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Title: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on June 23, 2012, 07:28:52 AM
First of all, hello. Newbie around the dungeon.

This is my first post so take it easy on me ok?  ;)

Now on the topic, It seems that MoF and LoS2 will be the final work of MS. I don't think IGA or anyone who will take over the franchise will touch the plotline of the LoS universe. So in case that they want to return on IGA's storyline, these are the ideal plots that came through my head (hopefully they read this :D).

The 1999 event/ Rebirth of the Belmonts - Yes, this is the plot that most of the fans want to become a game. Julius should take the role of the main protagonist here. It should put some details on how did he obtain back the vampire killer from the Morris family. Of course, a member of the Morris family would be necessary since they are the last holder of the vampire killer before Julius. Add Alucard on the mix along with (Insert name here) Belnadez another (Insert name here) Hakuba.

Morris succession - I think they should also make a game about Quincy Morris. Yeah we know that IGA took a page from Bram Stroker's novel in Bloodlines but I'm still curious how would the plot turn out. My friend read the novel and he said he didn't find any Quincy Morris there. How did the Belmont clan lost their powers and how did the Morris take over the vampire killer?

Revelations of Dracula and the Belmonts - It should take place after the event of LoI. How did Dracula met his second wife, Lisa? What are the Belmont clan doing during their hunt for Drac?

The Baldwin Story - Circle of the Moon's plot was considered a spin off  and not officially part of IGA's timeline. I don't think it will be a bad idea to make a prequel about it. How about we see Morris Baldwin kicking some vampire ass with his vampire killer?

That's it for now. If you have better ideas, i'd like to read it out. Comments? Violent reaction?
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Nagumo on June 23, 2012, 08:39:06 AM
Currently, I would be the most interested in a plot set after SoTN detailing how all the Belmonts got amnesia and couldn't touch the whip until 1999. And perhaps a story that follows up on that cliff hanger ending from Simon's Quest?   
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Tavis Belmont on June 23, 2012, 04:01:15 PM
I always wondered if Vampire Killer got jealous when Leon found another gal. A game detailing the transition for Leon and Mathias after Lament would be cool. Also, 1999. We need it.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Vrakanox on June 23, 2012, 04:48:16 PM
Currently, I would be the most interested in a plot set after SoTN detailing how all the Belmonts got amnesia and couldn't touch the whip until 1999. And perhaps a story that follows up on that cliff hanger ending from Simon's Quest?

Yeah this, 1999, and at least one game sequel to LoI as stated in the OP.

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Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on June 23, 2012, 05:41:05 PM
Sadly, the plot of LoS completely shits on LoI. Although they are in different universe, I think this will discourage IGA's team from developing the transition game from LoI to CV3.

I haven't finished the CVII so I have no idea yet on Nagumo's comment.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: TheouAegis on June 23, 2012, 07:05:39 PM
I don't think Mathias is Dracula anyway. I think Mathias is just another vampire and Dracula is the Dracula we all know and love who somehow got his power from Mathias or from some other vampire that defeated Mathias. It's much more plausible because Mathias is so scrawny.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: crisis on June 23, 2012, 07:39:19 PM
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Sadly, the plot of LoS completely shits on LoI.

Ehh I don't think so.. they're about the same.. except

Gabriel=puppet
Mathias=puppeteer

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I don't think Mathias is Dracula anyway.


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Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Dremn on June 23, 2012, 07:59:25 PM
The often desired 1999 game and bringing back Sonia Belmont into canon in a way all fans and the producers can agree with. That's really all I can think of. Otherwise they would just continue Soma's story, which I really don't want to see them do.

Maybe a new game with Christopher in it since the GB games aren't acknowledged that much, they could get away with reimagining Belmont's Revenge as a sequel to Rebirth.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on June 23, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
I always wondered if Vampire Killer got jealous when Leon found another gal. A game detailing the transition for Leon and Mathias after Lament would be cool.
Dunno, id rather something like a comic or manga for that rather than a game.

Though showing the downtime between battles is always nice. Like that one fan art of the SoTN cast posing for a painting, with the other belmont portraits behind them. those kinds of things.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 23, 2012, 09:11:17 PM
there's still PLENTY of space to explore the events between Dawn of Sorrow and Galamoth's time as depicted in Judgment.  Kid Dracula might not be canon, but I think it parallels some events that really took place.  What those events might be, who becomes the next Dark Lord, and who Kid Dracula really is are interesting things that can be explored.

on another note, i'd love it if they somehow officially connected Castlevania canon with Getsu Fuma.  i'd like to see an adventure where Maxim travels to Japan to learn all his ninja-style stuff and has to deal with all the demonic activity that's going on in Japan at the time.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on June 23, 2012, 09:17:34 PM
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I don't think Mathias is Dracula anyway. I think Mathias is just another vampire and Dracula is the Dracula we all know and love who somehow got his power from Mathias or from some other vampire that defeated Mathias. It's much more plausible because Mathias is so scrawny.

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This. I also believe that Mathias is just another stepping stone to the real Dracula as was Walter to Mathias.

Also a 1999 game and a sequel to CVII would be nice since the true ending has Dracula's hand explode out from under his grave.

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The Baldwin Story - Circle of the Moon's plot was considered a spin off  and not officially part of IGA's timeline. I don't think it will be a bad idea to make a prequel about it. How about we see Morris Baldwin kicking some vampire ass with his vampire killer?

