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Title: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on September 18, 2012, 04:52:30 AM
Suppress the bile and profanity for ten minutes and try to view him as a guy who NEEDS to succeed for the sake of the industry. (http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2012/09/five-reasons-paul-w-s-anderson-deserves-more-credit/)

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Should we demand better? Yes. And eventually, there will be a movie based on a video game that stands on its own merits as a film, that even critics will take seriously. But for that to happen, first Hollywood has to believe there’s money in it.

Like it or not, Anderson is going to be the pair of shoulders that boosts that director up, the one making the movies that earn the money that get the attention of the executives and make that future critical and commercial hit possible.
Title: Re: Five Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Nagumo on September 18, 2012, 05:23:06 AM
Ok.
Title: Re: Five Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 18, 2012, 06:03:31 AM
Ok, something happened because the title of this article now is "Four" Reasons, not "Five", someone can say which one of the reasons they removed?
Title: Re: Five Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on September 18, 2012, 06:08:56 AM
Odd, but there was a bit about how he usually made a lot of his movies at a financial risk to himself.

In any case, topic title updated.
Title: Re: Five Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 18, 2012, 06:22:15 AM
Odd, but there was a bit about how he usually made a lot of his movies at a financial risk to himself.

In any case, topic title updated.

If even these guys that are trying to defend him cant hold these 5 reasons, thats seems very bad.
But we can say that he is a magician, since nobody likes his movies but he ever manage to do a sequel.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: crisis on September 18, 2012, 06:27:22 AM
soo pretty much

1. He's made a couple decent movies before

2. He's aware of CV and might have played a couple games (though that's stretching it)

3. He likes fans (but likes money more)

4. He's the "best" director when it comes to vg movies


c'mon guys, he's a nice guy, i'm sure he's never been convicted of anything or hurt anybody physically, lets cut him some slack
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Nagumo on September 18, 2012, 08:03:15 AM
Ironically, I think this article already gives him too much credit. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Which kind of fits with the quality of his movies.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: TheouAegis on September 18, 2012, 09:17:28 AM
They're not Inception. They're not Plan 9 From Outer Space. They're more like Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

Was that basically what you were saying, Nagumo.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Sindra on September 18, 2012, 10:50:24 AM
Suppress the bile and profanity for ten minutes and try to view him as a guy who NEEDS to succeed for the sake of the industry. (http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2012/09/five-reasons-paul-w-s-anderson-deserves-more-credit/)

No.

As a Resident Evil fan just below being a Castlevania fan, just 1,000 different shades of no. I give him no credit. (except for what he did with Mortal Kombat) He might not be Uwe Boll, but he made me detest him with what I was hoping would be a serious take on video game movies that ended up turning into one big love-letter to his wife.

No.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Phoenix7786 on September 18, 2012, 05:04:33 PM
No.

As a Resident Evil fan just below being a Castlevania fan, just 1,000 different shades of no. I give him no credit. (except for what he did with Mortal Kombat) He might not be Uwe Boll, but he made me detest him with what I was hoping would be a serious take on video game movies that ended up turning into one big love-letter to his wife.

No.

Ditto. I understand he loves his wife, I understand he wants to please her, I understand he wants to show his devotion to her but shoe-horning her into every single fucking movie and turning into a Mary Sue that usurps the main characters is just a giant dick-slap in our face. She's sexy, she's awesome, and she loves these roles. We get it. It's not going to get you dumped to the couch to leave her out of something for once.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on September 18, 2012, 05:21:36 PM
No.

As a Resident Evil fan just below being a Castlevania fan, just 1,000 different shades of no. I give him no credit. (except for what he did with Mortal Kombat) He might not be Uwe Boll, but he made me detest him with what I was hoping would be a serious take on video game movies that ended up turning into one big love-letter to his wife.

No.

As usual I have to agree 100% with Sindra's assessment.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: uzo on September 18, 2012, 06:35:20 PM
Despite the fact that Sindra posts fairly infrequent, every time she posts she gains so many Respect points she is on par with the regular posters. Gotta love it.

I have to say I share the same sort of sentiment. Honestly, think about what he said too. He is using bad game movies as a profit platform, and waiting for the right moment? Really? How many YEARS is it going to take? It wont happen with him, because that's not his true goal. Only part of that statement is true, in that hes using it to create a profit.

