a vampire, which begins the whole Mathias thing with Lament of Innocence (Lords references this game a LOT), which then just leads into the Dracula we know of based on the main IGA canon.

The strangest thing I'd find with such a silly fan-idea is that that would mean Dracula has loved 3 women and wanted to smite something for the loss of them. Surely he'd give up at some point :P.

It's not as bad as the Belmonts literally being the children of Alucard, though.
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Post by: Heuss on October 03, 2010, 08:24:47 AM
I like Dracula confronted Satan. The Belmonts only work difficult to Dracula in your mission against Satan.   ;D

Bored being Had more of the Same, Dracula falling apart Defeated...    ;)



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Post by: Thunderbrand on October 03, 2010, 08:32:17 AM
Well if that's really how the game ends then I admit I didn't see that coming. Not sure if I like it or not. It's an interesting story but basically Gabe becomes Matthias and later becomes Dracula. Plus with the references to Rinaldo, it basically turns LoS into a prequel to LoI.
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Post by: ZenTzen on October 03, 2010, 08:40:37 AM
Well after that twist ending i still think this is a reboot, new timeline and all that, now i just wanna know how they'll explain how that happened, because i'm not seeing how Gabe becomes Mathias, seeing as LoS happens in 1022 and LoI in 1094, maybe in the planned DLC they'll introduce other Belmonts or in the next game if its successful enough
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Post by: Thunderbrand on October 03, 2010, 08:45:27 AM
This proves in a lot of ways that you cannot NOT have LoS tie in to the other storyline somehow. Call it a reboot all you want but if that's how LoS ends then it's a direct tie in to LoI, and thus part of the main canon.
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Post by: Foffy on October 03, 2010, 08:59:11 AM
Well after that twist ending i still think this is a reboot, new timeline and all that, now i just wanna know how they'll explain how that happened, because i'm not seeing how Gabe becomes Mathias, seeing as LoS happens in 1022 and LoI in 1094, maybe in the planned DLC they'll introduce other Belmonts or in the next game if its successful enough

The year is actually 1047, the website had an error of the date.

The thing is while they may call it a reboot, it may just be one of those games made in a way that you don't need previous history on the franchise to get it. Resident Evil 4 was sorta like that, in a sense, and it took Resident Evil 5 to really nudge it into the whole arc outside of Random Game: Featuring Resident Evil Characters.

The only thing that really sets it apart from being a game before LoI is the final bit of the ending, which jumps hundreds of years into the future. But Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep also did that with its final ending, and the game is obviously set before everything else in that series prior to that bit.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 03, 2010, 09:02:04 AM
I still don't think it's a direct tie in. Rinaldo exists in LoS's universe, as he does in LoI/IGA's universe. No one said they had to be the same guy, but dimensional counterparts. Other than a few references to other CV games, I didn't see anything LITERALLY referencing the events of IGA's canon. And some claim the end takes place in 1999. After watching the stream, I don't recall the date even popping up on screen. It just took place in "modern era". There was no references to the Demon Castle Wars, or references to any other of the Dracula/Belmont struggles from LoI-PoR. For all we know, in LoS, Gabriel "disappears" from history, and hides away from centuries until Zobek tracks him down in the modern age.

I really DO think people are reading too much into this.

As for Gabriel being Dracula, I think it has as much standing as the whole Mathias is Dracula thing. I wonder who the "Vladd III" people are going to react to it, because seemingly, since CVI, they've been clamoring that CV's Dracula is the historical "Vlad Tepes", and this one shuns that theory as well. Actually, as I stated in the other thread, I actually like Mathias as Dracula more, because he didn't get strung along like Gabriel did. Mathias had a clear objective, and used people to achieve it. His means of becoming Dracula was very sisister and evil, the puppet master who used Walter, Leon and Sara to achieve his goal. Gabriel was being strung along by Zobek, who was being strung along by Satan. Way to be the puppet, Gabriel!
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Post by: Nagumo on October 03, 2010, 09:02:50 AM
Wait a minute, Gabriel says he name is Dracul not Dracula. Does that change anything?   
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Post by: Foffy on October 03, 2010, 09:06:25 AM
Wait a minute, Gabriel says he name is Dracul not Dracula. Does that change anything?   

Doesn't he say it in Latin or something? I think it still means Dracula. :P
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Post by: ZenTzen on October 03, 2010, 09:17:16 AM
Doesn't he say it in Latin or something? I think it still means Dracula. :P

well dracul by itself means dragon, while dracula means son of dracul or son of the devil in romanian
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Post by: Harrycombs on October 03, 2010, 09:17:52 AM

Historically, Dracul was the father of Dracula.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracul)
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 03, 2010, 09:20:47 AM
LOL, wouldn't that be funny if Mathais was Gabriel's son? HAHAHAHAHAHA!! ;D
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on October 03, 2010, 10:09:23 AM
I just hope Satan isn't going to be the main staple bad guy now. I love this as an origin story for how we get Dracula, but I don't want role reversals. I want Belmonts kicking Dracula's undead ass.  :P
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Post by: Dremn on October 03, 2010, 10:13:11 AM
I like someone's comment on this game earlier, how this feels more like an Elseworld's tale like DC Comics does for it's franchises. It's the same thing for Castlevania. Twisted and yet familiar, Belmont(even though he's not really a Belmont making it even more twisted, a Cronqvist trying to be a Belmont) and Dracula in one entity. It's like 90's Comic Book writing all over again. Very surreal shit.

I would have been more appreciative of this game's ending if the entire game actually felt/seemed like a Castlevania game. It had no identity whatsoever, it was really all over the place.
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Post by: Foffy on October 03, 2010, 10:26:05 AM
I like someone's comment on this game earlier, how this feels more like an Elseworld's tale like DC Comics does for it's franchises. It's the same thing for Castlevania. Twisted and yet familiar, Belmont(even though he's not really a Belmont making it even more twisted, a Cronqvist trying to be a Belmont) and Dracula in one entity. It's like 90's Comic Book writing all over again. Very surreal shit.