A prequel to this game would also be an interesting venture but I don't believe that Morris Baldwin is the owner of the whip. I believe that Nathan's deceased parents were the owners of the whip. It helps with the fact that Nathan receives the whip and not Hugh, and not just because of Hugh's dark desires or personal recognition either, but because it's a family heirloom. Something that Hugh is unaware of.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 23, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
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Yeah, believing Mathias isn't Dracula is exactly like believing that Gabriel isn't Dracula. Then again, maybe there are some poor saps who still believe he's Dracul. ;D
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Lucius J. Belmont on June 23, 2012, 10:54:26 PM
I too would like to see a Belmont's Revenge re-imagining or just something with Soleil as a protagonist (I think the character of Soleil has great potential, and I'm a sucker for 'good character is possessed/corrupted/seeking redemption' plots) and yes, I'd like to see re-canonisation of Sonia. 'No female Belmonts' might make sense for a time where women couldn't do anything, but we're already dealing with vampires, zombies, werewolves and anachronistic weaponry, so that caveat rings a bit false. And I for one like Sonia as the progenitor of the line, with Alucard; it's a great trope to have one thing beget its own downfall, as Dracula would have in this case. Also perhaps I'm biased, again, by my preferences for antiheros/corrupteds but I'd still like to actually see Victor Belmont. Doesn't a ne'er-do-well Belmont who shirks his legacy appeal to anyone else?

Maybe one day I'll fight my way to the top of Konami tower and battle IGA to make this happen.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on June 23, 2012, 11:01:40 PM
I don't think we need another Christopher game. We already have Adventure Rebirth. I'd like to see Soleiyu in action though.

We also didn't manage to see Victor Belmont since Resurrection was canned. Like Soleiyu, I would like to see him in his own game.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Sumac on June 24, 2012, 01:48:57 AM
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Though showing the downtime between battles is always nice. Like that one fan art of the SoTN cast posing for a painting, with the other belmont portraits behind them. those kinds of things.
Could you find a link to that art, please?

As for plots - 1999 game, but it'll never happen most likely, everything else could be covered with a text database.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on June 24, 2012, 10:40:39 AM
Could you find a link to that art, please?


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Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Sumac on June 24, 2012, 02:37:43 PM
Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 24, 2012, 04:42:55 PM
I don't think we need another Christopher game. We already have Adventure Rebirth. I'd like to see Soleiyu in action though.

We also didn't manage to see Victor Belmont since Resurrection was canned. Like Soleiyu, I would like to see him in his own game.
A redesigned Victor would be welcomed(as long as he doesn't look blatantly like Tim Curry, like Resurrection's did). And I've stated how I would've loved a revised story regarding Sonia(maybe placing her somewhere else in the timeline, and in a far more GRANDER adventure than what Legends was). Soleiyu would be nice, but I'd also want new Belmonts. I thought Gabriel(in LoS) was a great addition to the "Belmont" family(even though he's not from the original canon). What about other Belmonts who go on adventures when Dracula's not around? Stefan Belmont, Richard Belmont, Aaron Belmont, Michael Belmont and, to toss in another female, Victoria Belmont(considering they say Maria has Belmont blood in her, maybe Victoria could be ancestor to the Renards). 
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: GuyStarwind on June 24, 2012, 04:54:52 PM
I'm sure already mentioned but I think a LoI sequel could happen, a third Soma game but this time you kill Soma, the 1999 game, I wouldn't mind a reboot for Sonia, or a game with Soleiyu.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on June 24, 2012, 06:30:05 PM
They could always make a Soma game that involves someone trying to usurp Dracula's position. Like Olrox. Like that one novel.

or better, make the novel into a game. forget the OH SOMA IS DRACULA WE MUST TAKE HIS POWERS OR MAKE HIM EVIL shit. Just have another vampire trying to fill the void of power. Lord knows Dracula cant be the ONLY powerful vampire around.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: crisis on June 24, 2012, 07:03:11 PM
I always love Alia of Sorrow bad ending, the one when Soma loses to Chaos, thus forcing Julius hand. It so poetic, if you thank about it. Perfect end to the series, as I see is. However if Judgmento is of concern, than Garamoth will reign 10,000 years at least, so how that happen?

perhaps Judgment Too will exlplain
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on June 24, 2012, 07:11:04 PM
They could always make a Soma game that involves someone trying to usurp Dracula's position. Like Olrox. Like that one novel.

or better, make the novel into a game. forget the OH SOMA IS DRACULA WE MUST TAKE HIS POWERS OR MAKE HIM EVIL shit. Just have another vampire trying to fill the void of power. Lord knows Dracula cant be the ONLY powerful vampire around.

Sounds like a LoS2 plot to me.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Johnny Alucard on June 24, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
I'm sure already mentioned but I think a LoI sequel could happen, a third Soma game but this time you kill Soma, the 1999 game, I wouldn't mind a reboot for Sonia, or a game with Soleiyu.

We already had a Sorrow game where you kill Soma. It's called Dawn of Sorrow's Julius Mode.

But, yes, we could use a game starring Soleiyu.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Svart on June 24, 2012, 11:17:11 PM
I would love to see the story behind Aeon ascension of power from being a simply fat baker to one of the members of the prestigiously club of "time traveling sirs" wich saint germain is also a part of.

of course saint germain and aeon don't go along too well, since saint germain can't stand aeon obsession with baked goods and other delicate dishes that aeon seem to spread trough all igavanias games, despite its achronological nature.

the gameplay would implement having to collect such dishes which would give you powers similars to the souls of aria of sorrow, for example, collecting a bunch of sausages would give you access to a sausage whip, a weapon that could emulate the old whiping feel that some titles of the saga seems to be lacking.

also various famous subweapons would make a return, such as the fan favorite "pies", or "glass of wine", for nostalgia factor, and some new ones such as the "flambé pancakes". Also, you could create diverse constructs like the "bread golem" or the "ice cream animated armor" wich would function as your familiars which also will be able to gain levels and evolve into more complex monsters like the "bitter chocolate goliath", much like the award winning game "Curse of darkness".

the enemy would be of course Orlox which have stolen an important set of diner silverware for his fancy table back at the castle, but as plot twist, he was being used by the true mastermind behind every felony, Galamoth which is trying to control the future, so he can create the ultimate ice cream flavor for it's own enjoyment!

i can't fathom how all this part of the stroyline have been left in the dark for such much time!
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: A-Yty on June 25, 2012, 03:06:35 AM
I think I like you.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Sumac on June 25, 2012, 08:18:24 AM
If I remember correctly one of the major themes in DOS was that, if the world would ever be in need of the Dark Lord, he will appear and there is no need to create him artificailly. And it shouldn't be Dracula. I think Alucard said somethjing to that effect in the end of the game.