If any director/producer/writer/what have you was serious about creating a good adaptation from games to film, they should look at the blindingly superior adaptations that are widely accessible already; Anime. Compare if you will the difference between Street Fighter II the animated movie, and the live action one. Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie is probably my favorite game adaptation, if not one of my favorite movies of all time. I can literally watch it almost any time spontaneously and enjoy it thoroughly every time. How can you not at least do half as good, with a budget that is likely eight times as big? Even worse, they were released in the same year. How could you be so out classed?

While not a direct example of his work, it conveys the industry wide attitude of neglect, unwillingness to accept the source material as valuable and worthwhile, and the lack of common decent respect that would be required to properly transform a game into a proper film. The Japanese seem to have zero trouble carrying this out with much greater disadvantages on their side. How is it that Hollywood has failed so much?
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Neobelmont on September 18, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
Despite the fact that Sindra posts fairly infrequent, every time she posts she gains so many Respect points she is on par with the regular posters. Gotta love it.

I have to say I share the same sort of sentiment. Honestly, think about what he said too. He is using bad game movies as a profit platform, and waiting for the right moment? Really? How many YEARS is it going to take? It wont happen with him, because that's not his true goal. Only part of that statement is true, in that hes using it to create a profit.

If any director/producer/writer/what have you was serious about creating a good adaptation from games to film, they should look at the blindingly superior adaptations that are widely accessible already; Anime. Compare if you will the difference between Street Fighter II the animated movie, and the live action one. Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie is probably my favorite game adaptation, if not one of my favorite movies of all time. I can literally watch it almost any time spontaneously and enjoy it thoroughly every time. How can you not at least do half as good, with a budget that is likely eight times as big? Even worse, they were released in the same year. How could you be so out classed?

While not a direct example of his work, it conveys the industry wide attitude of neglect, unwillingness to accept the source material as valuable and worthwhile, and the lack of common decent respect that would be required to properly transform a game into a proper film. The Japanese seem to have zero trouble carrying this out with much greater disadvantages on their side. How is it that Hollywood has failed so much?

When I read this the first thing to come to my mind about japan is that well... any one remember dragonball evolution? If you do not that is okay, but if you do look at this

『RUROUNI KENSHIN』 Trailer2 (English) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzeHq9blYC8#ws)


Also anyone remember the live action Phoenix Wright movie

Epic Objection Fail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XntPkQ-dF4k#ws)

[English Sub] Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYt9dl1jaJs#)


Gyakuten Saiban 逆転裁判 Ace Attorney Trailer 2 予告篇2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD89fbz3q24#ws)
A bit different, but it seems to still have that "Wright" sense for the games I guess never played too much if it.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Munchy on September 18, 2012, 11:45:38 PM
No.

As a Resident Evil fan just below being a Castlevania fan, just 1,000 different shades of no. I give him no credit. (except for what he did with Mortal Kombat) He might not be Uwe Boll, but he made me detest him with what I was hoping would be a serious take on video game movies that ended up turning into one big love-letter to his wife.

No.

This.

I love me some terrible movies, but really, there is no need in "the industry" that Anderson fills. None. There are plenty of other shit movies that do what he does but in a way that is actually entertaining. If he were to retire from movies, there would just be someone else in his place to coil turds onto a film reel.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Nagumo on September 19, 2012, 05:20:57 AM
I've never played Ace Attorney, but that movie looks hilarious.

Maybe this is a horrible idea, but I thought it might be an interesting idea to give a Castlevania movie the same "feel" as the adaptation of Scott Pilgrim, but with a gothic horror flavor. I really liked how they did all the fighting scenes. Of course it should be less "in your face", but I think that would also help build more of a connection with the games instead of just shallow references to them that nobody cares about.   

To elaborate, I think if they would do this, it would also make the film interesting on its own merits. Also, most video game movies fail (I think) because they take ideas from games and try to rationalize them or try making them more "realistic" and it just comes of as stupid. Why not fully embrace the concept of literary making a video game movie? That would be pretty creative and seems more fun than a Van Helsing knock-off that takes itself to seriously.           
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 19, 2012, 06:21:59 AM
When I read this the first thing to come to my mind about japan is that well... any one remember dragonball evolution? If you do not that is okay, but if you do look at this

『RUROUNI KENSHIN』 Trailer2 (English) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzeHq9blYC8#ws)


Also anyone remember the live action Phoenix Wright movie

Epic Objection Fail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XntPkQ-dF4k#ws)

[English Sub] Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYt9dl1jaJs#)


Gyakuten Saiban 逆転裁判 Ace Attorney Trailer 2 予告篇2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD89fbz3q24#ws)
A bit different, but it seems to still have that "Wright" sense for the games I guess never played too much if it.
I've watched DB Evolution in cinema, Its a crappy movie but because it didnt have been made in Japan. I've seen Rurouni Kenshin/Samurai X trailer 1 only, thank for sharing trailer 2.