I would have been more appreciative of this game's ending if the entire game actually felt/seemed like a Castlevania game. It had no identity whatsoever, it was really all over the place.

Two people who wrote the story are comic book writers.
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Post by: Dremn on October 03, 2010, 10:27:58 AM
Well then, that explains everything LOL
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Post by: crisis on October 03, 2010, 11:49:56 AM
so who here is actually gonna play LoS when it comes out?
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Post by: GuyStarwind on October 03, 2010, 11:52:58 AM
I'm sure I will at some point. However, I'm not going to jump up and buy it the day it comes out.
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Post by: Dremn on October 03, 2010, 12:05:02 PM
Meh. If someone I know has it I'll give it a shot. :/
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 03, 2010, 12:06:16 PM
so who here is actually gonna play LoS when it comes out?
i'll most likely rent it.
any idea how long it would take to beat it?
depending on how long i may just rent it for 2 to 5 days ;D
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Post by: Apolake on October 03, 2010, 12:29:05 PM
I am getting a free copy of the game so I'll definitely gonna be playing it.
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Post by: Thunderbrand on October 03, 2010, 12:34:11 PM
I have the LE on preorder so I'll be getting it 1st thing Tuesday and playing it right away. Even though I have the guide and now the ending has been revealed, it still won't ruin the experience for me. I've been waiting for what seems like forever for a new-gen CV and now that it's here I'm gonna be all over it  ;D
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Post by: Oralox on October 03, 2010, 12:47:45 PM
I try not to read so much stuff here now that the game is beaten over the stream.
I really don't know whats going on but I am still getting this game.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 03, 2010, 01:08:23 PM
Im still getting this game, the ridiculiousness must be experienced on my HDTV.
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Post by: ZenTzen on October 03, 2010, 01:09:28 PM
I'm getting it
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Post by: Kingshango on October 03, 2010, 01:24:20 PM
Also, I may be the only one thinking this but after that whole "revelation", does anyone else get the feeling that the sequel will be a Legacy of Kain/Blood Omen type game?
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Post by: ZenTzen on October 03, 2010, 01:46:03 PM
Also, I may be the only one thinking this but after that whole "revelation", does anyone else get the feeling that the sequel will be a Legacy of Kain/Blood Omen type game?

if we play another Belmont maybe not
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Post by: Foffy on October 03, 2010, 02:03:41 PM
if we play another Belmont maybe not

Will it be a real one this time?
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 03, 2010, 02:13:46 PM
Will it be a real one this time?
if Cox makes another game as a sequel to LOS he BETTER have a REAL Belmont this time or ELSE! >:(
lol but seriously should Cox make another CV game i think having a Belmont should be on his topi of to do list
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 03, 2010, 02:32:59 PM
I don't know why you people are bitching, at least we have a very ipressive origin story, it's not that dracula was the most deep villain ever so it's fine this new direction. About the Belmonts, let's not speculate 'til we get the actual TOLD story, I'm sure Mr Alvarez Won't let this saga full of plot holes like some afro-crappy-japanese out there, stay cool  ;)
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And I also don't understand why are you saying "this is not CV! where's my Castlevania!"
Know why? Because almost nothing that makes castlevania a Castlevania EXISTS yet in this story, there's no Death (It's not created yet with Necromancer's powers) no Castle (the real one you know, because Gabriel ends being GOOD we don't know how the transformation occurs and what he does to build his dark fortress). I mean, ther's nothing yet, and that's GOOD, because for the first time ever DRACULA IS ACTUALLY POWERFUL and he CAN do things, unique to thim, do you understand my point? I mean, if the "CV staples" were there in LOS that means Dracula's powers are just a rehash of the powers of the old lords, the abscence of this is the first proof oof Drac's power in ALL Cv timeline, he created a LOT of dark by himself, and that's something (I always hated how Celia could build and Exact castlevania replica with bosses and all, I mean, really? if she can do that, why does she need Drcula? damn...).

And for you asking how does this fit in the timeline, it seems that final's scene is modern times, or near modern, so it's perhaps 1999; Zobek tells him that if he stops Satan he would let him free of inmortality, we know that Dracula is killed in 1999 for the first time ever so that's maybe because of Zobek's promise, oh, and also the wars are called the Demon castle Wars, not the Dracula's Castle wars (yeah, I know about the whole Akumajou Dracula thing but I'm sure this is not unrelated). And Demon=Satan, And we don't know the exact facts of that battle so many things could be said.

It makes sense to me, however I think konami won't make the 1999 game right away, because this is a reboot in one way or another, I think they will "re-tell" some of the old games (LOI, CVIII, SOTN?) but not in the tradiitonal way obviously, and this time in chronological order so "new fans" won't get lost.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 03, 2010, 02:45:59 PM
And for you asking how does this fit in the timeline, it seems that final's scene is modern times, or near modern, so it's perhaps 1999; Zobek tells him that if he stops Satan he would let him free of inmortality, we know that Dracula is killed in 1999 for the first time ever so that's maybe because of Zobek's promise, oh, and also the wars are called the Demon castle Wars, not the Dracula's Castle wars (yeah, I know about the whole Akumajou Dracula thing but I'm sure this is not unrelated). And Demon=Satan, And we don't know the exact facts of that battle so many things could be said.

It makes sense to me, however I think konami won't make the 1999 game right away, because this is a reboot in one way or another, I think they will "re-tell" some of the old games (LOI, CVIII, SOTN?) but not in the tradiitonal way obviously, and this time in chronological order so "new fans" won't get lost.
Not near modern, but modern. It actually looks like NOW, which is a decade late from 1999. The fact that they don't say it's date means it could be anytime in the modern era, but doesn't mean it has to be 1999.