If we go by that idea, than Dracula was just occupying that position for the longest time, so some people automatically think that Dracula = Dark Lord. I think, IGA gave himself a way out of the dead end he created in AOS. Basically some other guy could become Dark Lord and the battle between Belmonts and forces of evil continue, this time not related to Dracula. Though, I don't think that people would accept that concept. So, DOS is not necessarily should be the end of old timeline.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 25, 2012, 11:20:02 AM
Though, I don't think that people would accept that concept. So, DOS is not necessarily should be the end of old timeline.

I think people would be willing to accept it IF it where done in the right manner and IF it where the right person to take over that position such as Olrox or Galamoth who are 2 fan favorites.

As long as Dracula has SOME role in it such as still being a part of Soma or his power or presence still be used somehow in future titles I think fans could learn to like it.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 25, 2012, 02:52:11 PM
But, who wouldn't accept it? I would(speaking personally). Older fans? I think most of them wouldn't mind a return to the classic canon, even if Dracula wasn't present. Newer fans? If we just judge it on LoS(not MoF or LoS2), casual fans didn't mind that Dracula didn't show up until the ending movie. Gabriel Vs Satan sufficed. Who's to say a similar thing wouldn't work in the original canon if Dracula wasn't present? Belmont versus "New Dark Lord". Belmont Vs Olrox. Belmont Vs Carmilla(make her a main antagonist). Hell, you'd think, with no Dracula present, his one time minions would all be gunnning for the top spot in his absense. With Dracula around, he kept Olrox, Carmilla, among others, in check. They knew they couldn't ursurp his reign. That's kinda why Olrox being featured in the DoS sequel novella made sense. Alpha wolf's not there anymore, and all the other wolves are fighting for that position. It's actually brilliant! I'm sure lots of CV fans would be open to that, and lots of the newer, casual fans wouldn't mind either.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on June 25, 2012, 03:37:55 PM
The concept was fine, and the DoS sequel novel seems to handle it alright. (couldnt say for sure- cant read Japanese) Since it has a familiar character (Olrox) trying to usurp the position.

Hell, AoS had Graham trying to inherit Dracula's powers and take his place. But DoS is where the actual concept itself was actually explicitly stated in game, and yet, ironically enough, DoS is the WORST example of it, having done it just so wrong.

The concept is fine though.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: crisis on June 25, 2012, 03:44:05 PM
You guys seem to be forgetting something, the next TRUE dark lord

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Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: darkwzrd4 on June 25, 2012, 03:45:27 PM
I didn't like DoS story wise.  There is a threat.  The bad guys are killed.  And, all is right with the world.  That being said, Dracula doesn't always need to be the big bad.  We don't always need the Belmonts either (I'm going to regret saying that aren't I?).  Let Alucard and the Belnades family take center stage for a while.  Soma should just be left alone to live his life. 

That timeline needs a new evil to take over.  Hell, it could be turned into a 3 sided conflict: good, the new evil, and a faction of monsters still loyal to Dracula led by Death.  It would added a new dimension that could make the storyline pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on June 25, 2012, 04:13:37 PM
Oh I know. A spinoff with Alucard in his best MIB supernatural sector "Arikado" guise.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on June 26, 2012, 09:43:58 AM
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You guys seem to be forgetting something, the next TRUE dark lord

I doubt it very much. Dario lost his powers permanently after losing to Soma. Then he ran away and probably got arrested by members of Alucard's organization. Without his use of fire Dario is nothing more then some undergrad high school, punk kid with authority issues. He doesn't have what it takes to be a dark lord, just a real attitude problem. Demetri would've had much more success except for that inflated ego of his which brought him down. Hard.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Ahasverus on June 26, 2012, 05:24:11 PM
I always thought the next dark lord was going to be Alucard according to his last dialogue line. Would be weird O.o
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: darkwzrd4 on June 26, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
I doubt it very much. Dario lost his powers permanently after losing to Soma. Then he ran away and probably got arrested by members of Alucard's organization. Without his use of fire Dario is nothing more then some undergrad high school, punk kid with authority issues. He doesn't have what it takes to be a dark lord, just a real attitude problem. Demetri would've had much more success except for that inflated ego of his which brought him down. Hard.
Dario wasn't a kid.  He was 37.  He and Demetri, like Graham, were supposedly born at the exact moment Dracula was defeated in 1999 and apparently absorbed some of his power.

I always thought the next dark lord was going to be Alucard according to his last dialogue line. Would be weird O.o
Well, he does have a legit claim to the throne by birthright.  So, it's possible.  He just doesn't want it and chose to side with good.  It would take a significant trauma to drive Alucard to follow in his father's footsteps. 
There is a scenario that I thought up in which he and Soma end up fighting each other and the battle doesn't end until one of them losses their humanity, but by doing so, they become the next Dark Lord.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Ahasverus on June 26, 2012, 07:02:53 PM
He said that "If the world needs a dark lords, there will be one, even if it's not Soma" and he also called the dark lord a "neccessary evil" maybe he thought he was needed to do that to keep the balance?
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: beingthehero on June 26, 2012, 07:22:01 PM
Nah, that speculation originated from (old) Wikipedia, of all places. Alucard was just hinting that DoS didn't really mark the end of the series. It would be bizarre for Alucard, of all people, to up and decide 'welp i've spent the better part of 600 years trying to stop Dracula, might as well become pops myself".
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Munchy on June 27, 2012, 12:25:05 AM
Three ideas come to mind for IGA/old timeline:

1. Retelling of Bram Stoker's Dracula
2. Soleil's game that he will never get aka Legend of Dracula 3
3. Some kinda wacky remake of Legends? To make it canon-er?

