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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: VampirehunterB on March 06, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
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Though you've probably seen this before, really nice!
Alucard vs Richter Belmont - SOTN Epic Castle Brawl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-ERk5-Ufs#ws)
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Okay. That was pretty badass!
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That's really cool, aside from the outcome of that battle. Richter would defeat Alucard. In fact, every Belmont would defeat Alucard. It's their destiny.
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I would have bought this in a heartbeat if it was real.
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Oh yes I remembered I wanted to reply to this on the other thread lol. I have seen this video. It's really creative and awesome, and quite addictive to watch too.
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That's really cool, aside from the outcome of that battle. Richter would defeat Alucard. In fact, every Belmont would defeat Alucard. It's their destiny.
*In b4 20 pages of argument*
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*In b4 20 pages of argument*
Don't worry there is no argument. While it is true that Dracula can defeat Dracula, Belmont always defeats Dracula.
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This is a tale of evil souls and whips, transcending the world and history....
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There's actually a decent fan game by Serio that's a 2D Castlevania fighting game. Made in Mugen. Compared to other fan games, it's great.
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That's really cool, aside from the outcome of that battle. Richter would defeat Alucard. In fact, every Belmont would defeat Alucard. It's their destiny.
Eh, I disagree... a Belmont can doesn't equal a Belmont will always. If that was true... Dracula wouldn't even be a threat.... but more a fart in the wind. Alucard would be the same.
That said, I can't tell if I've seen this before. I remember the intro, but not sop much the rest.
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The Belmonts are my favourite characters..but well...Alucard did defeat him in the original game as well..and..I don't know...considering that Alucard has been the most powerful in-game character in the series, I don't think anyone can win over him..
has anyone tried Alucard with level 99+2Xring of varda+crissaegrim(or alucard sword)+Alucard shield with shield rod? thats true power(plus he can use all the classical subweapons as well)=p!
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I dunno about fighting Richter at full power, but surely Alucard could defeat brainwashed Richter, which he apparently is judging by how his dialogue is the same as in the game. 8)
In any case, awesome awesome movie. Rhapsody of Ruin, huh? Wonder if there's more ;o
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I think the more accurate comment SHOULD have been good will always win. Richter was under evil possession, so he lost. If Alucard was the evil one, HE would have lost.
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Brainwashed Richter is still pretty darn tough to kill with out the holy glasses and holy armor
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I think the more accurate comment SHOULD have been good will always win. Richter was under evil possession, so he lost. If Alucard was the evil one, HE would have lost.
Though it somehow feels like Alucard would become even stronger if Dracula successfully would have manipulated him to the evil side..unleasing his full vampiric powers combined with the holy powers=p
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The canon battle was actually Alucard vs orb. He never defeated Richter.
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The canon battle was actually Alucard vs orb. He never defeated Richter.
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Also means Richter never beat Alucard either. The way I see it, it's hard for any of them to really defeat the other.
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No, but Trevor did and the Belmont become stronger with every generation for some reason, so yeah.
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I know it's been going around that they do... but yea, they never explained it.. it just seemed to have been thrown out there by igarashi, right?
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The Belmonts are my favourite characters..but well...Alucard did defeat him in the original game as well..and..I don't know...considering that Alucard has been the most powerful in-game character in the series, I don't think anyone can win over him..
has anyone tried Alucard with level 99+2Xring of varda+crissaegrim(or alucard sword)+Alucard shield with shield rod? thats true power(plus he can use all the classical subweapons as well)=p!
Trevor defeated Alucard and, in canon, Alucard never defeated Richter. Alucard destroyed the mind controlling device that was brainwashing Richter.
Edit: Oops. This was already stated by others.
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Trevor defeated Alucard and, in canon, Alucard never defeated Richter. Alucard destroyed the mind controlling device that was brainwashing Richter.
yes but keep in mind that Alucard is much more powerful in SOTN than in CV III..I mean, he was rather weak in CV III.
(perhaps Trevor was 1/4 Vampiric since it is claimed that Alucard is the father of Trevor, through Sonia Belmont...)
Don't get me wrong think the Belmont clan are the coolest ones and they should be the strongest characters...but fact is that Alucard is superior; judging from how powerful he became with all level ups and items in SOTN..I mean, you can't literary die when pushing his stats to the limit!