Actually, we DO know exact facts about the battle of 1999. We know Julius Belmont was the one who defeated Dracula, and sealed his soul/magic into the eclipse. We also know that the Hakubas helped. Of course, that was IGA's timeline. I still don't believe LoS takes place in IGA's canon.
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Post by: Foffy on October 03, 2010, 02:48:41 PM
Uhm...Lords references Death in some of the narrations for a few stages. It's implied he has a part in the region where the Necromancers reside, if I recall. It actually got me thinking that Death was the "Reaper" listed in the strategy guide bestiary, but he's not in the game exactly.

I don't mind the twists and turns, and in fact that outside of the ambiguity of the timeframe of the modern scene, that this could easily be woven into IGA's continuity. Bastard child from the Cronqvist family joins the Brotherhood of Light, given the name Gabriel Belmont by the members there. After Marie dies, he could try to start over with a new name and a new life, such as taking the name Mathias Cronqvist (or maybe he found out that was his name after the events of LoS). He then spits in the face of God by becoming a vampire, purposely defying him for the loss of Elizabetha. Then, I guess as a vampire, he meets Lisa and she's killed, so he decides that he not simply smite God, but all of humanity, and so begins all of the games from Dracula's Curse on. And of course the real Belmont family comes into play, not as a surname based off of the "beauty of the land" or whatever shit they say it is in the Travel Book.

The big dealbreaker to this one fanss confusing-yet-IGA-like-theory is that the modern event is if it's set after 1999, which creates a big fucking hole in the idea. But outside of that, I can't name one specific, individual story element of the game that directly conflicts IGA's vision without some contextual interpretation.
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 03, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
If it doesn't fit at least the most basic par of old canon (CVIII, CV1-2, SOTN, they are the only relevant ones storywise) so it doesn't make sense, and, we'd have a whoop-a-boo of Castlevania set in modern times straight out... That's something I don't like to think :P
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fter Marie dies, he could try to start over with a new name and a new life, such as taking the name Mathias Cronqvist (or maybe he found out that was his name after the events of LoS).
That's actually pretty convicing  :o
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The big dealbreaker to this one fanss confusing-yet-IGA-like-theory is that the modern event is set after 1999, which creates a big fucking hole in the idea. But outside of that, I can't name one specific, individual story element of the game that directly conflicts IGA's vision without some contextual interpretation.
Retcon the sorrows.

Please.
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Post by: crisis on October 03, 2010, 02:55:46 PM
CASTLEVANIA: LORDS OF SHADOW ISN'T CANON.
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Post by: Foffy on October 03, 2010, 03:00:51 PM
CASTLEVANIA: LORDS OF SHADOW ISN'T CANON.

This is why I said woven into IGA's series. There's nothing to toss in if it's already canon. At the very least, I'm sure IGA's next game will include references to Lords. In a way, Adventure Rebirth did with the final form of Dracula looking a hell of a lot like the masks in this game. ;3
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Post by: Dremn on October 03, 2010, 03:36:00 PM
CASTLEVANIA: LORDS OF SHADOW ISN'T CANON.
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Post by: Nagumo on October 04, 2010, 12:15:43 AM
I think the forum just got hit by a canon frenzy. And I love every single minute of it.

 
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Post by: Apolake on October 04, 2010, 12:31:49 AM
"Just as planned."
Death Note - Kira's Laugh (Original) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C65oaIHsdYM#)
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Post by: Munchy on October 04, 2010, 01:37:46 AM
Gotta say, after hearing the twist with Gabriel being "Dracul"... Lord, no wonder Kojima endorsed it. This kinda reminds me of the whole "Super Joe was actually the bad guy all along!" twist in the new Bionic Commando just in terms of sheer randomness and stupidity. It's like Kojima looked at the game and said, "Well, no completely nonsensical plot twists so far... better do something about that if you want to keep your funding."

Of course, I haven't played the game and seen how it unfolds, so I can't rightly rip on it completely. I'll just say there needs to be a shitload of convincing to pull it off in a non-facepalm manner.

I'm on board with Satan and whatnot though. The MSX Vampire Killer kept mentioning "Dracula's Satanic castle", so I figured it kinda stood to reason that Ol' Scratch had some part in Drac's evilness. Not to mention other games like the N64 one talking about "battle against the Devil" so the Christian overtones aren't exactly new.
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Post by: Valtiel on October 04, 2010, 09:29:18 AM

As for Gabriel being Dracula, I think it has as much standing as the whole Mathias is Dracula thing. I wonder who the "Vladd III" people are going to react to it, because seemingly, since CVI, they've been clamoring that CV's Dracula is the historical "Vlad Tepes", and this one shuns that theory as well. Actually, as I stated in the other thread, I actually like Mathias as Dracula more, because he didn't get strung along like Gabriel did. Mathias had a clear objective, and used people to achieve it. His means of becoming Dracula was very sisister and evil, the puppet master who used Walter, Leon and Sara to achieve his goal. Gabriel was being strung along by Zobek, who was being strung along by Satan. Way to be the puppet, Gabriel!


*This is my first post, so hello. Been lurking here forever, and this message urged me to join the discussions*


I strongly disagree on this. I've always perceived Mathias as an incredibly weak Dracula (in fact, despite loving LoI I admit the entire origin story had me raging for how bad it was), and I think Gabriel is actually a lot more impressive. I'll go with a list to ease further discussion:

1. it's true that Gabe is manipulated for the best part of the story, but on the other hand, Mathias wasn't self sufficient in his raise to power. In fact, we were thrown some ridicolous "I got this stone and since you cleared the castle and killed this vampire for me, now I'm immortal!" plot twist that didn't do much to portray Mathias as a powerful individual. Heck, what did his entire manipulation amount to? Leon was suffering from a loss (and this would sort of justify Gabe too), Walter was the biggest idiot in the history of videogames...
2. The lack of subtlety isn't even my biggest beef; the fact is, Mathias basically "steals" his power from someone else's effort. It may be sinister, but it also shows cowardice, and weakness. And there's no character evolution either: Mathias is a bad man who does bad things until he becomes a bad vampire.
3. Gabriel, on the other hand, goes through all the trials himself. He bests the previous Lords of Shadows as a mere human, showing incredible courage and prowess. He literally goes through half Europe on his own, facing basically every monster you could think of, prevailing on each one, and is ultimately betrayed - was he a fool? Maybe, but that adds to the explanation of Dracula's character. Dracula's cruelty could very well also come from such a dramatic experience. Not trusting anyone anymore, he survives in loneliness and ultimately becomes a monster. His faith in humanity is lost, and he may want revenge on what he fought for and betrayed him.
4. More importantly, Gabe is manipulated, but once the betrayal is revealed, he proceeds to face off the Devil itself. And wins. Mathias didn't even have the guts to face Leon.