 Now about this Phoenix Wright movie, they will launch it over-seas too? Since I played this game I wanted a anime of this, but a movie is cool too, you know if they are selling it atleast with English subs?

@Nagumo
This Scott Pilgrim movie is good? I didnt even read his comics or played his game, but if the movie is good it will deserve a check :)

On-topic: I think that if they made this Castlevania  movie in Japan it could have more chances of being  better, they atleast read, watch or play the source material before doing a movie about it and treat this as serious business Another good aproach could be someone from Konami being involved in this movie, acting as a supervisor or something like that.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Ratty on September 19, 2012, 07:27:51 AM
What kind of argument is that. All his films making money shows Hollywood is that they don't need to have any respect for video games as source material, as long as it's a name people vaguely recognize they'll make money. Hollywood is desperate to use pre-established brand recognition today, they don't care if it's video games or not. Why do you think there's so many remakes, reimaginings, relaunches and adaptations in theaters these days? In the words of redlettermedia "I wouldn't put it past Hollywood to make 'Snuggies the movie'." so this argument is complete bull.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 19, 2012, 11:00:09 AM
I think Anderson deserves just a little respect for a couple personal items.

A) Mortal Kombat, hoenstly? That movie kicked ass and was a gold star among a slew of crap VG Movie adaptions during the 90's (I'm looking at you Double Dragon and Street Fighter)

B) He did a zombie movie before zombies became "cool" again and kept doing them. If we disassociate with the RE name for a second here (I always take it as an Alternate Universe timeline for Resident Evil like bizarro world) they aren't half bad zombie movies and shows a formulaic progression of the outbreak not too different from Romero's Dawn/Day/Land trilogy. Always thought that was a nice touch.

C) The first RE movie was actually pretty awesome and could of fit in the original RE timeline (see timeline differences? It's LoS all over again!) and I thought was pretty clever instead of giving me the same experiences I played in the first game. It also had a lot of cute nods to the original source here and there, also that soundtrack. Hnnnnnnnnnngh, holy moly was that soundtrack awesome for that movie. Seriously, Manson should collab and work on more stuff like that.

Now, I think the turning point that made a lot of people upset with the RE movie franchise was when he decided to insert more characters from the universe, instead of just setting and creatures. It was bound to happen, but I think this is what gets most fans riled up about it. Which is also why I believe the first RE movie should be seen as different and not the same as the rest (though it does establish Alice as the main character).

But I do think Anderson's work did open up the opportunities for other directors to break into the industry and work on VG adaptions. But I also believe Anderson will never be the director to make a serious VG adaption again. What I'm interested in seeing play out is the MGS adaption (which from what I've gathered trying to catch up on years of not being here, you guys hate MGS?) done by the man who directed Iron Man. I think, more than anything, the latest slew of hit and serious comic book adaptions have paved a way for a more serious look at serious VG adaptions.

So while Anderson may have done a couple and made producers more keen that they could be worthwhile (since they hold all the money anyway), I think established names that have done serious adaptions of other media, such as Del Toro or Arad, are able to pitch and work on serious VG adaption movies because Anderson has made a killing (meaning bigger budgets, higher production values and some real talent).

But, again, that's my 2 cents since I'm no industry insider on the matter and can only speculate with what I've read, my personal understanding of the VG industry (which I imagine isn't too different from the film industry) and from what I've watched and enjoyed. I mean, yeah the RE movies (after the first one) kind of shit all over the original source, but come on, they're still entertaining and in all seriousness just an AU anyway.  :P
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 19, 2012, 12:09:34 PM
 Sure, its like a cat that eat your golden fish that you loved so much, but the cat is so cute, lets forgive him right? Right? NO!
 Atleast saying for myself, I cant see any VG adaptation movie coming from this guy, the MK movies that he did are kickass, but the story is very very distorted too, no one never noticed that only because in these days the majority of people didnt knew the story of the game. But if you play MK1~3  or go to any "MK Wiki" you will see how much things have been changed.