I was also thinking, since it takes place in the way distant future, it'd be cool to do a new Getsu Fuma Den as a sort of spiritual successor to Castlevania. AoS already has glimpses of a focus on stuff happening in Japan.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on June 27, 2012, 11:02:03 AM
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Dario wasn't a kid.  He was 37.  He and Demetri, like Graham, were supposedly born at the exact moment Dracula was defeated in 1999 and apparently absorbed some of his power.

Yeah I should've remembered about that. But his attitude is definitely that of a kid's.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Dominus Agony on June 27, 2012, 11:15:45 AM
I was also thinking, since it takes place in the way distant future, it'd be cool to do a new Getsu Fuma Den as a sort of spiritual successor to Castlevania. AoS already has glimpses of a focus on stuff happening in Japan.

Although I'm not familiar with Getsu Fuma Den outside of his appearance in Harmony of Despair, it'd be great should they choose to use your idea, make Galamoth the main antagonist (thus linking Judgment, Galamoth being 10,000 years hence, Time Reaper, etc.)

As for additional games, how about a game set 100 or so years after Lament of Innocence? Or a "gaiden" prequel to Circle of the Moon? So many possibilities.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Johnny Alucard on June 27, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
Yeah I should've remembered about that. But his attitude is definitely that of a kid's.

You can blame bad anime-level characterization for that. DoS's dialogue and plot reeked of Saturday mornings.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Fofa on June 27, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
1. Retelling of Bram Stoker's Dracula

I'm all up for that, but I don't think that the action in the novel comes up until the climax. That would make for a boring game.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Munchy on June 28, 2012, 02:48:57 AM
I'm all up for that, but I don't think that the action in the novel comes up until the climax. That would make for a boring game.

Yeah pretty much. It'd likely be revised so that Morris and company pursue Dracula but fail to catch him before he slips into his castle, then the game starts.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on June 28, 2012, 03:15:42 AM
I'm all up for that, but I don't think that the action in the novel comes up until the climax. That would make for a boring game.
How about fighting some baddies during the pursuit? Like some of Drac's minions will try to mess with some towns and attack Quincy and the crew.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Sumac on June 28, 2012, 09:42:43 AM
Hm, I wonder why people want to see Getsa Fuuma Den to be aprt of the CV? There is no link between games whatsoever, aside from guest appearance in the HD and this game is kind of...specific (arguably non-canon e.t.c.). I really don't see why they should be somehow connected... :o

If there would be CV iteration of the Stoker's Dracula, it would be fun to compare it to the old Dracula game on the NES.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on June 29, 2012, 05:45:22 AM
About the idea on returning of Sonia Belmont on the storyline, here's mine:

- She should exist in the era of Shanoa, Reinhart, or the Baldwins (different universe though)
- Female Belmont as a transition to other family (the Morris, Scheneider, etc.)

That would make sense since you can't retain your family name if you get married to someone as a girl.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on June 29, 2012, 11:56:40 AM
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About the idea on returning of Sonia Belmont on the storyline, here's mine:

- She should exist in the era of Shanoa, Reinhart, or the Baldwins (different universe though)
- Female Belmont as a transition to other family (the Morris, Scheneider, etc.)

She could also be in the era in between LoI and CV III. There's roughly 400 years to fill there. And she could be pitted up against other worldly threats that are just as dangerous as Dracula.

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That would make sense since you can't retain your family name if you get married to someone as a girl.

There are ways around this problem. Sonia could have a lovechild from some unknown individual who could've left out of the blue, been killed, etc. But to call Sonia Belmont anything else...it just wouldn't be her. besides the whole thing about women taking the man's last name is just another fascist of male dominance and Sonia's much stronger willed then that.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on June 30, 2012, 03:55:39 AM
I'm not questioning her will as a character. I always see her as a one tough nasty chick.

Your idea is not bad either.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on June 30, 2012, 10:52:54 AM
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just another fascist of male dominance and Sonia's much stronger willed then that.
Tell that to the pre-20th century world.

While the Belmonts themselves might be different due to what they do, and therefore somewhat disconnected from social norms, A Woman was still a Woman, and if she were to marry, she would lose her name and whatever rights she had, to her husband. pretty sure it would be tough for ol daddy Belmont to find a Husband willing to let Sonia be empowered and free willed and retain her surname.

Not to mention im pretty sure the Male heir would get the whip over the Female heir. Interesting plot would be if the designated male heir was kidnapped by Dracula or something, and therefore Sonia sets out to find him, since their father is either too old, or tries himself and fails.

Whenever there is talk of reintroducing Sonia, one has to take into account that as a Woman in the pre-modern world, (before the 20th century) ESPECIALLY if you retain her in the 15th century, or put her in one of the more popular ones like 18th and 19th- you have to deal with how Women are treated and how their societal norms are. Granted, Castlevania doesnt have the best track record with historical accuracy... (Maria Renard wearing an outfit in Symphony which would get her called a slut in real life,) but for the Belmonts, if you want to keep the family name, you have to find some way to work around the fact that a married woman lost her name.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 30, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
Not to mention im pretty sure the Male heir would get the whip over the Female heir. Interesting plot would be if the designated male heir was kidnapped by Dracula or something, and therefore Sonia sets out to find him, since their father is either too old, or tries himself and fails.
Interestingly enough, that's similar to the idea I mentioned. Sonia being born the elder, and her brother being younger, but him being chosen because he was the male heir to the Vampire Killer, but something happens, and he's unable to wield it. Without a hero to rise to the occassion and knowing her little brother's too young to be burdened with such a task, Sonia takes up the VK and sets off to battle the evil. I think something of the such sounds awesome(Sonia as a maverick, defying her elders and taking the VK because "SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT".

I do agree, back in the old days, continuing the family name was everything. The reason why sons were valued over daughters were because of the hard work they could put in around the house/land and the survival of a family's name. It's sad, true, sexist, of course, but it's reality. And while I want Sonia to be a strong woman, I wouldn't want a feminist agenda attached her. Any sorts of agendas like such should be absent from these games.