Now, on the LOS IS NOT CANON POINT, that's not entirely correct.

LoS IS canon in LoS' timeline, which isn't the same of the post SotN Vanias. We do not know how the game will evolve from here; we may get installments in both timelines, fundamentally pushing forward two different alternate universes, and fans will be free to pick the one they prefer or stick with both. We may even get only LoS-timeline games, and that would make LoS basically the only canon relevant to new games.
While it has flaws, I find the LoS canon immensely more promising that the current state of the IGA-canon - I'm unsure the IGA-canon can survive the Soma disaster, and having proceeded the storyline past the 1999 game has sucked almost all the momentum from that promised moment of truth. A part of me would honestly prefer to see the 1999 game in the LoS timeline because it feels like there's a lot more room for having an actually good story, while an IGA 1999 would have to deal with us knowing what happens next and Soma.
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Post by: Valtiel on October 04, 2010, 09:31:25 AM
I think the forum just got hit by a canon frenzy. And I love every single minute of it.

 

In many ways, even if you completely detest what they are doing with LoS... it's sort of refreshing to be able to discuss the saga's canon without having to directly tackle the post-1999 games. I think the anime turn of the saga had killed any interest in looking at the canon as anything worth discussing for me.
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Post by: Inccubus on October 04, 2010, 09:55:38 AM
It occurs to me that by using major character names from the old timeline that it helps to keep future games in this new timeline free from falling back into the old timeline to a certain extent.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 04, 2010, 02:25:49 PM
1. it's true that Gabe is manipulated for the best part of the story, but on the other hand, Mathias wasn't self sufficient in his raise to power. In fact, we were thrown some ridicolous "I got this stone and since you cleared the castle and killed this vampire for me, now I'm immortal!" plot twist that didn't do much to portray Mathias as a powerful individual. Heck, what did his entire manipulation amount to? Leon was suffering from a loss (and this would sort of justify Gabe too), Walter was the biggest idiot in the history of videogames...
2. The lack of subtlety isn't even my biggest beef; the fact is, Mathias basically "steals" his power from someone else's effort. It may be sinister, but it also shows cowardice, and weakness. And there's no character evolution either: Mathias is a bad man who does bad things until he becomes a bad vampire.
3. Gabriel, on the other hand, goes through all the trials himself. He bests the previous Lords of Shadows as a mere human, showing incredible courage and prowess. He literally goes through half Europe on his own, facing basically every monster you could think of, prevailing on each one, and is ultimately betrayed - was he a fool? Maybe, but that adds to the explanation of Dracula's character. Dracula's cruelty could very well also come from such a dramatic experience. Not trusting anyone anymore, he survives in loneliness and ultimately becomes a monster. His faith in humanity is lost, and he may want revenge on what he fought for and betrayed him.
4. More importantly, Gabe is manipulated, but once the betrayal is revealed, he proceeds to face off the Devil itself. And wins. Mathias didn't even have the guts to face Leon.
1. How powerful Mathias was, physically, was irrelevant to the story AND him becoming Dracula. He was described, early on, as becoming sickly, which should've given the idea of his standing of power besides that of Leon, who was said to be one of the strongest knights in the land. They never said that Mathias was a strong knight, but a genius tactician.

2. It's only cowardice to those with high honorable standards, which Mathias showed little regard for. It's like if a clan of ninja assassins snuck into a samurai camp and waited until all the samurai were asleep to slit their throats. Not fighting them one-on-one might provoke the notion that the ninja were cowards(because the samurai might've, indeed, won in one-on-one combat), but when it comes to survival, all's fair in love and war. And if it means achieving your goals through dirty tactics, so be it. 

3. Gabriel, I see, is a lot like Leon. Both knights who were said to be the strongest of the the time, but both went on teir different paths. Interestingly enough, both were decived by brothers-in-arms whom they had full trust in. The only difference is what became of them afterwards. Though Gabriel showing prowess and courage doesn't make him better than Mathias. It's just a personal preference, and nothing more. You like tough, battle hard knights or behind-the-curtain manipulators? I'm thinking you like the former.

4. Again, physically, Mathias's power was irrelevant at that point, as he only sought a powerful vampire soul to make himself immortal. He didn't care about becoming a super strong demon king general and greatest warrior in the world. He was content with what he was at that point. Also, him choosing to flee from Leon was probably one of the most smartest things he could do in the situation considering he knew Leon now had the Vampire Killer in his grasp. It's not like Mathias was scheming to become immortal just to have everything go down the drain by the hand of Leon's whip. THAT would've been stupid. Besides, he had no need to fight against Leon, because he accomplished what he set out to do. It wasn't until later that he'd actually fight the Belmonts, but by then, his whole outlook has changed, and he's become the enemy of humanity.
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Post by: Valtiel on October 04, 2010, 02:54:08 PM
1. How powerful Mathias was, physically, was irrelevant to the story AND him becoming Dracula. He was described, early on, as becoming sickly, which should've given the idea of his standing of power besides that of Leon, who was said to be one of the strongest knights in the land. They never said that Mathias was a strong knight, but a genius tactician.

2. It's only cowardice to those with high honorable standards, which Mathias showed little regard for. It's like if a clan of ninja assassins snuck into a samurai camp and waited until all the samurai were asleep to slit their throats. Not fighting them one-on-one might provoke the notion that the ninja were cowards(because the samurai might've, indeed, won in one-on-one combat), but when it comes to survival, all's fair in love and war. And if it means achieving your goals through dirty tactics, so be it. 