 The thing is, this guy doesnt know how to follow a story, he only take the characters, the place, and "create" the rest, without not even knowing the backstory of a character or what the story of the game is. Its like these kids in school that instead of learn the lessons they copy from the others, thinking that the result will be the same, but in the end its not.

 This maybe be the perfect person to make adaptation from games that dont have a story, because he likes to create new things, even when not needed.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: uzo on September 19, 2012, 12:26:02 PM
This maybe be the perfect person to make adaptation from games that dont have a story, because he likes to create new things, even when not needed.

PAC-MAN: Revelations

TETRIS: Cold War

CENTIPEDE: New York Crisis

(Yes I concede that Pac-Man actually does have a storyline, just a very obscure one, but come on, this would be amazing to see how bad it could get!)
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 19, 2012, 12:30:04 PM
PAC-MAN: Revelations

TETRIS: Cold War

CENTIPEDE: New York Crisis

(Yes I concede that Pac-Man actually does have a storyline, just a very obscure one, but come on, this would be amazing to see how bad it could get!)
Yes, that would make me laugh for days. I cant even imagine if he can do atleast "Pitfall" right.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Munchy on September 19, 2012, 01:20:14 PM
PAC-MAN: Revelations
(Yes I concede that Pac-Man actually does have a storyline, just a very obscure one, but come on, this would be amazing to see how bad it could get!)

I think a gritty Pac Man movie would look something like Silent Hill 4. 

It needs to be stop motion claymation and directed by David Lynch for maximum sheer fucking terror.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 19, 2012, 01:31:26 PM
Did someone say Pac-Man movie?  ;D
Pac Man: The Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWL6j0SvqV0#)

Another option...MINESWEEPER!
Minesweeper - The Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHY8NKj3RKs#)



Ok, I couldn't really help myself after those name drops. As for the cat eating a goldfish reference, is the cat mine? What could I have done to prevent my goldfish of being eatin' by cats if I knew they were around the house? Not to mention, it's only natural for the cat to eat the goldfish to sustain it's own life. It's the circle of life, and while I may be saddened by the loss of my fish, I know it's life went on to help keep that cat alive and healthy.

What I'm trying to say is that while the cat did something bad now, it has potential to do good in the future since it has done so in the past. But man, now I'm kind of craving sashimi...  :P
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: uzo on September 19, 2012, 01:49:30 PM
Did someone say Pac-Man movie?  ;D

My god, it's beautiful.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: crisis on September 19, 2012, 01:49:57 PM
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb58377/bomberman/images/e/e6/Boxart_jap_bomberman-act-zero.jpg)
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 19, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
@TheCruelAngel: Haha I loved these videos, I've seen one time another concept for Pac-Man in a image, Pac-Man is in a spacial base and the ghosts are the dead troopers from this ship. the energy pills are a remedy against fear, maybe diazepam lol
 If we are talking about the cat named Paul, he is not your cat, he invaded your house breaking into the closed window, and after eating your fish he taken a shit in your new videogame, even if you tried to protect your fish with security cams, traps, and closed doors and windows, yeah its THAT bad. lol

@Crisis: I have heard about this game, it seems that Paul have a counterpart in the game-designers world.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on September 19, 2012, 02:52:17 PM
Thankfully, that interpretation of Bomberman did very badly in the sales department.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 20, 2012, 02:19:49 PM
If we are talking about the cat named Paul, he is not your cat, he invaded your house breaking into the closed window, and after eating your fish he taken a shit in your new videogame, even if you tried to protect your fish with security cams, traps, and closed doors and windows, yeah its THAT bad. lol

Well if the cat was that determined, it must of been really hungry and my fish has served a higher purpose beyond eating and pooping by providing nourishment to this poor cat. :(

Though pooping in my new game is kind of mean, but it's just a material item and can be replaced/cleaned.

On another side note: another great videogame movie!
Paperboy: The Movie (Trailer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkiWdMVheZk#ws)
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 20, 2012, 06:04:11 PM
Well if the cat was that determined, it must of been really hungry and my fish has served a higher purpose beyond eating and pooping by providing nourishment to this poor cat. :(

Though pooping in my new game is kind of mean, but it's just a material item and can be replaced/cleaned.

