Now that the ending's are out I wonder now more then ever what the "Lost Soul" is.It was voiced by Patrick Stewart in the demo, it's probably Zobek.
If Richter appears, a girl that throw chickens and eggs named Maria will appear too.
A Galamoth appearence as final boss can be one of the only things that I expect (in vain).
Well Lords of Shadow 2 is suppose to span through centuries, who knows who he meets. But I hope a Belmont will show up before modern times.Simon did survive, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Can someone make a summary of th overall story of MoF? THANKS :dies:
Like in the majority of stories, a small amout of blood is sufficient to turn someone in a Vampire. But 3rd time? Whats the another ones? I only know that he defeats Satan.
Trevor goes kill Gabula and fail, Gabula discovers that Trevor is his son, Gabula cries, Gabula makes Trevor drink a bit of his blood, Gabula puts trevor in a coffin with the name Alucard written in it.So no really plot advancement? O.o Weird. How did they kill Dracula? Does Simon knows Trevor is Alucard? Who the f*** is the lost soul?
Simon goes kill Gabula, when Simon finds Gabula Alucard appears and kill Gabula, Alucard understand that Gabula isn't really dead. Alucar then picks Gabula wooden dildo and fly away, Simon say farewell, Cox says "We made easy money, you have been trolled", END.(click to show/hide)
So no really plot advancement? O.o Weird. How did they kill Dracula? Does Simon knows Trevor is Alucard? Who the f*** is the lost soul?(click to show/hide)
So no really plot advancement? O.o Weird. How did they kill Dracula? Does Simon knows Trevor is Alucard? Who the f*** is the lost soul?(click to show/hide)
Calling the plot twist for LoS2: Julius Belmont is actually Soma Cruz.* snicker *
LOL and the joke-fest begins.
I'm kind of surprised I'm not as annoyed by this "twist" as I thought I'd be. I actually felt really bad for Gabriel (but damn dude did you have to stake his ass :P) and Trevor but that detail about the mirror seems unnecessary.
Huh. Interesting.
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You cant PM him?
Well technically Trevor is still the first to defeat Dracula. :I
supposedly the secret ending is just Alucard finding the stake that was attacted to Gabriels combat cross, then flying away from the castle while Simon looks on as the castle collapses.
Amazing.
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The Belmonts killed Luigi! Those bastards! :P
As for the plot twist...meh. It's just hilarious to me that Cox flat out lied about it more than anything. (I'm not trusting a thing he says ala LoS 2 at this point.). Though the entire thing with Trevucard is kinda sad: Gabe just can't win in this story. And the Brotherhood sucks.
Also, considering this is a spoiler discussion, do we ever find out how that guy in the stain-glass window is?:
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I'm with Gabby on this one. The brotherhood and whoever is "really" pulling their strings needs to go. And I'm sure that humanity isn't entirely composed of the brotherhood.Looking at all this "fate" thing, I'm a bit of the opinion that God (or whatever higher being might be there instead) is more actively being a dick to "Dracula" in this continuity.
Also, considering this is a spoiler discussion, do we ever find out how that guy in the stain-glass window is?
Looking at all this "fate" thing, I'm a bit of the opinion that God (or whatever higher being might be there instead) is more actively being a dick to "Dracula" in this continuity.
At least God in the IGAverse stopped at Drac's wife (or wives, if you count the wrongful execution of Lisa Fahrenheights Tepes that might be orchestrated by someone else (hey, Isaac was behind Rosaly's)), here He pretty much decided "oh hey let's make you kill your own son too while I'm at it." (I consider Trevor already dead by the time Gabe vampirizes him.)
A this rate, I just expect Gabe to finally die and be reunited/finally ascend properly to heaven to be with is family...or whatever and thus be happy in death. If anything else happens, I'll be shocked.
Gabriel/Dracula can never ascend into Heaven. Remember what he kept saying over n over in LoS, oblivium sempiternum daemonis, "eternal oblivion for a demon."
The best he could hope for is complete nothingness, as tragic as it may seem.. or reincarnation.
In the end they will explain the following:
IGA Dracula died in 1999, since Soma didn't existed yet he said "Hey, let's go to a alternate universe while I wait" so he reincarnates as Gabriel by mistake.
CoxVania ends with Gabula dying and Dracula saying "Hey, now I remember everything, Im late! I know how to fix that!", so he goes to where CV: Judgement happens, when everything is returning to normal, he flees to 2018 (or whatever the year that Soma bith happens) and thats it.
Sounds legit. Dude, dude...DUDE...are you a Konami insider?Yes
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Except this Soma is a girl and looks like Marie.