3. Gabriel, I see, is a lot like Leon. Both knights who were said to be the strongest of the the time, but both went on teir different paths. Interestingly enough, both were decived by brothers-in-arms whom they had full trust in. The only difference is what became of them afterwards. Though Gabriel showing prowess and courage doesn't make him better than Mathias. It's just a personal preference, and nothing more. You like tough, battle hard knights or behind-the-curtain manipulators? I'm thinking you like the former.

4. Again, physically, Mathias's power was irrelevant at that point, as he only sought a powerful vampire soul to make himself immortal. He didn't care about becoming a super strong demon king general and greatest warrior in the world. He was content with what he was at that point. Also, him choosing to flee from Leon was probably one of the most smartest things he could do in the situation considering he knew Leon now had the Vampire Killer in his grasp. It's not like Mathias was scheming to become immortal just to have everything go down the drain by the hand of Leon's whip. THAT would've been stupid. Besides, he had no need to fight against Leon, because he accomplished what he set out to do. It wasn't until later that he'd actually fight the Belmonts, but by then, his whole outlook has changed, and he's become the enemy of humanity.

1. I completely agree - Mathias does make sense as THAT Dracula, but a comparison was drawn between the two characters. Branding Gabriel as a simpleton isn't more correct than branding Mathias as a gimp. I'm not stating that physical prowess is more descriptive of the character of Dracula than genius - I would guess he sounds like a more threatening villain if he's both - however looking at what the two characters did to become the Vampire Lord, I can't help but think that Gabe's track record is more impressive. If Mathias' machinations were more complex than "I got this stone and Leon is mad with anger" I could probably even see things your way; to borrow from another Konami game, while Ocelot certainly doesn't have Liquid Snake's combat skills, the amount of scheming and double crossing he pulled off warranted him to role of star villain. Mathias does nothing of that magnitude - I'd be hard pressed to say Mathias does anything at all.
If tomorrow Kojima and Mercury Steam tell us that Gabe is actually Dracul and Dracula is his son and they retell Mathias' story giving the character some justice, I'll be all for giving that a chance.

2. That's fair, however my point was simply that if you told someone "this dude betrayed a friend to make him do all he needed to become Dracula" and "this dude went through all these adventures and was betrayed and became Dracula out of spite and anger and faced off Satan himself", I'd be hard pressed to believe he would find Mathias' story more "impressive". You may tell me that betrayal suits Dracula; as I said, we probably have a point of disagreement in the fact that you find the fact that Dracula was a bad guy before becoming a vampire a plus, Dracula is "historycally" a tragic figure. The idea of him being a necessary evil is completely rooted in his historical inspiration (think of the Turks and the "woods of the impaled" tactics he used to stop them). Dracula also is commonly portrayed as a champion of Christianity that feels betrayed in myth. I don't see how people couldn't see this ending coming, tbh.

3. I could actually prefer tactical geniouses... the point is that there's no comparison between how the two are portrayed. It's not really Mathias' character's fault - it's probably just the fact that IGA's storytelling is dire and LoI's script was exceptionally weak. I have no particular preference for warrior types, and actually nothing in CV's Dracula design hints at him being a warrior (he wears a tuxedo in XVth century, hard to build anythign from there). I do however fancy (due to cultural influxes and my expertise in the original Dracula mythos) the idea that he's a cursed characters, and that he didn't willingly pursue his curse, until the very end. Having him "want" to become a vampire sort of strips him of any dramatic impact. Mathias' version was sort of redeemed by his physical sickness. If the story played something along the way of him being frustrated by his body's weakness (think Griffith in Berserk) and pursuing vampirism as a way to be "full" again, the character could have developed its potential more.

4. Yes, fleeing was smart and it also spared us from having an origin story where the main villain already dies (something LoS was wise enough to do too - not saying it couldn't be pulled off, but still) - however it does remove some oomph from the character. By the time I played LoI, I had been through the ordeal of reaching and fighting Dracula, a guy so strong that he could command Death, several times. He's meant to be frightening. And in his origin story... he flees?
That's what Gabriel achieves greatly. There's a specific scene when he turns wearing the Death Mask... and you think "this guy defeated all lords of shadow, and some colossal titans, and an army of monsters on his own, and now he's infused with semidivine power and pissed off. How the hell do you stop him?". I can picture the next game in the LoS continuity and playing a Belmont knowing he will have to eventually face Gabe/Dracula... good luck with that.
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 04, 2010, 03:24:25 PM
If LOS is indeed a prequel to LOI (then fitting in the canon-- accept it, it's toooo easy to put it in) I think the whole "Mathias" thing is a LIE, he's not that fragile, he's not that fool... just look at gabriel's face when he's at the throne as Dracul(a?), his face is different his original one so he may change his shape thanks to devil's mask, I also think elizabetha is not real, probably a succubus or a manifestation of Claudia, I think his whole plan was to take Leon belmont to his side, perhaps Leon is his son? IDk, yeah, I was against this game turned into the canon but the hell, it fills so well and answers o many things that I will love they included it... however, I would like the canon to be "arranged".... retell CVIII, I, SQ, ROB, and SOTN and we have the whole Castlevania mythos without fill, retcon the others. Simple.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on October 04, 2010, 05:02:13 PM
4. Again, physically, Mathias's power was irrelevant at that point, as he only sought a powerful vampire soul to make himself immortal. He didn't care about becoming a super strong demon king general and greatest warrior in the world. He was content with what he was at that point. Also, him choosing to flee from Leon was probably one of the most smartest things he could do in the situation considering he knew Leon now had the Vampire Killer in his grasp. It's not like Mathias was scheming to become immortal just to have everything go down the drain by the hand of Leon's whip. THAT would've been stupid. Besides, he had no need to fight against Leon, because he accomplished what he set out to do. It wasn't until later that he'd actually fight the Belmonts, but by then, his whole outlook has changed, and he's become the enemy of humanity.