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Brainwashed Richter is still pretty darn tough to kill with out the holy glasses and holy armor
And don't forget the blue Iron shield to block Richter's attacks.
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yes but keep in mind that Alucard is much more powerful in SOTN than in CV III..I mean, he was rather weak in CV III.
(perhaps Trevor was 1/4 Vampiric since it is claimed that Alucard is the father of Trevor, through Sonia Belmont...)
Don't get me wrong think the Belmont clan are the coolest ones and they should be the strongest characters...but fact is that Alucard is superior; judging from how powerful he became with all level ups and items in SOTN..I mean, you can't literary die when pushing his stats to the limit!
Come on, man. Of course Alucard appears stronger in SotN than in Dracula's Curse. It's called console limitations/console improvements. And you can't say "Well, this character was level 99 in game X" because there are no "levels" in the games' universes. Alucard may be able to win in an arm wrestling contest, due to his vampiric powers, but never in combat with a Belmont.
Also, the Belmonts are humans who battled and defeated both Dracula and Alucard while in their late teens/early twenties. Even with Dracula's and Alucard's hundreds of years of experience they still could not defeat the Belmonts.
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Not to mention They have a little something called VAMPIRE KILLER, which kills vampires. :B Alucard is no exception.
Also...
(perhaps Trevor was 1/4 Vampiric since it is claimed that Alucard is the father of Trevor, through Sonia Belmont...)
I strictly recall Legends having been removed from the Castlevania timeline by IGA.
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Come on, man. Of course Alucard appears stronger in SotN than in Dracula's Curse. It's called console limitations/console improvements. And you can't say "Well, this character was level 99 in game X" because there are no "levels" in the games' universes. Alucard may be able to win in an arm wrestling contest, due to his vampiric powers, but never in combat with a Belmont.
I don't really understand the armwrestling thing, but..I think one must reflect upon the characters powers within the boundries of game series universe itself and each character's potential strenght developed. And if you would maximise the powers of both Richter and Alucard in sotn and put them in a fight, I don't see any other outcome than Alucard winning..as everyone knows, he was exteremely overpowered in the game, even more than Richter.
And none of us can judge any further than what we witnessed in sotn, since they haven't showed up anymore since then as fighting characters. sotn was the last representation of them, and so their powers are simply those presented in sotn.
Also, the Belmonts are humans who battled and defeated both Dracula and Alucard while in their late teens/early twenties. Even with Dracula's and Alucard's hundreds of years of experience they still could not defeat the Belmonts.
Clearly Alucard's strenght increased drastically since he left his father..it's also mentioned in the recollection CD.
but you know, that is just for the present, nobody knows what Konami will bring up in the future..
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Not to mention They have a little something called VAMPIRE KILLER, which kills vampires. :B Alucard is no exception.
Well Alucard is not a full blooded vampire, he's human as well..I doubt that it has the same power against him=p
Also...
I strictly recall Legends having been removed from the Castlevania timeline by IGA.
you're correct, he deleted it from the storyline, according to castlevania wikia.
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I prefer Alucard than any Belmont, hell, I even prefer Shanoa than a Belmont any day.
It's incorrect to assume that Alucard or Richter would win a fight between them. Seriously, just because the name of the whip is Vampire Killer it doesn't mean shit. Just because it's a Belmont doesn't mean they HAVE to win.
Anything about this will never be known and such only fan speculation, which does mean nothing.
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I prefer Alucard than any Belmont, hell, I even prefer Shanoa than a Belmont any day.
It's incorrect to assume that Alucard or Richter would win a fight between them. Seriously, just because the name of the whip is Vampire Killer it doesn't mean shit. Just because it's a Belmont doesn't mean they HAVE to win.
Anything about this will never be known and such only fan speculation, which does mean nothing.
But it's tradition.
Which is something you can't easily ignore.
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Well Alucard did lose to Trevor Belmont in Castlevania 3
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Vampires and Dhampires seem to get stronger with age, so he'd be stronger as time passes.
Also, Alucard took it easy on both Sonia and Trevor. More like a test of their will than an actual "I'm gonna kill you" type of battle.
Not that I'm rooting for him or anything. Trevor rocks and Richter sucks. **waves Retro 8-Bit Trevor flag**
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Also, Alucard took it easy on both Sonia and Trevor
That's not the impression I got
Alucard (CVIII) "I'm surprised you beat me.I've been waiting for you. I need you to help me destroy Dracula"
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I also believe the Belmonts were stronger than Alucard in that period, but not in the present(the sotn era).