On another side note: another great videogame movie!
Paperboy: The Movie (Trailer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkiWdMVheZk#ws)
Well, if this thing really happened with you and you have these kind sentiments, I can only say that you have a golden heart sir, congratulations and try to stay the same. :)

 Haha, poor Paperboy, since this is the most cruel I think this could have a chance to be real someday lol
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Ratty on September 22, 2012, 02:40:15 PM
Relevant
Red Letter Media Watches the Ending of Resident Evil: Afterlife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUPaxgIo98#ws)

http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-the-resident-evil-series/ (http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-the-resident-evil-series/)
RLM, the people who became infamous for painstakingly exploring just how bad the Star Wars prequels are, watched all of the Resident Evil movies for the first time in a marathon and have put up their thoughts on the series.
This is in the less analytically intense "Half in the Bag" format rather than the precise "Plinkett Review" series that the Star Wars/Indian Jones 4/Star Trek films were. But it's interesting to get some impressions about what the series lacks from people with extensive knowledge and a fair amount of experience in filmmaking, but no knowledge about the games. In fact RLM themselves don't think much of video games as a storytelling medium. At least judging by how they've used "video games" as a kind of shorthand for pulp-style "action without character development/for the sake of action" sequences in the Star Wars prequel review. So they're pretty apathetic on the whole "is it a good adaptation" front.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 22, 2012, 02:53:23 PM
It is from the newest movie or the one before the last? Because Im going to watch the latest yet. Yeah, I like comedy. :rolleyes:

edit: Im lucky, its not the new one, so I can see :P

edit2: hahahahahaha, I LOL'd this movie became more hilarious than it already was with this guys ahahaha I even thought that this could be a montage video.
 When I see the next in a cinema, if I remember that I will start to laugh.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on September 22, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
I'm glad I decided to stop watching these films after the third one. You know I would have almost commended them for using some of the abilities that Wesker actually uses in the games except that they had to go a ruin it by spamming the shit out of it and adding all kinds of wierd shit he's never shown to have.

EDIT: I wonder how these guys would react to the cinematography in the cut scenes of the last couple of games actually being vastly superior to anything in any of the films.

EDIT2: BTW. What the fuck happened to Wesker's accent in the movies?
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Sindra on September 25, 2012, 06:44:26 PM
EDIT2: BTW. What the fuck happened to Wesker's accent in the movies?

Wesker didn't originally have an accent in the original game. When Richard Waugh came along and voiced Wesker for Code:Veronica, RE0 and RE4, he put a slight British accent to Wesker's dialogue. Peter Jessup didn't have any accent when he did him in REmake. Then D.C. Douglas took over and voiced Wesker from Umbrella Chronicles on and took all the performances prior to his taking over and meshed them together. Since the Wesker in the 4th and now 5th live-action movies is based off of D.C. Douglas's performance, that's why it's changed.



So yeah, Wesker's never been voiced consistently in the games. Why should the movies be any different?
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 25, 2012, 07:28:20 PM
Sindra, how you exchanged these "hearts" from the rank for a scythe? Im talking about these hearts that is always below our nickname.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: crisis on September 25, 2012, 07:37:10 PM
Sindra exists in a dimension slightly above our own; therefor, she attains a unique rank amongst normal dungeon members

A few others have this special rank, tho i'll never tell >.>;
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 25, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
 Since you have the "troll award" I imagine it translates like "Ask Jorge or a moderator, I dont know" is that it? :)
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: crisis on September 25, 2012, 07:45:06 PM
I acquired the trollmeister award via a laundry list of smartass n00bs i've owned over the years, tho nowadays i just poke harmless fun at everybody here & they love me for it <.<;

