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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: Abnormal Freak on July 20, 2011, 11:57:17 PM
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http://www.neoseeker.com/news/16920-chainsaw-wielding-cheerleader-hunts-down-zombies-in-lollipop-chainsaw/ (http://www.neoseeker.com/news/16920-chainsaw-wielding-cheerleader-hunts-down-zombies-in-lollipop-chainsaw/)
I'm so down for that.
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The cheerleader reminds me of Brittany Spears. By the way, who is the floating head supposed to be? Is it a nod to those cheesy zombie flicks like Evil Dead?
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I'm not sure what's up about the decapitated head. I half-wonder (not seriously, but I suppose it could be a possibility) if it's Johnson from Suda's Shadows of the Damned, pre-skull but post-decapitation. :p
Whatever the case, I am intrigued. I've got a BIG BONER for SUDA51 games.
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Looking interesting, i'm all up for games that they have zombies, vampires or medieval settings!!!
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Definitely interesting. At the very least I'm looking forward to the soundtrack as Yamaoka is one of my favorite artists in the industry.
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Yamaoka never disappoints. Dude's a legend.
Check out the Play for Japan album available on iTunes and Amazon MP3. Yamaoka put it all together and contributed one song. Buncha video game composers doing tunes in tribute to those who've suffered as a result of the tsunami and earthquakes. Really rippin' track on there that's a total lovenote to Computerwelt-era Kraftwerk, even has a very similar melody at one point.
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Suda 51 keeps making rediculous yet awesome games. I'm a huge fan of the No More Heroes games, and this and the other recent game he did look great. Will be picking this up whenever it comes out.
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Pick up killer7 on GameCube if you haven't already. It's my favorite of his works.
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The one thing I like about high school girls, is that I keep getting older and they stay the same age 8)
Wit that said, can't wait to see the game in action probably around TGS time.
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Holy ball-lickin' awesome, James Gunn is helping to write the game (http://www.jamesgunn.com/2011/08/01/my-new-video-game-with-suda15-grasshopper-lollipop-chainsaw/). His work on Tromeo & Juliet is awesome, and Slither is also super cool.
Tromeo & Juliet: Dreaming of Popcorn and Rats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbtsLed5twM#)
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Still with the teen things, huh Abnormal Freak?
I think this entire thread needs to go have a seat over there.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages02%2F85%2F93763de6c10843fe93a75f8a1b3ae949%2Fl.png&hash=5d13e665d6e9f50e22da5e9434bd922776cd0bff)
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Hey, Juliet Starling is 18. ;D Totally legal.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-snc6%2F281530_234796633227912_224614054246170_729841_4657412_n.jpg&hash=71e6294e34d248c2fd27b545e5ac4e6903ea8490)
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Legal, barely legal ;)
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Also, this game is coming to North America thanks to Warner Bros (wait wha?)
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/36272/Warner_Bros_Bringing_Grasshoppers_Lollipop_Chainsaw_To_Western_Territories.php (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/36272/Warner_Bros_Bringing_Grasshoppers_Lollipop_Chainsaw_To_Western_Territories.php)
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Yay for 18 year olds :D
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Ummm...yesssss gimme now!
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debut trailer
Lollipop Chainsaw - Announcement Trailer (PlayStation 3) - GameSpot Video (http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/action/lollipop-chainsaw/video/6328669)
Silence and require my currency!
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Very nice trailer!!! ;D
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Man, Suda51 makes the craziest games. xD
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Stupid, undead douchebags!
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LOL, crazy as always. I wonder how high will it be on the (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.deviantart.net%2Favatars%2Fw%2Ft%2Fwtfboomplz.gif%3F1&hash=de8a6219a419973f6f1edab8574cce50f03ab87d) scale...
(Since it didn't turn out visible, the animated smiley says "WHAT THE FU-" before going boom.)
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That looks so... BADASS! :D
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Dude... I saw the trailer on GT. It looks so AWESOME!
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Here's the Japanese debut trailer. Essentially the same, but with a lot of added goodies.
ロリポップチェーンソー予告編 | Lollipop Chainsaw Debut Trailer JPN version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgtIrgykGdo#ws)
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Sorry, but is that a boner I'm feeling?
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Hey, hands off my crotch!
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Not too different from the american trailer, but they emphasized more on the sparkly, glittery bits.