>:/
Hehehe! Spoiler chain.
Should have named her Sonia.
Bestiary ListSo Toy Maker appears as an actual character and interacts with the Belmonts? I'm interested somewhat in him.(click to show/hide)
Toy Maker is a NPC and is responsible for the Daemon Lord's Resurrection. He isn't fought however. Future boss for LoS 2?
Gamefaqs user "The Chad" gives his regards as my source for this information and the previous lists I posted.
Gabriel/Dracula can never ascend into Heaven. Remember what he kept saying over n over in LoS, oblivium sempiternum daemonis, "eternal oblivion for a demon."
The best he could hope for is complete nothingness, as tragic as it may seem.. or reincarnation.
*Starts going mad from the revelation--and being forced to remember what Gabe said.*
No, dagnabit! Gabe will have his happy ending! He's gone through too much to just get pooed on even in death--or after death! No fair! Reincarnation it is then! And not as a Japanese school boy...with beautiful white hair...and a prettier face than his love interest.
Calling the plot twist for LoS2: Julius Belmont is actually Soma Cruz.
So Toy Maker appears as an actual character and interacts with the Belmonts? I'm interested somewhat in him.
And since we are in a spoiler thread, what's the significance with the Daemon Lord? Also, is the Reaver the Night Watchman's advanced form? After watching both boss fight videos, there's some apparent similarities(Night Watchman and Reaver both wear the plague docter mask, both send out those skull-faced dogs).
Don't forget the spoilerfest that is the trailers.
Where does Grant Danasty show up? I'm curious about that one.
Bestiary ListThat bestiary isn't complete, is it? Where's the possessed books that fly around in the Library?(click to show/hide)
I wonder why Zobek wanted Trevor's Combat Cross so badly?He probably wants it so that no one can use it against Gabula. I can't say. I don't have the money to buy a 3DS and the walkthroughs I'm watching on youtube just got to that part.
Gabula/Drabriel still has Alucard's coffin in the trailer for LOS2.
Satan was resurrected as the nightwatcher and Cornell was resurrected as the Forgotten One and then cursed as a Demon Lord. See the connection here? It's the lack of resources. They used the same voice actors.
Why is Alucard able to survive sunlight in the ending but not when the demon lord exposes him to dawn?
I wondered this too, I don't think he found anything that made him impervious to sunlight.Well Cox said he was not a regular vampire, as he had a reflection too. IDK, perhaps he becomes more human with time?
Well Cox said he was not a regular vampire, as he had a reflection too. IDK, perhaps he becomes more human with time?
Having just finished this game, I have to say I really enjoyed it. Just wish it was longer.
Only thing I'm miffed about is how Simon seemed like such a side-character. I mean, they made Trevor into a total badass, but Simon just seemed like Trevor's derpy son that only got in the way during the final battle.
I just wish they would make a mirror of fate 2 where Simon really gets a chance to shine. Too bad he's already 36 in this timeline.
Simon was hardly irrelevant. He was the one that staked Dracula and it is through him that the Belmont lineage will continue.
Simon: One oblivious to fate
Trevor/Alucard: One who fights against fate
Gabriel/Dracul: One who accepts fate
And I felt genuinely bad for Dracula at the end of Act 3. That's got to suck.LoS has the freaking best incarnation of Dracula in my opinion, it's just a shame his origin was ham-fisted in the LoS DLC.
I all looks great, but I do have one problem with the LoS universe: the enemies take too long to kill. In the old cannon, enemies would die after 4 hits at most. Especially the skeletons. Of course, with the exception of bosses and mini-bosses.
In this universe, it takes what seems like 10 hits to kill even the weakest enemies.
On another note, MoF fails when it comes to sub-weapons (at least as far as I've seen). Simons axe is slow and doesn't do anything. In the old cannon, the axe was relatively quick and powerful making it one of the most useful sub-weapons second only to the cross/boomerang. Even LoS one had better sub-weapons. Though I admit the holy water seemed a bit overpowered.
Thought I'd post a rip I just made of the 100% ending. As was said before, better watch before MS/Konami pulls it.
Castlevania: LoS MoF 100% Completion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uypLByR30#ws)
As for my thoughts on the game: A pile of QTEs and nonsensical cutscenes a game does not make. I'm going back to making CV Month stuff.
Now if you'll excuse me, i have to go murder my son, turn him into a zombie and start calling him a completely different name because, well, f*** him basically.
Bad story writing.Castlevania in a nutshell. Both timelines.
The story concept was good
What does the mirror of fate do?