b-but Jorge doesn't give out the "scythe" rank to just anybody, even if you ask for it
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 25, 2012, 07:50:00 PM
So Im almost right, cool, I will ask him tomorrow about these special ranks, since I never noticed them I wanna to know more about it :)
Also Im not trying to offend you, I see trolls like people that like to poke fun at others (but there some of them that doesnt know when to stop or make jokes that offend, that are the bad trolls lol, Im not telling that you are one of them tough), I like you.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: crisis on September 25, 2012, 07:54:09 PM
You regular like me or you like-like me? Be careful cuz Nagumo will get mad <.>;
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 25, 2012, 07:56:23 PM
Haha I think that its the regular, I didnt know that you have something with Nagumo xD
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: darkmanx_429 on September 25, 2012, 08:35:53 PM
So Im almost right, cool, I will ask him tomorrow about these special ranks, since I never noticed them I wanna to know more about it :)
Also Im not trying to offend you, I see trolls like people that like to poke fun at others (but there some of them that doesnt know when to stop or make jokes that offend, that are the bad trolls lol, Im not telling that you are one of them tough), I like you.
That would be interesting to know about...also no longevity awards for being part of the forum? Seen alot of people come and go these days, much less post frequently...
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 26, 2012, 07:21:09 AM
I did a thread asking that, so everyone will know about that easily. :)
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on September 26, 2012, 10:28:56 AM
Wesker didn't originally have an accent in the original game. When Richard Waugh came along and voiced Wesker for Code:Veronica, RE0 and RE4, he put a slight British accent to Wesker's dialogue. Peter Jessup didn't have any accent when he did him in REmake. Then D.C. Douglas took over and voiced Wesker from Umbrella Chronicles on and took all the performances prior to his taking over and meshed them together. Since the Wesker in the 4th and now 5th live-action movies is based off of D.C. Douglas's performance, that's why it's changed.



So yeah, Wesker's never been voiced consistently in the games. Why should the movies be any different?

Thanks for clearing that up. Shows how long it's been since I played the early ones. However, I would say the the Movies are different in that they consistently use the non-accented Wesker as opposed to the games' inconsistencies with it. Funny how the games and movies are consistently inconsistent from each other in an inverse manner... constantly. :P
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Sindra on September 26, 2012, 05:01:36 PM
Sindra, how you exchanged these "hearts" from the rank for a scythe? Im talking about these hearts that is always below our nickname.

You don't. You go through a almost a decade of dealing with the dregs of the Castlevania fandom and beyond, and somehow come out of it sane and far better at cracking skulls. That's how.


Funny how the games and movies are consistently inconsistent from each other in an inverse manner... constantly. :P

I wouldn't so much use the term "funny" as I would "Soul-breaking and eventual numbing", but that's just me.

Paul Anderson should have stopped at Mortal Kombat and remained firmly cemented in my mind as the bringer of cheesy, B-rated childhood cinema enjoyment.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 26, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
Hm, so basically its to mark old ones, thanks.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 27, 2012, 08:25:19 AM
Hm, so basically its to mark the old ones, thanks.

Fixed.  ;D

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/461505524_414a3d772a.jpg)

Also, Sindra, since you seem pretty invested in disliking Anderson's work I'm curious what you think of his first RE movie. Ignore the rest of them, just the first one, on it's own. Is it still to your disliking? What portions of the first film really grind your gears?

I want to know! Especially since I think the first RE movie is fine on it's own, everything after is just a mess and I'm still not quite sure how to digest them...
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Sindra on September 27, 2012, 02:41:41 PM
The first movie wasn't bad on its own. Granted, from the perspective of a Resident Evil fan who subscribes to a great deal of the actual scientific and biological facts that the games are littered with, I found a lot of inconsistencies. (Lickers do not mutate by feeding on "fresh DNA". Eating people never contributed to any mutation overload with the T-virus)

There was also the outright ridiculous. (Alice wall-kicking a Cerberus and knocking it out cold in a grand display of an over-excessive need for action)

Thing that was okay with a lot of Resident Evil fans was that, even with the instabilities they displayed apart from the actual game mythos, the plot could very well have worked by itself in the canon of the Resident Evil games. It messed with very few actual established game characters and areas. If greater attention to detail had been given, it would have been fine to keep as a stand-alone movie in the Resident Evil universe. (kind of like if RE: Survivor had been made a movie)

But then the studios decided to give into fan desire for actual live-action depictions of canon RE characters and events, and made the mistake of thinking Paul Anderson and his writers were actually going to adhere in any way to the games story and that he wouldn't shove his wife into the spotlight as the Super Mary-Sue that outshines all others.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on September 27, 2012, 03:51:15 PM
But then the studios decided to give into fan desire for actual live-action depictions of canon RE characters and events, and made the mistake of thinking Paul Anderson and his writers were actually going to adhere in any way to the games story and that he wouldn't shove his wife into the spotlight as the Super Mary-Sue that outshines all others.

I was ok with the first one, as I think most fans were. This here is when I started to detest this film series.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Neobelmont on September 27, 2012, 03:57:38 PM


With all of this I can say one thing and one thing only that he did right..... Fanservice!!!!!!!