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And some additional zombie action. Like zombie heads being thrown in the basketball hoops. ;D
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Oh please, if it was yours, I probably wouldn't even notice it! ;D
I just hope that Cheerleader isn't a trap... frozen half was pretty bad blow to my manhood when I found out. I can't take another.
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That looks...crazy awesome?
The cheerleader reminds me of Brittany Spears. By the way, who is the floating head supposed to be? Is it a nod to those cheesy zombie flicks like Evil Dead?
"Its Britney....bitch"
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I think I'll pass on this one, I'm all Zombied out for a Decade...
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Mofoz, it be hittin' US shores TO-MOR-ROW. My initial plan to get to the store when it opens and rush home to play it all day is being hampered, though, 'cos of work. D:
Hopefully I'll have some free time in the evening to ravish in it.
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I might pick it up tomorrow. If not, next week.
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I'm currently on the fence about it.
It looks fun and all, but I've heard that one of the VA's in the English version has had some child molestation charges filed against him. I don't doubt that the friend who told me that believes it to be true, but it may just be slander/libel meant to tarnish the reputation of the game's English release. If it IS true, I'll have to bite the bullet and not buy this game, even though it looks stupidly fun and awesome.
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That's a pretty unusual reason to not buy a game, in my opinion. And one I disagree with.
If a game is made with a team of 20 or as much as 100 people, there is bound to be at least one person who isn't the best of the apples. By that logic, would you boycott all games?
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If you're considering not buying this game because of a Bad Thing one of the people involved did (spoilers: there is probably at least one person on every game dev team who has done a really terrible thing), I don't know what to tell you. Not because child molestation isn't a an awful act -- it is one of the most harmful things a human can do --, but because Lollipop Chainsaw is already awful-looking enough itself. It's simply more violence porn and sexual objectification with some sort of "But wait -- it's all ironic!!!" slant that doesn't excuse the perpetuation of the aesthetic grossness one bit. And the irony is overdone, anyway. Get a new schtick, Suda.
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That's a pretty unusual reason to not buy a game, in my opinion. And one I disagree with.
It's not all that unusual, really. I simply don't want to put my money towards a product where some of that money would wind up in the hands of a person who may have molested a child. I pass up a lot of games these days for similar reasons.
Then again, the guy may actually be clean. If he is, I will bite my words and buy the game, because it is one I've been looking forward to. If that's the case, show's over and everyone goes home happy.
If he's guilty, I won't sob myself to sleep over missing out on a single game; there are always more fish in the sea.
I'm sure Suda51 would be happy to have my money, but I doubt they'd cry over missing one purchase, especially because this game will likely sell rather well.
Agree to disagree, but that's how I do my best to operate. How you spend your money is your business, and how I spend mine is my business.
I'm admittedly a little disheartened by your conflicting viewpoint on this matter, but I won't try to force my views on this. It just means we have slightly different codes of honor/morals concerning our favorite entertainment medium.
We cool? ;)
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We would be, except you somewhat just took a jab at my code of honor.
Eh, we're still cool.
Guess you'll wait for the verdict before purchasing.
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Guess you'll wait for the verdict before purchasing.
Yep. I trust the friend I heard it from, but he hasn't given me a specific name, which leaves open the possibility he made it up. If I DO get a name from him, I'll do what any curious and interested net denizen does: consult Sage Google and his brother, Brother Bing.
I'll let you know what I find, if you're interested.
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The guy in question is legally clean, and he goes by the stage name of Jimmy Urine. He HAS written some songs with, well, shall we say "questionable lyrics" (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/mindlessselfindulgence/pantyshot.html).
Seriously not digging those lyrics in an old school way.
I may or may not get the game at this point, but the guy himself is definitely kind of creepy.
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Haha, if I like the game, I do not care of the arguably dubious escapades of one of the people in the team.
Hell, even if I don't like the game, I generally do not care for such trivial matters.
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Haha, if I like the game, I do not care of the arguably dubious escapades of one of the people in the team.
Hell, even if I don't like the game, I generally do not care for such trivial matters.
That I get.
I'm definitely giving the game more thought. Still, the man's getting paid, no matter what I do. So, Suda51 may get my money yet.
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The guy in question is legally clean, and he goes by the stage name of Jimmy Urine. He HAS written some songs with, well, shall we say "questionable lyrics" (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/mindlessselfindulgence/pantyshot.html).
Seriously not digging those lyrics in an old school way.
I may or may not get the game at this point, but the guy himself is definitely kind of creepy.