I do prefer the idea of her being the precussor to another related family(the Morris clan, in particular, because of their importance). Just because she wouldn't continue on the line of main Belmonts doesn't diminish her importances(in my eyes), and people generally downplay the the importance of the Morris clan(and the other related families) because they don't have the Belmont surname.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on June 30, 2012, 04:20:21 PM
Morrises are Belmonts not named Belmonts, IMO. Before PoR, they were just as good. Then PoR came up with the stupid whip thing. (Man PoR really just about failed on so many fronts didnt it?)

Sonia leading to the Morris Clan sounds pretty neat actually.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Lucius J. Belmont on June 30, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Vampires, werewolves, zombies with guns, a castle that behaves like a TARDIS as far as internal consistency goes, summoning feng shui magic animals, cream pies that deal holy damage, motorcycle-riding skeletons--totally legit.

A lady (who has supernatural powers already, a good start in being 'different') shirking a social norm--strains belief.

Not that I'm not for historical accuracy in things where it really matters, like I don't want to be watching Little House on the Prairie and then Elvis shows up on a jet-ski but...really now. If you wanna be that way, do it and boldly, but don't blame it on historical accuracy in a game where Richter Belmont the vaguely European vampire hunter is dressed as an anime martial artist. If the non-fictional Ching Shih can get the entirety of the Chinese government by the shorthairs, after taking control of and vastly improving a pirate fleet, having started out /as a prostitute/, I feel like a lady can be a Belmont with people still being on her side over Dracula's, in a work of not even remotely realistic fiction.

As to her name having to stay 'Belmont'...can't she just fight vampires before marriage? I guess I'm not seeing the issue.

They wanted Sonia and Victor to co-star, right? Get rid of more time travel BS, make Victor the reluctant good-for-nothing brother whose duty Sonia assumes, then he makes a turn-around after being completely shown up by his sister, when things are looking dire. I'd play it.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: darkwzrd4 on June 30, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Or, Sonia could be a descendent of Julius who fights the next Dark Lord (who may or may not be Soma).  It's possible that after the events of DoS, he falls in love with a younger woman and they have a daughter they name Sonia and Julius trains her the best he can so that the bloodline and family legacy continues after him.  Plus, in modern times (and probably the future) women don't always give up their last name and take their husbands.  That being said, things were centered around men in the past.  In the modern age, men and women are essentially equals.

These are just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Fofa on June 30, 2012, 06:49:11 PM
Tell that to the pre-20th century world.

While the Belmonts themselves might be different due to what they do, and therefore somewhat disconnected from social norms, A Woman was still a Woman, and if she were to marry, she would lose her name and whatever rights she had, to her husband. pretty sure it would be tough for ol daddy Belmont to find a Husband willing to let Sonia be empowered and free willed and retain her surname.

Not to mention im pretty sure the Male heir would get the whip over the Female heir. Interesting plot would be if the designated male heir was kidnapped by Dracula or something, and therefore Sonia sets out to find him, since their father is either too old, or tries himself and fails.

Whenever there is talk of reintroducing Sonia, one has to take into account that as a Woman in the pre-modern world, (before the 20th century) ESPECIALLY if you retain her in the 15th century, or put her in one of the more popular ones like 18th and 19th- you have to deal with how Women are treated and how their societal norms are. Granted, Castlevania doesnt have the best track record with historical accuracy... (Maria Renard wearing an outfit in Symphony which would get her called a slut in real life,) but for the Belmonts, if you want to keep the family name, you have to find some way to work around the fact that a married woman lost her name.

That precisely is why I didn't mind Legends being removed from the main canon. Sure, you can have a few exceptions here and there, but go too far with it and you ruin the viewer's suspension of disbelief.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on June 30, 2012, 07:41:42 PM
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As to her name having to stay 'Belmont'...can't she just fight vampires before marriage? I guess I'm not seeing the issue.
Her descendants would lose the surname Belmont
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on July 03, 2012, 07:13:48 AM
I played CVIII and this idea came to my head:

"Why the hell did the European people feared the Belmonts? Aren't they the ones who save their asses?"

If we consider the CV:Legends to be a canon (which no longer is), then the reason is Sonia Belmont. But that was no longer the case.

Hell, I just laughed after I finished the LoI with Leon telling Mathias that "The Belmont Clan will hunt you down." How the hell will he do that when he just killed his own fiance with his own hands? Jerk it off and instantly produce a new Belmont?

A game where his descendant would probably explain it similar to MoF.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on July 03, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
Really? You cant make your own conclusions there?

He eventually married another woman, and continued the bloodline. Each generation was trained as a Vampire Hunter, and eventually relocated to Romania, probably tracking down Mathias. As they did their shit, the people of Wallachia began to fear their incredible almost supernatural powers, and therefore exiled them. Until the events of CV3 where they had to suck it up and search for the current member of the Belmont family to fight Dracula.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 03, 2012, 10:56:27 PM
i'll bring back an earlier theory of mine that Sonia was the last Belmont.  the entire clan was wiped except for her.  she got to keep the last name as a result (to prevent it from going extinct, as is sometimes the custom in some cultures) and also was the true heir to the whip.

this theory was inspired by the Dracula's Curse animation that never went anywhere, in which Trevor is described as the Last Belmont.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: pimp dracula on July 04, 2012, 04:51:38 AM
Really? You cant make your own conclusions there?

He eventually married another woman, and continued the bloodline. Each generation was trained as a Vampire Hunter, and eventually relocated to Romania, probably tracking down Mathias. As they did their shit, the people of Wallachia began to fear their incredible almost supernatural powers, and therefore exiled them. Until the events of CV3 where they had to suck it up and search for the current member of the Belmont family to fight Dracula.
Nah. I'm just being sarcastic. I just find it funny that he declare himself alone as a clan when he haven't even find Sara's replacement. Counting chickens before they hatched as some say. As I asked earlier, why did the people of Wallachia feared them? Who did they fought that people saw their tremendous power?
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 04, 2012, 10:21:54 AM
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As I asked earlier, why did the people of Wallachia feared them? Who did they fought that people saw their tremendous power?