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/12/Sienna_and_Jill_.jpg/220px-Sienna_and_Jill_.jpg)

Yes we know she kills nemesis and all, and in the movie not so much, but dang it at least Sienna looked liked her

and I refuse to complain about that amen....  8)
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 27, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
Thank you for taking the time to reply!

I figured you would probably have enjoyed the first RE movie with only a few gripes (I agree, the licker thing was dumb though I'm ok with Alice's mega kick).  But just wanted to make sure myself and not assume anything (because you know what they say about assumptions...), so I'm glad my suspicions were correct!

I completely agree that after the first one the series of movies just went drastically downhill and the inclusion of actual game characters to appease the fans couldn't of been a worse decision.

I'm glad to see I'm not alone in this opinion. All the Anderson hate had me worried for a bit there! And yes, if there is one thing to take away from the latter films, Jill was cast pretty well.  ;)
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on September 27, 2012, 04:17:57 PM
Actually, the moment that I began to hate the series was exactly that first scene in the second movie where Jill shows up all bad-ass and throws that match/lighter/whatever and it fails and Alice is conveniently in place to show her up and make Jill look bad. That was the problem with including the game characters, not that they were present, but that their every action is undermined by Anderson's love letter to his wife writing. That is what turned "fanservice" into "faninsult". Oh, so these are all the characters you love so much? Well, my wife is a superhero and will always save their inferior asses.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Ratty on September 27, 2012, 05:43:14 PM
Well, my wife is a superhero and will always save their inferior asses.

Pretty much this.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: crisis on September 27, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
Quote
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/461505524_414a3d772a.jpg)

I think it woulda been awesome if Gabriel fought Cthulhu instead of The Forgotten One; it would've made him seem that much more badass & permanently mark Dracula as the true King of Chaos, every evil being in existence in allegiance to him. Can you imagine Cthulhu begging for mercy upon his defeat? Woulda been badass i tells ya


only other vg character that has the strength & courage to defeat Cthulhu is Kratos, PROVE ME WRONG
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 27, 2012, 07:49:36 PM
Since SOTN we have them as normal enemies.
Have you watched Nyaruko-san anime? Its funny and have a lot of parodies, also she is a Ctulhu lol
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on September 27, 2012, 08:41:01 PM
I think the consensus is that the Cthulhu enemies in SotN are his children, the Star-spawn.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on September 27, 2012, 09:20:38 PM
SinceI didnt read any of Lovecraft's book I dont know, also I dont remember what is said in the enemy description too.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 27, 2012, 10:25:41 PM
I think it woulda been awesome if Gabriel fought Cthulhu instead of The Forgotten One; it would've made him seem that much more badass & permanently mark Dracula as the true King of Chaos, every evil being in existence in allegiance to him. Can you imagine Cthulhu begging for mercy upon his defeat? Woulda been badass i tells ya


only other vg character that has the strength & courage to defeat Cthulhu is Kratos, PROVE ME WRONG
THIS! We're already dealing with the old Gods (like Pan) so why not the old ones as well? I mean, Gabriel would go on to fight Cthulhu if it furthered his ambition to acquire the god mask without giving it a second thought. Also being the harbinger of insanity and all other things the devs really could have gone wild (think trippier than the fight against Dracula in Harmony of Dissonance for environment colors and such)

Also, right up there with Kratos I'm going to go with Dante. I mean, that's one bad dude who makes a hobby out of killing the highest ranking demons and monstrosities.

(http://fallingmoon7.webs.com/photos/Devil%20May%20Cry/devil-may-cry-009-zflnr.jpg)

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Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on September 30, 2012, 03:42:27 PM
Cthulhu would eat Gabriel after completely destroying his mind with his mere proximity.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: crisis on October 01, 2012, 05:45:09 PM
hay boy, which is wyh i made a graphic featuring these 3 studs

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/Untitled2-2.png)

who would win??

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Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Lelygax on October 01, 2012, 06:25:19 PM
Depends, if thats in a PS3, Kratos wins. lol
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: Inccubus on October 01, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
Kratos, being a demi-god, probably would have the best shot against Cthulu. Second would be Dante since he's a half-devil.
Title: Re: Fiv-- I mean Four Reasons Paul W.S Anderson deserves more credit
Post by: TheCruelAngel on October 02, 2012, 08:33:15 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/Untitled2-2.png)

Haha, these are awesome! I think it really captures each character (Kratos and his brutal almost beastial style, Gabriel at the ready and Dante not giving two fraks), love them all!