Ha ha, oh man, I was racking my brain trying to think who this person might be, and if I'd heard of anything about child molestation. When you mentioned Jimmy Urine, it was kind of a "lol" moment for me. I'm not a Mindless Self Indulgence fan, but I've heard plenty of their songs, and far as I can tell it's totally tongue-in-cheek type stuff. Pegging Jimmy Urine for child molestation is about as easy and ridiculous as saying Dario Argento is a potential murderer or Marilyn Manson is the devil—it's a wild assumption based on theatrics and mistaking art for real life.
And Jimmy's part in the game is awesome. Totally off the wall punk rock zombie who screams profanity at you and the words literally attack you. And he wrote the song during his boss fight. It's badass.
--, but because Lollipop Chainsaw is already awful-looking enough itself. It's simply more violence porn and sexual objectification with some sort of "But wait -- it's all ironic!!!" slant that doesn't excuse the perpetuation of the aesthetic grossness one bit. And the irony is overdone, anyway. Get a new schtick, Suda.
No. Never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never. SUDA51 is a beautiful godlike being who must continue doing everything he's done so right all these years.
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I'm currently on the fence about it.
It looks fun and all, but I've heard that one of the VA's in the English version has had some child molestation charges filed against him. I don't doubt that the friend who told me that believes it to be true, but it may just be slander/libel meant to tarnish the reputation of the game's English release. If it IS true, I'll have to bite the bullet and not buy this game, even though it looks stupidly fun and awesome.
Not to belittle your hesitance in purchasing (and not knowing all the particulars of that accusation), but I don't think VAs on video games get residual checks.
Anyway, I'm waiting on it because it's a Suda 51 game and you just know it's going to drop in price very quickly. I was pissed when Shadows of the Damned dropped to $20 literally the week after I got it for $40.
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To busy with other stuff like trying to learn how to drive, pratice my tennis first time too :), oh and darksiders,onimusha,soul calibur V, and slient hill collection too with a little of tales of the abyss/vesperia :)
I look at this and maybe I should cut back on some of this stuff. No wonder why it's so hard for me to complete a game I should just concentrate one at a time.
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No. Never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never.
Sorry. It's true. I mean, if you're going to keep buying his stuff, at least own up to it being embarrassing murder-boner kitsch with a side helping of misogyny. I think Killer7 is the only worthwhile project Suda has been involved with -- mostly because of its richly interpretable character roles and politically charged world --, but it's brought down pretty hard by the banal mechanics. No More Heroes was kind of a cute, although shallow, "Fuck You" if you read it as a critique of videogames (spaces for power fantasies) and videogamers (people who will engage in endless murder for the sake of the spectacle and sense of climbing ranks). NMH2 was a sequel that didn't push the patronization hard enough. Shadows of the Damned was technically competent and forgettable. Penis jokes where the joke is "haha I'm using a euphemism for a penis (or just outright saying BONER! LOL!)" are not funny. And now Lollipop Chainsaw is just another addition to that vacuous history, only now your avatar is a sexual fetish given physical form, and you're killing zombies (surely not an overused trope!). But gamers seem to love zombies, because it's easier to not get uncomfortable about gorily killing legions of humans when they look less human.
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You're talking to someone who watches endless amounts of gory horror flicks and dabbles in the pinky violence genre. I think your argument is pretty much lost on me, dude. ;)
I'll continue to love SUDA51 till I'm old and gray and my arms fall off. Some of the most worthwhile gaming experiences I've had in the past decade.
That said, I'd love if Suda took an approach more akin to killer7. It's by far my favorite of his works.
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Also, while the whole zombie thing is certainly overplayed, Lollipop Chainsaw is excusable because (a) it kicks ass, and (b) it pays homage to some of the best zombie films ever, like Return of the Living Dead (O'Bannon Farm) and Lucio Fulci (Fulci Fun Center). Throw in a nod to Braindead (a.k.a. Dead Alive) and Dellamorte Dellamore (a.k.a. Cemetery Man) and I'll have cumstains in my pants for weeks.
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I'm probably going to be playing this one eventually. I just recently played Shadows of the Damned, and loved it so much that I played through the whole thing in one setting, something I've never done with a game that length (though it was a little on the short side). If that's the sort of stuff I can expect from SUDA51, sign me up.
I've also owned Killer 7 for several years, and No More Heroes for a few, but haven't played either yet (my backlog of games is a little crazy). After having played Shadows of the Damned, I'll probably get around to one or the other really soon.