The populous during the medieval times were ripe with fear and superstition. Anyone with even remotely a shred of magic was considered a heretic and ousted by the people and the authorities. The uneducated masses were all taught by the church that magic is a thing of the Devil and anyone who had magical abilities were a threat to be wiped out.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on July 04, 2012, 07:50:32 PM
Even if it was divine power.

Although ironically, even though AoS considers it a Holy element, Vampire Killer should TECHNICALLY be a Dark element considering it was created from the soul of a Vampire.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: VladCT on July 04, 2012, 09:28:20 PM
Hey, they accused a doctor who used nothing but freakin' herbs of witchcraft. As far as I'm concerned, all it takes is someone pointing at you and shouting "WITCH!" to get the mob on your ass, even if you just saved said person's ass.
*grumble*Lousy ingrates.*grumble*
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 04, 2012, 10:57:54 PM
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Hey, they accused a doctor who used nothing but freakin' herbs of witchcraft. As far as I'm concerned, all it takes is someone pointing at you and shouting "WITCH!" to get the mob on your ass, even if you just saved said person's ass.
*grumble*Lousy ingrates.*grumble*

Exactly, and it was coined 'The Witch Craze'
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 05, 2012, 09:37:35 PM
Even if it was divine power.

Although ironically, even though AoS considers it a Holy element, Vampire Killer should TECHNICALLY be a Dark element considering it was created from the soul of a Vampire.
It might just be my own strange reasoning, but I always saw the whole ritual to create the VK as purifying the vampire soul through transmutation, changing it from something that was dark into something that was holy.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on July 06, 2012, 04:02:26 PM
makes sense I guess
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 06, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
Even if it was divine power.

Although ironically, even though AoS considers it a Holy element, Vampire Killer should TECHNICALLY be a Dark element considering it was created from the soul of a Vampire.
It might just be my own strange reasoning, but I always saw the whole ritual to create the VK as purifying the vampire soul through transmutation, changing it from something that was dark into something that was holy.

I brought up this point a year or two ago and people got pissed as if I committed blasphemy.  It's odd.  If you ask me, it should be neither holy or dark.  Just because it destroys vampires and all creatures connected to them doesn't make it holy.  I mean yes the sub weapons are holy, but not the whip.  I think people call holy because it's very effective against dark entities and is wielded by devout christians. 

Oh, and to be accurate, Sara wasn't a vampire yet.  She was bitten, but she was still technically human.  She hadn't changed yet.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on July 08, 2012, 12:55:02 AM
We call it Holy because Aria of Sorrow considers the whip a Holy Element if you get hit by it in the Julius Belmont fight.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 08, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
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I brought up this point a year or two ago and people got pissed as if I committed blasphemy.  It's odd.  If you ask me, it should be neither holy or dark.  Just because it destroys vampires and all creatures connected to them doesn't make it holy.  I mean yes the sub weapons are holy, but not the whip.  I think people call holy because it's very effective against dark entities and is wielded by devout christians. 

It's okay. I always thought of the whip not being holy, but being Mystical. The Mystic whip is what many of us referred to it whenever we talked of Casltevania. It was a whip with magical powers. That same magical power that flows through the veins of the Belmonts. It was only until IGA came along that it became something else all-together.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: beingthehero on July 08, 2012, 02:18:14 PM
The Mystic whip is what many of us referred to it whenever we talked of Casltevania. It was only until IGA came along that it became something else all-together.

Wait, what are you talking about? Everyone since the 90's Angelfire days referred to it as the Vampire Killer. The whip was already called Vampire Killer before SotN.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi228.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee35%2Fbeingthehero%2Ftruth.png&hash=af0c15b6a0d0974dd50b54303c6fd8d0)

Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: thernz on July 08, 2012, 02:39:16 PM
damn u iga for making bloodlines canon
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on July 09, 2012, 01:48:20 AM
he means magical, but not of any particular good or evil alignment
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 09, 2012, 10:02:56 AM
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Wait, what are you talking about? Everyone since the 90's Angelfire days referred to it as the Vampire Killer. The whip was already called Vampire Killer before SotN.

Yes I know. Bloodlines was the first to come along and proclaim it. And IGA was also the one to coin it throughout his games too. Before that it was just a magical weapon with no real title. It was either Mystical whip or Morning Star Whip.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: beingthehero on July 09, 2012, 11:16:49 AM
Actually, Rondo of Blood was the first to coin it, so Bloodlines and other subsequent games were just following that precedent. It's not as radical as you make it out to be.

And IGA was also the one to coin it throughout his games too.

Not really. His second game, Castlevania Chronicles, referred to it as just 'the mysterious whip.'

http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/games/cc/images/manual/euro/3.jpg (http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/games/cc/images/manual/euro/3.jpg)
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 09, 2012, 02:32:20 PM
A game about a young Simon Belmont as he takes down various monsters in Europe, readying his skills for his fateful battle with Dracula.

Or a post-Lament game about Dracula asserting his dominance over the vampires of Europe, as he truly becomes the Dark Lord.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 09, 2012, 06:14:41 PM
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Not really. His second game, Castlevania Chronicles, referred to it as just 'the mysterious whip.'

That's because it came out before 'Rondo' on the X68000 computer ;)  But like you saud Rondo was the first to call it Vampirekiller so I'll retract my statement about bloodlines and agree with you... I had forgotten about Rondo completely when I wrote that  :P
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 10, 2012, 11:57:28 AM
The truth of the matter is that Iga may not of been the first one to say the whip was holy.  When you play as Richter in SotN, the whip seems to do holy damage.

Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Sul_Yong on July 10, 2012, 12:33:36 PM
I think they should also make a game about Quincy Morris. Yeah we know that IGA took a page from Bram Stroker's novel in Bloodlines but I'm still curious how would the plot turn out. My friend read the novel and he said he didn't find any Quincy Morris there. How did the Belmont clan lost their powers and how did the Morris take over the vampire killer?
Uhh, whoever read it didn't really read it... Quincy Morris was the only main character to die in that book besides Lucy... and I really don't think they should make a Castlevania version of Bram Stoker's Dracula, especially if the plot point is that Morris is the Belmont when Van Helsing and Harker do practically all the work, and Morris's only moment of being interesting is stabbing Dracula in the heart while Harker lopped off Drac's head with his Ghurka knife... The game would have to throw Morris into the spotlight which wouldn't do good for the story at all without making anyone who read and actually enjoyed reading Dracula (if they exist, I haven't met anyone who enjoyed reading that) mad. But I digress... I just enjoyed the fact that 1800s 100 year resurrection of Dracula was the novel. That was a stroke of genius in the story, as long as they don't make it a game and try to explain it... keeping it vague on how it connects, to me, works pretty well.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 11, 2012, 11:07:44 AM
It's a little too late to think that making a CV version of Bram Stoker's Dracula would force Quincy into the spotlight because CV: Bloodlines has already done that. And if you put it in this perspective; If Quincy is a Belmont by blood then Harker would not have been able to cut off Dracula's head prior to Quincy inflicting the mortal wound with his knife. The book states that Quincy impaled Dracula's Heart with his knife, correct? So now that Dracula is severely weakened due to Belmont influence, Harker was then able to sever Dracula's head with little trouble. Bram Stoker's Dracula can be worked into the CV universe. People just have to sit down and run it through our heads until they come up with solutions that can make it work without creating continuity errors.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 11, 2012, 04:07:34 PM
It's a little too late to think that making a CV version of Bram Stoker's Dracula would force Quincy into the spotlight because CV: Bloodlines has already done that. And if you put it in this perspective; If Quincy is a Belmont by blood then Harker would not have been able to cut off Dracula's head prior to Quincy inflicting the mortal wound with his knife. The book states that Quincy impaled Dracula's Heart with his knife, correct? So now that Dracula is severely weakened due to Belmont influence, Harker was then able to sever Dracula's head with little trouble. Bram Stoker's Dracula can be worked into the CV universe. People just have to sit down and run it through our heads until they come up with solutions that can make it work without creating continuity errors.
Or, Castlevania's depiction of those events are different. Maybe, in CV's depction, Quincey Morris didn't inflict the wound with a knife. Maybe in CV's depction, he he wen't all out "Belmont Lineage", asked Harker and the others to step back, brought out the VK and had a CV-esque battle with the Dark Lord. Hell, maybe he went up ahead(left Harker and the others behind) and did the full battle, defeating Dracula(no need from Harker), but was left on the verge of death. CV's take on Stoker's events would be just as "different" as CV's takes on WWI were, creative liberties and all.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Sul_Yong on July 11, 2012, 09:29:45 PM
Bram Stoker's Dracula
"But, on the instant, came the sweep and flash of Jonathan's great knife.
I shrieked as I saw it shear through the throat.  Whilst at the same moment
Mr. Morris's bowie knife plunged into the heart."

...Yeah, they'd definitely need those liberties...
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 11, 2012, 09:44:03 PM
Currently, I would be the most interested in a plot set after SoTN detailing how all the Belmonts got amnesia and couldn't touch the whip until 1999. And perhaps a story that follows up on that cliff hanger ending from Simon's Quest?

The only true sequel to Simon's Quest is Harmony of Dissonance. I say this because it is the ONLY Castlevania game to pick up after Simon. Yes, Rondo onward did that, but I'm talking about almost immediately after Simon. Juste makes mention to Simon in the beginning of the game.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 11, 2012, 10:06:42 PM
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The only true sequel to Simon's Quest is Harmony of Dissonance. I say this because it is the ONLY Castlevania game to pick up after Simon. Yes, Rondo onward did that, but I'm talking about almost immediately after Simon. Juste makes mention to Simon in the beginning of the game.

Except that the true ending of Simon's Quest shows Dracula's hand come out from his grave, whilst in HoD there is no Dracula to be had. Instead we are introduced to Maxim's evil doppelganger brought about by his possession of Dracula's remains. And at the end Maxim's evil self could not corrupt Maxim so instead he couples with the remains to bring about a new body for himself. While it is Dracula's body the soul of Dracula doesn't resurrect with it. And HoD takes place 50 years after CV II whereas the true sequel that has to do with Dracula's hand coming out of his grave has yet to be touched upon.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 13, 2012, 04:55:35 PM
Except that the true ending of Simon's Quest shows Dracula's hand come out from his grave, whilst in HoD there is no Dracula to be had. Instead we are introduced to Maxim's evil doppelganger brought about by his possession of Dracula's remains. And at the end Maxim's evil self could not corrupt Maxim so instead he couples with the remains to bring about a new body for himself. While it is Dracula's body the soul of Dracula doesn't resurrect with it. And HoD takes place 50 years after CV II whereas the true sequel that has to do with Dracula's hand coming out of his grave has yet to be touched upon.
Given the way that the rest of the series shows Dracula's subsequent resurrections, the hand popping out of the grave isn't truly important. It was also established that Dracula resurrects every 100 years. For him to be defeated by Simon and then suddenly rise again would violate that part of the series' canon.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 13, 2012, 07:09:06 PM
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Given the way that the rest of the series shows Dracula's subsequent resurrections, the hand popping out of the grave isn't truly important. It was also established that Dracula resurrects every 100 years. For him to be defeated by Simon and then suddenly rise again would violate that part of the series' canon.