Not to mention Leon just destroyed the eternal night surrounding Walters castle. I believe Mathias says something like "Dawn is approaching" then he has Death fight Leon. Not only would it had stupid for him to fight Leon at that point because of the vampire Killer it would be stupid because day was coming and word around town is vampires can't survive in the sun light.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on October 04, 2010, 05:45:32 PM
1. I completely agree - Mathias does make sense as THAT Dracula, but a comparison was drawn between the two characters. Branding Gabriel as a simpleton isn't more correct than branding Mathias as a gimp. I'm not stating that physical prowess is more descriptive of the character of Dracula than genius - I would guess he sounds like a more threatening villain if he's both - however looking at what the two characters did to become the Vampire Lord, I can't help but think that Gabe's track record is more impressive. If Mathias' machinations were more complex than "I got this stone and Leon is mad with anger" I could probably even see things your way; to borrow from another Konami game, while Ocelot certainly doesn't have Liquid Snake's combat skills, the amount of scheming and double crossing he pulled off warranted him to role of star villain. Mathias does nothing of that magnitude - I'd be hard pressed to say Mathias does anything at all.
If tomorrow Kojima and Mercury Steam tell us that Gabe is actually Dracul and Dracula is his son and they retell Mathias' story giving the character some justice, I'll be all for giving that a chance.

2. That's fair, however my point was simply that if you told someone "this dude betrayed a friend to make him do all he needed to become Dracula" and "this dude went through all these adventures and was betrayed and became Dracula out of spite and anger and faced off Satan himself", I'd be hard pressed to believe he would find Mathias' story more "impressive". You may tell me that betrayal suits Dracula; as I said, we probably have a point of disagreement in the fact that you find the fact that Dracula was a bad guy before becoming a vampire a plus, Dracula is "historycally" a tragic figure. The idea of him being a necessary evil is completely rooted in his historical inspiration (think of the Turks and the "woods of the impaled" tactics he used to stop them). Dracula also is commonly portrayed as a champion of Christianity that feels betrayed in myth. I don't see how people couldn't see this ending coming, tbh.

3. I could actually prefer tactical geniouses... the point is that there's no comparison between how the two are portrayed. It's not really Mathias' character's fault - it's probably just the fact that IGA's storytelling is dire and LoI's script was exceptionally weak. I have no particular preference for warrior types, and actually nothing in CV's Dracula design hints at him being a warrior (he wears a tuxedo in XVth century, hard to build anythign from there). I do however fancy (due to cultural influxes and my expertise in the original Dracula mythos) the idea that he's a cursed characters, and that he didn't willingly pursue his curse, until the very end. Having him "want" to become a vampire sort of strips him of any dramatic impact. Mathias' version was sort of redeemed by his physical sickness. If the story played something along the way of him being frustrated by his body's weakness (think Griffith in Berserk) and pursuing vampirism as a way to be "full" again, the character could have developed its potential more.

4. Yes, fleeing was smart and it also spared us from having an origin story where the main villain already dies (something LoS was wise enough to do too - not saying it couldn't be pulled off, but still) - however it does remove some oomph from the character. By the time I played LoI, I had been through the ordeal of reaching and fighting Dracula, a guy so strong that he could command Death, several times. He's meant to be frightening. And in his origin story... he flees?
That's what Gabriel achieves greatly. There's a specific scene when he turns wearing the Death Mask... and you think "this guy defeated all lords of shadow, and some colossal titans, and an army of monsters on his own, and now he's infused with semidivine power and pissed off. How the hell do you stop him?". I can picture the next game in the LoS continuity and playing a Belmont knowing he will have to eventually face Gabe/Dracula... good luck with that.

While I respect you're opinion on this matter we need to look at a very key fact. Gabriel has a full game based around his character. You control him the entire time. He's the star of his game. However, Mathias is only talked about and then comes in the very end of his game. Moreover, you can't play as him and he's not the hero. If he was the hero of LoI you could compare the two of them. Gabriel would fight titans, vampires, Satan, etc. Mathias(if he were the hero) would fight Medusa, Forgotten One, Walter, Death, etc. Comparing the two on what they did in their games doesn't make sense since one is the hero while the other only has a brief cameo at the end.
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Post by: Lumas on October 04, 2010, 07:24:30 PM
Let me offer a theory of my own, now this is just theoretical and I personally believe los to be non cannon


As far as I know Gabriel becomes Dracula the ending shows this it also shows that he is a vampire. I don't think it shows him actually becoming a vampire so lets say this, he finds out he is actually a member of the Cronqvist family and thus takes his rightful birth name and changes his first name in order to try and move on from his past and separate himself from "Gabriel". He then finds out that the Cronqvists were prominent alchemist and becomes interested then later finds out that Rinaldo the man who created his weapon is also an alchemist and seeks him out. As it turns out Rinaldo has managed to keep his youth through the practicing of alchemy, i mean if we are talking vampires and other supernatural creatures its not beyond the scope of imagination that this would be a problem. During some time he meets elizabetha and later Leon a man bearing his former surname and thus becomes friends with him. During this time Elizabetha dies and Gabriel finally has enough he feels he has lost everything to God and thus is upset to say the least, his last chance at having love is taken from him and thus the events of lament. Now as far as far as the other characters like cornell and carmilla even walter stated that because of his powers he would return so it is, being cv has a lot the reincarnation thing going for it, quite possible and since Soma had no clue that he was the new incarnation of Dracula why not Cornell and Carmilla being they both were dark lords themselves?