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Lollipop Chainsaw is excusable because (a) it kicks ass
This doesn't say anything.
and (b) it pays homage to some of the best zombie films ever, like Return of the Living Dead (O'Bannon Farm) and Lucio Fulci (Fulci Fun Center). Throw in a nod to Braindead (a.k.a. Dead Alive) and Dellamorte Dellamore (a.k.a. Cemetery Man) and I'll have cumstains in my pants for weeks.
Being excited by a homage Because It's A Homage fits right into the definition of a fetish, and fetishistic things never have any substance because they're about objectification. Zombies were interesting when they were an explorable symbol of xenophobia. Now, they are -- like I said -- a way for gamers to feel less guilt about being sociopaths when they gleefully kills hundreds of zombies, guts and limbs flying everywhere. Which is funny, because that's still a form of xenophobia as expressed through interactive discretion, but the games have nothing to do with that idea, so it's just violence for violence's sake.
You don't seem to have an argument outside of "this's gon' fuckin' raWK!!!"
But that's pretty much what I expected from people playing this kind of game.
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There really IS no other reason to like it. :p I like the absurd comedy and just how fun the experience is. It's ridiculous when people gotta overanalyze things to the point of needing some cultural-social-significant-buttfuck-bullshit to enjoy entertainment. Goddamn, dude, get off your pseudo-intellectual pedestal, no one cares.
Also, sheezus, why are you making serious retorts to my obviously silly, not-wanting-or-needing-to-make-a-convincing-or-deeply-thought-out-argument reasons for liking the game? It's kind of baffling. I like objectification, fetishism, voyeurism, immaturity, and mindlessness in my entertainment—and I've never felt a desire to explain it to myself other than, "I like it." It's like Kevin Eastman comics, which are rife with profanity, sex, violence, and so forth. It's the kind of thing an adolescent male would think is awesome—and it is! There doesn't need to be any kind of wink to the audience in order for any of it to be acceptable. It just seems to me like you're atop a Grand High Horse with a ten-foot Golden Rod up your ass.
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It's like in movies. Most of the people that make movies don't get royalties. Same with games. Most of the people that make games don't get royalties. The companies pay off some people to make their shit then hope they make more than they paid the people. Hell, look through a list of video game staff. Nowadays game credits are almost as long as movie credits. You think everyone that made Prometheus will make money based on ticket sales and Blu-Ray sales? Hardly. More like 10 or 20 people will. Same with video games at a smaller level, with only 3 or 4 people probably getting royalties and even then it won't be rolling in much cash.
I won't buy this game because I don't have a console to play it on.
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It's not all that unusual, really. I simply don't want to put my money towards a product where some of that money would wind up in the hands of a person who may have molested a child. I pass up a lot of games these days for similar reasons.
Eh... I'm going to have to agree with Jorge on this.
1, like Jorge said, if you follow such philosophies, and more so if it applies to other unscrupulous actions, you'd have to pretty much give up on life... because it might change hands once or twice but it'll always end up somewhere with someone you don't want to have it. Like not buying a computer because of foxconn (because pretty much every major computer product went through foxconn).
and 2, there are bad eggs everywhere, you shouldn't let that affect your life.
But that's just me, I guess.
This doesn't say anything.
I think it does... mainly because for me... being overplayed doesn't mean anything, being bad does. If it's good, or kick ass, as said, it is fine by me.
This game does look pretty bad ass imo, I want to play it...
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I simply don't want to put my money towards a product where some of that money would wind up in the hands of a person who may have molested a child. I pass up a lot of games these days for similar reasons.
Why don't you just buy it used? That's what I did with the Silent Hill HD collection, because I don't want Konami getting my money or my purchase stat for such shoddy work.
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What's wrong with the Silent Hill HD Collection? D: Aside from the original SH3 voices not being present. I'm just curious 'cos I was intending to get it eventually. Think I heard the PS3 version had some problems that have been patched or maybe Konami said they'd patch it but never did...
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Graphics were pretty much washed out, screwed up in shaders, etc.
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I'm definitely giving the game more thought. Still, the man's getting paid, no matter what I do. So, Suda51 may get my money yet.
Quoted, as it seems a few people missed this post of mine.
In the time since that exchange, it's moved into my Amazon shopping cart, awaiting my next influx of cash.
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Don't know if she's been mentioned yet but Jessica Nigri does a pretty good cosplay as the cheerleader girl from this.