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Vampires and Dhampires seem to get stronger with age, so he'd be stronger as time passes.
Also, Alucard took it easy on both Sonia and Trevor. More like a test of their will than an actual "I'm gonna kill you" type of battle.
Not that I'm rooting for him or anything. Trevor rocks and Richter sucks. **waves Retro 8-Bit Trevor flag**
Richter gets way too much mention. Trevor FTW. Trevor's got that badass scar going on that eye, and Judgement gave him a freaking eyepatch. (which was pretty neat too)
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Vampires and Dhampires seem to get stronger with age, so he'd be stronger as time passes.
Also, Alucard took it easy on both Sonia and Trevor. More like a test of their will than an actual "I'm gonna kill you" type of battle.
Not that I'm rooting for him or anything. Trevor rocks and Richter sucks. **waves Retro 8-Bit Trevor flag**
How would Alucard grow stronger by sleeping for hundreds of years? And I never played Legends so I don't know much about the battle between Alucard and Sonia, the game was retconned anyway, but never was it implied that Alucard went easy on Trevor in Dracula's Curse. Trevor defeated him fair and square.
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C'mon dude. Teleport+Fireball? It was more of an homage battle than anything else.
Hell, the coffin uses the same sprites as Dracula's from CV1.
If he fought him in his true form, the ball of destruction would've flown further and faster than Trevor's whip and he would've 'Ugh' flinched (although it would not have done as much damage).
With Sonia, he would not have killed her (even you can die at him if you suck).
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If he fought him in his true form, the ball of destruction would've flown further and faster than Trevor's whip and he would've 'Ugh' flinched (although it would not have done as much damage).
With Sonia, he would not have killed her (even you can die at him if you suck).
Regardless of how Alucard actually fought in his Boss battle it still represents a point in Castlevania's story where Alucard was bettered by a Belmont.
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Regardless of how Alucard's boss battle actually played out it still represents a point in Castlevania's story where Alucard was bettered by a Belmont.
And I agree with this. Both stories with Trevor and Sonia state that Alucard wasn't going easy on either of them. He was testing them and he did so at his full power at the time. Sonia asked Alucard at the end of their fight whether or not he was going easy on her and he told her he didn't. She had made Alucard believe in her power at the end. and it's just the same with CV3. Alucard gave it his all but could not bring down Trevor. Both game stories indicate as such. In case no-one believes me then they should You Tube it to find out.
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Regardless of how Alucard's boss battle actually played out it still represents a point in Castlevania's story where Alucard was bettered by a Belmont.
And I agree with this. Both stories with Trevor and Sonia state that Alucard wasn't going easy on either of them. He was testing them and he did so at his full power at the time. Sonia asked Alucard at the end of their fight whether or not he was going easy on her and he told her he didn't. She had made Alucard believe in her power at the end. and it's just the same with CV3. Alucard gave it his all but could not bring down Trevor. Both game stories indicate as such. In case no-one believes me then they should You Tube it to find out.
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right, but the fact remains that he is the strongest character in sotn, and one needs to judge the present, not the past...
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right, but the fact remains that he is the strongest character in sotn
What tells you he's the stongest?
Sure it's possible to defeat Richter when he is possessed in Sotn but really your not meant to
it's also possible for Alucard to die at the hands each & every monster in the game but your not meant to
because that gives you a game over just like beating Richter gives you a bad ending.
one needs to judge the present, not the past...
I have yet to see a canon instance where Alucard beats Richter so as far as I'm concerned
Belmonts 1 Alucard 0
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Bad Ending in SotN = Richter getting his shit ruined.
I don't think being possessed makes him weak.
EDIT- Nevermind, that's not canon. xD
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No, but it does make him an antagonist, which we know will undoubtedly lose, since we the player must face him. Even when NOT an antagonist, just another boss, we know hell lose. Because progressing in the story requires it.
Unless its story relevant that you lose, much like Megaman X6's first meeting with Highmax in the intro stage. (you dont actually, lose, but you cant damage him, so after a while the battle automatically ends and cutscene takes over)
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After reading over this whole thing I have to come to a few different points.