Now this is just a theory and possibly has many plot holes so its whatever i believe that LoS isn't part of the cannon so I figured since we were on the topic of "cannon" i would add my own theory.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Lumas on October 04, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Also to note as far as the sorrow games go if Zobek could free Gabriel why not do it? Why wait all this time to do it when he could go to Gabriel enlist him and crush Stans forces before any attempt at relatiation. Perhaps during his time amongst the living he met the Hakubas and found out that they had a means to put an end to him once and for all and free him of his immortality. Maybe at this point after all his failed attempts at dieing he just wanted to find peace so Zobek offers this chance to him. So they raise his Castle once more, the minions of Satan attacked while at the same time Julius and company do and the events of the demons castle war take place. Now with Dracula and Zobek gone the worlds balance is off and thus new Dark lords or Lords of Shadow are needed in order to correct the balance and thus Soma is born.

Again just a hair brain theory
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Nickavelli on October 04, 2010, 09:38:14 PM
What haven't we seen so far in the series ? We have played as mutiple variations of Belmonts and the son of Dracula, but we havent had a chance to play as the man himself ....Dracula. I think Cox and the crew have set it up for the next game. I
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 04, 2010, 10:04:54 PM
Castlevania: Dracula's Quest ;D
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Ahasverus on October 04, 2010, 11:35:35 PM
I think the DLC will feature Gabriel's corruption so we'll play as him... it will be somewhat akward you know, knowing he's Dracula himself  :D
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Lumas on October 05, 2010, 12:02:14 AM
I think the DLC will feature Gabriel's corruption so we'll play as him... it will be somewhat akward you know, knowing he's Dracula himself  :D

Not gonna be awkward for me Ive been waiting to go kill shit as Dracula for long time muahahahaha
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: GuyStarwind on October 05, 2010, 12:12:51 AM
Although most people didn't care for it the fact still remains you can play Dracula in Judgment. However, people might not say it counts due to it being a fighting game.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Kingshango on October 05, 2010, 12:32:32 AM
Not gonna be awkward for me Ive been waiting to go kill shit as Dracula for long time muahahahaha

What's intresting about this is what's gonna be Dracula's fighting style since him using the combat cross is out of the question. I mean it would be akward to see the prince of darkness use a holy weapon let alone a whip.

I expect Dracula to have various weapons at his disposal now as well as the ability to fight bare handed since he wont be confined to one weapon, hey just like......Alucard.

Ok I think I might have an idea on what the DLC is gonna be. ;D


 

Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Lumas on October 05, 2010, 01:04:31 AM
What's intresting about this is what's gonna be Dracula's fighting style since him using the combat cross is out of the question. I mean it would be akward to see the prince of darkness use a holy weapon let alone a whip.

I expect Dracula to have various weapons at his disposal now as well as the ability to fight bare handed since he wont be confined to one weapon, hey just like......Alucard.

Ok I think I might have an idea on what the DLC is gonna be. ;D


 



Yes i agree but i wonder can they fit all the changes to the fighting in one DLC? I would think they can but that would be badass to play as him in his form as seen in the epilogue able to use various weapons. Personally as much as I hope for something like that I'm just gonna assume you'll play as regular gabriel and go through the process of becoming a vampire since it would be the laziest way of doing it.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Valtiel on October 05, 2010, 01:08:44 AM
What's intresting about this is what's gonna be Dracula's fighting style since him using the combat cross is out of the question. I mean it would be akward to see the prince of darkness use a holy weapon let alone a whip.

I expect Dracula to have various weapons at his disposal now as well as the ability to fight bare handed since he wont be confined to one weapon, hey just like......Alucard.

Ok I think I might have an idea on what the DLC is gonna be. ;D


 



If we have to go by past games, he would use mostly magic. Which is good in Gabriel's case, because he masters both light and shadow magic during the game. It's not hard to imagine him becoming eventually so magically adept that he would stop using armor and weapons and just throw fireballs in your face, but that's probably building lore over 16 bit boss mechanics.

I think it's safe to assume Gabriel used knight weaponry (swords, spears, etc) before picking up the Combat Cross. As Dracula he could go back to that... but I wouldn't really hate him using a barbed-chain weapon. It's a new timeline, and it's a new generation of consoles - imagine Simon getting to him and after beating his first, magic-based form, Dracula smirks, summons a red armor from his blood (Gabe was wearing a red armor after all) and whips out a chainlike weapon. Vampire Killer vs Unholy Combat Cross. That fight would be the stuff of legend. Imagine the QTE (yeah yeah, everyone hates them) they could pull off.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Valtiel on October 05, 2010, 01:14:11 AM
Personally as much as I hope for something like that I'm just gonna assume you'll play as regular gabriel and go through the process of becoming a vampire since it would be the laziest way of doing it.

Implementing an entirely new combat system for multiple weapons that doesn't look childish compared to the frankly insanely complex combat system the game already has would warrant a new game.


As an unrelated note, something has been pestering me since last night.

Kojima.

I know, his involvement is limited, but at this point, CL:LoS is basically Metal Gear Solid 3.

I have visions now.

Castlevania: Simon's Revenge.

Simon gets arrested by the Inquisition and sent on a suicide mission to eliminate a traitorous Crusader who's assaulted a castle in Germany and took a few important nobles hostage. His only clue is that the guy's name is Liq... Liam Belmont.

I can already see it. "Brother! You've been fooled! All I want is our ancestor's body! We were magically cloned from him... Les Enfants Belmonts!"  ;D

Stuff of nightmares.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Zobias on October 05, 2010, 02:50:48 AM
Its should have been obvious that Gabriel was going to become Dracula as Lords of Shadow was about Gabriels fall and the introduction of his master
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Inccubus on October 05, 2010, 09:26:23 AM
I bet in some office somewhere in England, Cox is eating this cannon/non-cannon talk up like it were ambrosia itself. ;D
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Valtiel on October 05, 2010, 09:28:23 AM
I bet in some office somewhere in England, Cox is eating this cannon/non-cannon talk up like t were ambrosia itself. ;D

Well I think it's more or less what he wanted; even in times when the games failed to deliver, the Castlevania community thrived on this kind of discussion. He certainly wants the LoS timeline to keep us busy speculating.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Maedhros on October 05, 2010, 11:00:37 AM
Do you know why I think LoS is not cannon?? Because it was stated by Cox himself. So, there it is, CV: LoS is not cannon, FFS!
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 05, 2010, 11:13:00 AM
Do you know why I think LoS is not cannon?? Because it was stated by Cox himself. So, there it is, CV: LoS is not cannon, FFS!
lol where was it stated that it was canon?
post a link confirming this or i call BS sorry
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 05, 2010, 11:22:32 AM
lol where was it stated that it was canon?
post a link confirming this or i call BS sorry

What's there to call BS on? It was never stated that LoS is canon. In fact it was stated many times that it is NOT canon.