True. But wasn't it CVIII's story that established the hundred year cycle or close to it? So by that reckoning Konami could have easily made more sequel games with Simon vs Dracula had CVIII not come out. I always felt that SCV4 would've made an excellent sequel to CVII just because of the similarities of the tombstone in both the game's cutscenes.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 13, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
True. But wasn't it CVIII's story that established the hundred year cycle or close to it? So by that reckoning Konami could have easily made more sequel games with Simon vs Dracula had CVIII not come out. I always felt that SCV4 would've made an excellent sequel to CVII just because of the similarities of the tombstone in both the game's cutscenes.
I feel basically the exact same way about SCV4. Due to the added levels and extra bosses, the game truly could have been a sequel. I think CV3 did something about the 100 year cycle, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Nagumo on July 14, 2012, 06:08:56 AM
I think the original intent was that Dracula wasn't actually dead at the end of CVII. Even if that wasn't the case, it wouldn't really have mattered since CVII ignored the 100 year rule as well. It's the Japanese manual of the first Castlevania that establishes the rule, by the way.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: A-Yty on July 14, 2012, 06:14:08 AM
It's not a rule, it's a legend.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Nagumo on July 14, 2012, 06:21:55 AM
Yup, the legend is a bit inaccurate. The actual rule is that Dracula resurrects when the faith in God is forgotten, which roughly happens every 100 years.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 15, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
Or if someone makes a sacrifice. Rondo of Blood.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: thernz on July 15, 2012, 06:25:18 PM
probably just a part of the ritual, like how they crushed a heart in chronicles
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 15, 2012, 06:26:47 PM
That's what they did in SotN too. Minus the crushed heart.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 15, 2012, 09:33:01 PM
I think any sort of sacrifice that is of an inhuman, negative nature can bring about Dracula's resurrection. They've shown and talked about several different ways to do it throughout the series. In essence; if said person or persons intend to bring about Dracula in any way they choose then it will happen.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 15, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
Something I would personally like to see is how Mathias grew to where he was before Castlevania 3. They kinda just tell you what happened after Lament of Innocence, but that's not really enough for me. One more go with Leon would make me pretty happy. I do wonder if Dracula can just resurrect without the sacrifice though. They never really said whether he could or not.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Nagumo on July 16, 2012, 04:26:01 AM
He definitely needs a sacrifice to resurrect. Dracula always needs someone to bring him back. He can't do it himself. 
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 16, 2012, 09:29:29 AM
In some of the original games Dracula hasn't needed a sacrifice to resurrect. Although I've never read the instruction manuals for some of the games I'm quite sure that even if there is no sacrifice Dracula can still resurrect due to the hundred year cycle. When a hundred years is up Dracula comes back with or without help. He can only be entombed for so long before somethings gives way.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 16, 2012, 09:34:33 AM
In some of the original games Dracula hasn't needed a sacrifice to resurrect. Although I've never read the instruction manuals for some of the games I'm quite sure that even if there is no sacrifice Dracula can still resurrect due to the hundred year cycle. When a hundred years is up Dracula comes back with or without help. He can only be entombed for so long before somethings gives way.

I was always under the impression that during the original games that Death was the one that had to resurrect him.

Maybe in the other games Death was not at full power (for whatever reason) to resurrect Dracula and needed help from people like Shaft,Carmilla,or Bartley.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: X on July 16, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
I personally feel that a sacrifice is only necessary to resurrect Dracula prematurely, but is not needed after a full century.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: VladCT on July 16, 2012, 10:12:43 AM
I personally feel that a sacrifice is only necessary to resurrect Dracula prematurely, but is not needed after a full century.
Seconded. Either that or a sudden, massive influx of strife and chaos (i.e. the World Wars).
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Nagumo on July 16, 2012, 10:40:00 AM
In some of the original games Dracula hasn't needed a sacrifice to resurrect. Although I've never read the instruction manuals for some of the games I'm quite sure that even if there is no sacrifice Dracula can still resurrect due to the hundred year cycle. When a hundred years is up Dracula comes back with or without help. He can only be entombed for so long before somethings gives way.

Well, when taking at look at the manuals of the classic games, ignoring the games where Dracula prematurely resurrects and origin stories, it's always mentioned in the Japanese manuals that Dracula is brought back by his followers with a black mass ritual. The only exception where they don't mention this is in Haunted Castle's story, where they only mention Dracula is back after a hundred years, but it doesn't imply he got revived all by himself either.   
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 16, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
Keep in mind, we've also had Dracula resurrected in the form of Malus by Gilles de Raise and Actrise. They've never explicitly stated that Dracula was able to do it himself or if it was required. Maybe they could clear that up a bit. I prefer they do it with the ORIGINAL timeline rather than the LoS timeline.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: beingthehero on July 16, 2012, 05:30:50 PM
Vampire Killer's manual stated that Dracula was resurrected through a dark ceremony.

http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/vkill/documents/CVVKJ.txt (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/vkill/documents/CVVKJ.txt)

So it's been around since the series' very beginning.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 16, 2012, 05:34:24 PM
Then where does the 100-year cycle come in? Wait... I just remembered the Crimson Stone.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Nagumo on July 17, 2012, 05:37:31 AM
The idea is that every 100 years, "the power of Christ" weakens and the minds of the people are overtaken by an evil influence. Because of that, they desire Dracula's return to the world and resurrect him.       
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: Flame on July 17, 2012, 08:29:41 AM
Seconded. Either that or a sudden, massive influx of strife and chaos (i.e. the World Wars).
Woudnt that technically count as sacrifice, considering the massive losses of life? if someone were to utilize or channel the deaths in such a way as to count them as sacrifices?
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: VladCT on July 17, 2012, 09:20:50 AM
Woudnt that technically count as sacrifice, considering the massive losses of life? if someone were to utilize or channel the deaths in such a way as to count them as sacrifices?
...And this is why hindsight is not best sight.
Title: Re: Plots that can still be used in IGA's timeline
Post by: JVolz28 on July 17, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
In Portrait of Ruin, that's how the castle was able to materialize.