1. Richter(as well as all Belmonts) use HOLY powers. However, with Shaft controlling Richter with DARK powers I could see where the two powers could clash and make Richters true power weaker.
2. The Vampire Killer does damage to all vampires. It doesn't matter if Alucard is only part it's the fact he still has some in him.
3. One could argue and say Alucard went "easy" on Trevor. Well, maybe he did maybe he didn't? However, Dracula who is full 100% vampire sure as hell didn't go easy on any Belmont. I would also say Dracula is more powerful then Alucard being lord of vampires and all that stuff.
4. Who knows maybe Alucard is the strongest in the SotN era? However, I think his glory days are short lived when a Belmont named Julius comes and takes the glory. Not to mention Belmonts just kind of vanish soon after SotN so anyone could claim the title most powerful.
When it comes to who is stronger we really can't say. We don't have any hard proof just theories.
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Alucard kills Dracula with a damn shield. A SHIELD.
Seriously, I've never saw a strong Dracula on any of the latest Castlevania games. (And the early ones are difficult because of the shitty controls)
Your point 4 is kinda of right: we don't know. But Alucard is still alive after Julius era.
The only thing we can affirm is that Alucard is damn strong. Period.
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I also have a point to make that I don't really think has ever been discussed. It comes down to whether or not Alucard feeds or not. For all we know, that detail may affect everything. Being that he is half vampire, he craves blood. That being said, if he doesn't feed, he is essentially starving half of who he is which means that he may not have ever realized his ultimate potential. I mean if he is partially starving himself, how can he truly fight at his absolute full potential? I could see him not feeding during the time of SotN and before, but once we get the late 20th century, synthetic blood has been developed. So, depending on the time period we're taking about Alucard may not be able to access his true potential. If the fight was between Julius in his prime and Alucard (who could be drinking synthetic blood), Alucard may be more powerful. Of course, this all assumes that drinking blood affects Alucard's overall power.
This is just a theory though.
By the way, that was a awesome video.
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Arguably the Belmonts have superhuman power beyond simply using the whips and various sub-weapons.
Regarding Alucard and feeding, Alucard knows the spell of Soul Steal, which I'm under the impression heals you of a certain amount of points multiplied by whatever enemies are on the screen. Therefore whether or not he feeds on blood is irrelevant, because I interpret the healing function of Soul Steal to mean an absorption of animating soul energy, therefore standing in for the drinking blood part. Also, Alucard knows the spell of Dark Metamorphosis, which if I remember rightly, gains HP back from blood spilling enemies.
I would say that Alucard's hunting targets are probably evil people and that he does feed, but feeds exclusively on them. Therefore he is not starving his vampiric half. However he speaks of going into a long sleep, so this theory could be dead wrong.
I think that a controlled evil-aligned Alucard is probably one of the most dangerous things you can run into in a CV universe, aside from Galamoth and a few other late game boss enemies.
Richter AND Alucard vs. Galamoth fully powered? [fully powered meaning HP/MP maxed out and set at the most difficult and aggressive AI patterns].
Who would win THAT?
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Alucard's a Dhampyre so I don't think he needs to worry about blood for a meal. His human side can supplement his vampiric side while Alucard can just eat a regular meal to supplement his human side. No real biggie there.
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I also have a point to make that I don't really think has ever been discussed. It comes down to whether or not Alucard feeds or not. For all we know, that detail may affect everything. Being that he is half vampire, he craves blood. That being said, if he doesn't feed, he is essentially starving half of who he is which means that he may not have ever realized his ultimate potential. I mean if he is partially starving himself, how can he truly fight at his absolute full potential? I could see him not feeding during the time of SotN and before, but once we get the late 20th century, synthetic blood has been developed. So, depending on the time period we're taking about Alucard may not be able to access his true potential. If the fight was between Julius in his prime and Alucard (who could be drinking synthetic blood), Alucard may be more powerful. Of course, this all assumes that drinking blood affects Alucard's overall power.
This is just a theory though.
By the way, that was a awesome video.
Ever used Dark Metamorphosis?
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Ever used Dark Metamorphosis?
Yes, I've used it. But I wasn't talking about it. I was just thinking that he may not drink blood regular basis and thus may be somewhat starving his vampire side. And, if that was the case, he may not be able to use his true potential.
It was just a thought though. Besides, as someone already said, he may only have to sustain one of his sides (human or vampire).