I consider button mashing to open doors and chests QTEs in a sense. Really, they're button mashing sequences and we have yet to come up with a catchy concise term to describe those. It's a QTE sans cinematic flair though so I called it that. My opinion of the game is that it's remarkably shallow and has a slew of problems but I'm writing a video review ATM so I'd rather spend time working on that than a forum post.
I rather hate both LoS games, and it has nothing to do with the universe or visual stylings. This game will be traded in asap. Now if you'll excuse me, i have to go murder my son, turn him into a zombie and start calling him a completely different name because, well, f*** him basically.
Anyone notice that you had the SHADOW CLAWS in act 3 even though Trevor/Alucard gets them in act 2 (which takes place after act 3)? Can anyone say plot-hole?
Did you guys notice this in the room where the combat cross is stored?.
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Did you guys notice this in the room where the combat cross is stored?.
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Oh i found a bug in the game.
During the last phase of the succubus fight, i have no idea how this happened but Simon can't attack her and she doesn't attack him. I can move Simon around the stage but nothing's happening, thus, much to my dismay, i had to restart the fight.
Anyone notice that you had the SHADOW CLAWS in act 3 even though Trevor/Alucard gets them in act 2 (which takes place after act 3)? Can anyone say plot-hole?
Maybe not. Did you press R? When the orb she's in is worn down, it become silver, which unfortunately looks a lot like the other orbs. They show you that you press R to grab it earlier in the fight, but after that I was confused for a few minutes, expecting that prompt again. That could be it.
One of the things I loved was the Knight Scroll of the Pirate King, Grant Danasty. It doesn't really do justice to Grant, but I loved it anyways. The Mario one was great too
Man how the heck do I get those last couple chests behind the walls in the Library in Simon's chapter? I've tried everything, I can't find a way to get to them.
Oh i found a bug in the game.
During the last phase of the succubus fight, i have no idea how this happened but Simon can't attack her and she doesn't attack him. I can move Simon around the stage but nothing's happening, thus, much to my dismay, i had to restart the fight.
Man how the heck do I get those last couple chests behind the walls in the Library in Simon's chapter? I've tried everything, I can't find a way to get to them.
Well the stake becomes Alucard's sword.so the stake from Gabriels combat cross becomes Alucards sword? i wonder what makes it so special besides that
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The stake part from the original Combat Cross was known for staking vampires, which is how it got the nickname "Vampire Killer." When Gabriel shattered the weapon & left the pieces in the shadow dimension, the stake that he used to stab that bitch Carmilla was still intact within the castle.Wasn't that Simon's stake not Gabriel's?
The stake part from the original Combat Cross was known for staking vampires, which is how it got the nickname "Vampire Killer." When Gabriel shattered the weapon & left the pieces in the shadow dimension, the stake that he used to stab that bitch Carmilla was still intact within the castle.
I'm assuming Alucard will use it to forge his new sword, then that sword might get damaged somehow & then rebuilt to form a new Combat Cross, the true "Vampire Killer."
That said, I really don't like how they approached it story-wise. They should've never have made Gabriel shatter the Combat Cross in LoS1; instead, he leaves the shadow dimension with it but simply discards it, as he no longer has a use for it anymore. A brotherhood knight finds it, gives it to Trevor, etc. What I'm getting at is, "The holy weapon I once used to defeat the Lords of Shadow & Satan, is now used against me." For me, that gives it a much better mythos, rather than there being multiple Combat Crosses as seen in MoF. They should've kept the weapon special & unique, and why only a Belmont can wield it.
speaking of whips, the 2 combat crosses and stuff, i wonder if Dark Pain that Alucard uses in MoF will be featured as well in LoS2 besides the sword
instead, he leaves the shadow dimension with it but simply discards it, as he no longer has a use for it anymore. A brotherhood knight finds it,
How can a brotherhood knight enter the shadow dimension?
There is probably a way because when it comes to magic anything is possible.
There is probably a way because when it comes to magic anything is possible.Laura explictly said that humans can't enter the shadow dimension. That's why Gabriel was turned in the first place.
Well of course, it'a videogame, they can do whatever they want but at least to me it's a contrived explanation, but that's just me.
Laura explictly said that humans can't enter the shadow dimension. That's why Gabriel was turned in the first place.