Here's a link to a pic of her if anyone is interested Wondercon 2012 – Juliet // Lollipop Chainsaw // Jessica Nigri (http://www.flickr.com/photos/onigun/6995177655/#)
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Nigri isn't just a good cosplayer, she's the official real-life face of Juliet Starling, at least in the Western world. I think Japan eventually got their own (black-haired) representative.
Anyway, Warner and GhM have taken Nigri all around the world. She's pretty cute, though I think I would have preferred it if Murder Nurse had won the contest. Maybe.
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I wonder how hard it would be to make a Juliet sprite? OOE has chainsaws. Her actual in game moveset is a whole 'nother animal.
On a side note, this being a Suda 51 game after all, I jokingly told my girlfriend to try and look up Juliet's skirt as Suda is notorious for weird shit like that. "Maybe she says something?"...
Not only does she have a full-on unique animation, and voiced lines for this out of the blue scenario, But you got a f#@king achievement for trying. Attention to detail... just wow.
On a side note, Killer 7 is 1 of Suda's top games, But IMO not his best. Suda 51 is also responsible for
Super Fire Pro Wrestling X Premium. I wont spoil the ending, but it happens to have one of the DARKEST freaking storylines I've ever encountered in a wrestling game, let alone an SNES title.
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There really IS no other reason to like it. :p I like the absurd comedy and just how fun the experience is. It's ridiculous when people gotta overanalyze things to the point of needing some cultural-social-significant-buttfuck-bullshit to enjoy entertainment. Goddamn, dude, get off your pseudo-intellectual pedestal, no one cares.
I see the same thing happening where people rip apart every super hero movie because they don't go the social commentary route like TDK did. People saying, "Oh, but we wanna THINK. Give us something to THINK about! ALL movies should be like that!". Give me a fuckin BREAK! And yeah, it pisses me off with games. You hear it a LOT, actually. Everybody wants game stories to be more deep, poetic and philosophical. BORE!!! I'm not saying I don't mind something thought provoking here and there, but for everything to follow suit just for the sake of shit, piss off. I find as much enjoyment in the shallow ass, generic plot games as I do with the deep, mind bending ones. Who says you can only like one or the other? When every people do that, they rob themselves of the greater pleasure of liking BOTH!
Really, some people are stumped at how the Super Mario franchise is still popular, because of it's basic story. I, personally, can play those games over and over again. Just "saving the princess", in those games, works better than if they hired some professional writer to pen out this deep and complex story for a Mario game. Oddly enough, I feel the same about CV. I have no qualms about "Belmont ventures to defeat Dracula, saves the countryside" basic of basic plots. Like I tend to say, regarding things of basic or generic plots, it's not Point A and Point B that's important, more than it is the journey between those points. Give me a generic JRPG, where you travel the world and eventually defeat a god-like final boss and save the entire world! It doesn't matter if it's been done, what happens through the meat of the journey is what MAKES the game! The character interaction, the misadventures and side-quests.
But yeah, can't stand the snobs. Not because they think a certain way more than they try to coinvince people that their way is the definitive way, and if you think otherwise, you're wrong(uneducated, uncouth, behind the times and ignorant). IMO, they are the whole artsy fartsy clique-types. The ones who can look at a squiggle on canvas and exclain how they feel the artist's pain and frustration for what ever trauma such stroke represents, and then, in unison, they all start snapping their fingers. I've actually seen this type of attitude here before(on the main CV board), and it always churns my stomach. It reminds me of the "College Know-it-all Hippies" from that one South Park episode, which are basically early year college students who are so impressionable, professors have "opened their eyes" to society's truths, so now they go around telling people(ignorant masses that don't have the opportunity of being enlightened as they have been) how wrong they are for giving into the machine... yadda yadda...LOL! ;D
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Truth to be said I dont find game sexiness or fetishism, well, sexy. Like Bayonetta it is played to such a level where it is more comedic/self-aware/tongue in cheek than anything else. I like to think that, if Bayonetta is Lady Gaga, then this game is Nicki Minaj
Nigri isn't just a good cosplayer, she's the official real-life face of Juliet Starling, at least in the Western world. I think Japan eventually got their own (black-haired) representative.
Anyway, Warner and GhM have taken Nigri all around the world. She's pretty cute, though I think I would have preferred it if Murder Nurse had won the contest. Maybe.
Well, she was first a very good cosplayer and then she got picked.