Many fans, myself included, have been thinking of ways it's connected to the main series and thus be canonical, but the official word from Cox & his crew is that LoS is not canon.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 05, 2010, 11:25:51 AM
What's there to call BS on? It was never stated that LoS is canon. In fact it was stated many times that it is NOT canon.

Many fans, myself included, have been thinking of ways it's connected to the main series and thus be canonical, but the official word from Cox & his crew is that LoS is not canon.
EDIT
oops i made a mistake sorry lol
i thought he said it WAS canon
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Foffy on October 05, 2010, 12:03:48 PM
Do you know why I think LoS is not cannon?? Because it was stated by Cox himself. So, there it is, CV: LoS is not cannon, FFS!

B-but...fans love to theorize! :3
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Maedhros on October 05, 2010, 01:18:40 PM
B-but...fans love to theorize! :3
I like theories too, but when the game producer says that the story of this game isn't connected to the other games (from the other timeline), why can't we believe it? I'm reading theories here trying to connect this game with LoI, 1999 events... the problem with that is that these events never happened on this timeline, because we have only one game. We can speculate about what'll happen on the future, we can speculate if the events on the future will be similar to what happens on the other timeline, but try to put it on that timeline is wrong.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 05, 2010, 05:10:38 PM
Is there a trick to these QTE's? I've fought the Swamp Troll seriously 10 times and just cannot seem to time the finishing moves once I grab him....
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on October 05, 2010, 05:18:04 PM
You may press the button a ANY TIME AFTER the circles converge, but not before.  If you do it before, you will fail.
So you basically have whatever time in between the circles being together, and the 2nd circle disappearing to do it.

LOL Also I just picked up the Ganondorf Punch/Falcon Punch!
FALCON... PAWNCH!!!!

EDIT:
LOLz!
"If I die this day, I die having seen and experienced things no other man can lay claim to, and so I can happily declare that the 'Cake' is not a lie!"
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 05, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Thanks...I got it. Turned out I was doing it wrong and jamming the button instead of tapping it at the precise moment. Doh!  >:(
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Valtiel on October 05, 2010, 11:23:09 PM

Many fans, myself included, have been thinking of ways it's connected to the main series and thus be canonical, but the official word from Cox & his crew is that LoS is not canon.

But that's not what Dave said. The point he made is that it's not part of the old (IGA) canon. It's not like IGA's story is the official one and this is fanfiction. For what we know, from now on Castlevania lore may be built on LoS' lore instead.

While the idea of throwing away 20 years of love and speculation scares me, IGA took the "canon" in some terrible, obscure places and ruined it at both extremes (LoI's was a terrible origins story, and the Soma games completely killed the story's ending).
I can very much see the need for a full reboot to rebuild the lore in a functional, enjoyable way. I've got some mixed feelings on some of the LoS events, but let's see how they move from here.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Munchy on October 06, 2010, 01:04:00 AM
But that's not what Dave said. The point he made is that it's not part of the old (IGA) canon. It's not like IGA's story is the official one and this is fanfiction. For what we know, from now on Castlevania lore may be built on LoS' lore instead.

While the idea of throwing away 20 years of love and speculation scares me, IGA took the "canon" in some terrible, obscure places and ruined it at both extremes (LoI's was a terrible origins story, and the Soma games completely killed the story's ending).
I can very much see the need for a full reboot to rebuild the lore in a functional, enjoyable way. I've got some mixed feelings on some of the LoS events, but let's see how they move from here.

Well, Cox said he didn't want to be "Mr. Castlevania" so to speak, so I think it's safe to say LoS will be sorta self-contained. Unless there's a sequel.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Thunderbrand on October 06, 2010, 06:53:29 AM
Well, Cox said he didn't want to be "Mr. Castlevania" so to speak, so I think it's safe to say LoS will be sorta self-contained. Unless there's a sequel.

I would imagine there will be another one. It would seem the game is selling pretty well right off the bat, and it's getting great reviews. Plus if this game is potentially gonna be in the running for Game of the Year, then that should force Konami into making another one.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on October 06, 2010, 08:43:53 AM
LOL I love the little part where you sneak into one of the shafts of the Castle and you hear a very quick and subtle "Metal Gear Solid Theme" musical cue. :3
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: JBoc973 on October 06, 2010, 09:03:03 AM
Does that part happen to be right before seeing the butcher? If so, yeah, the way you navigated through it also reminded me of MGS.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Zobias on October 08, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
Remember when Carmilla tells Gabriel "You will become one of us; it is inevitable."

That was one of the many allusions to who he was turning into in the game.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on October 08, 2010, 08:15:49 PM
I kinda saw all of this coming.  When I saw Cornell, I noticed that his outfit at the bottom was the same as Zobek's.  And Zobek's character entry says "he wears the uniform he inherited from his ancestor, one of the creators of the Order".
(click to show/hide)

When you see Carmilla, you see that her outfit has similarities to the Order outfit, in the shoulders.
Title: Re: Thunderbrand's Spoiler thread---
Post by: Harrycombs on October 08, 2010, 08:19:22 PM
LOL I love the little part where you sneak into one of the shafts of the Castle and you hear a very quick and subtle "Metal Gear Solid Theme" musical cue. :3

Hearing the metal gear solid theme made me wonder why we didn't hear anymore classic castlevania tunes. I enjoyed its inclusion but I think they are trying a little to hard to showcase Kojima's involvement.