How can a brotherhood knight enter the shadow dimension?you misunderstood me, I meant Gabriel leaves the dimension without shattering the whip first; once he returns to the human world, then he discards it somewhere (outskirts of the castle perhaps) brotherhood knight discovers it, etc.
not very logical and way to risky. If they wanted to keep the combat cross intact, the easy and more logical way was to make Gabe return to the normal world with it and store it in the castle, like he did with Trevors combat cross.that's what I meant, lol
Was it said that the copy cross was created by ghandolfi? Now, its been a week or so, along with heavy studying for my tests, but wasn't it mentioned that it was a copy made by the brotherhood? Perhaps he left the blueprints and a blacksmith forged another for Trevor, albeit, one that is inferior to the original.apparently there are several copies of the Combat Cross. In one of the brotherhood scrolls, it's written that he "needs a Combat Cross to get across the castle gate obstacle, things would be a lot easier for me" or something like that.
Laura explictly said that humans can't enter the shadow dimension. That's why Gabriel was turned in the first place.
Gabe trashed his cross in a moment of pretty good foresight- I mean, it's a super powerful Holy weapon- augmented by a ton of enhancements, and has the ability to kill vampires. Better to leave it where it cannot be found than to possibly have it used against him. He mentions that himself.I agree the story should have been told in order. It would give the reveal that Alucard and Trevor are the same person a little more power. Think about it: we see Gabriel pretty much kill Trevor and then trying to save him. Then, know nothing solid until we play as him. Sure, we would see him while playing as Simon, but wouldn't have a definitive answer until act 3.
Of course- his foresight forgot to remember he left the actual "Vampire Killer" stake back in Carmilla's Castle. And in the 26 years between LoS and Trevor's story, he never once remembered that bit that was RIGHT in the room Trevor fights him in.
Oops.
I saw the playthrough of the game. My thoughts:
Story was not underwhelming, it was alright. My gripe is the "told backwards" gimmick. It's painful because It's not hard to see what happens. It's all painfully obvious. They should have just told it in order. It's not like Trevor's ending reveals anything particularly Earth shattering. You already know he becomes Alucard through Alucard's story- The fact is not that well hidden. I suppose that is supposed to be the big reveal, but by the end of Alucard's Story it becomes obvious. They should have just told it in order- Trevor -> Simon-> Alucard
i dunno. I feel the story could have been much more enjoyable had it had a better more cohesive structure. And it did feel like somewhat of a cop-out to give Trevor the same moveset as Alucard. I would have expected Trevor and Alucard to have a few different abilities. I get that he lost all his shit upon death, (somehow he already knew how to jump in mid air when he was human, and forgot how to as an undead) but that could have been handled better.
The Trevor/Alucard thing was actually handled pretty well storywise. Im surprised I have no real beef with it. It just works, somehow. He killed Trevor without knowing he was his son, tries to revive him with his blood and fails, and entombs him. Having not known his son's name, he just gives his tomb the alias "Alucard", since His son was the antithesis to himself. A brotherhood knight who tried to defy his fate whereas Gabe accepted it, and whom fought against his Father instead of embracing him. Stuff like that. It actually makes sense, and again, I have somehow, no real beef with the fact that Alucard is the same entity as Trevor. Kudos, they really made it work somehow.
I love the details though, that show just how much Gabe really does still have a heart. He makes a shrine to Trevor, with his outfit and Combat Cross within it, with a nice stained glass window for the light to shine in, And when it comes to Trevor's body, he has ornate funeral garments made for him, and entombs him within the old Castle keep, rather than shoving him into the catacombs.
The Grant Scroll... I was under the impression that the body was not Grant himself, but just a brotherhood knight and Grant took the scroll and wrote his own shit on it, due to the way it words "if anyone should find this fallen Brotherhood scroll" and then says that Dracula will come to loath the name Danasty. *shrug*
Also, the elevators.
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HAH! They are right from SoTN.
On the game itself: it feels like they really limited themselves by going 2D. It feels like a game that would have been better as a 3D game, or a console game. maybe it's just me, I haven't played it, perhaps the experience is better with the 3D.
EDIT: The necromancer trying to get Trevor's cross for Zobek feels rather shoehorned in... It comes up once, then is never referred to again in any way. I suppose it's a plot thing for LoS2, but it just felt weird.
Anyone else feel like the Death figures in the Toymaker's clock were a shoutout to the traditional Death in the Clocktower scenario?
I wonder if Rinaldo left the order because he didn't like it anymore? We've seen that the Order is just full of bad ideas and terrible decisions, deciding to ruin one man's life and the life of his offspring (and possibly dooming the world to his terrible wrath) for the sake of an old prophecy without telling him anything, therefore just condemning him to his fall after he conveniently defeats Satan for them, And then allow his son to go to his death.
What makes you think that guy is related to Rinaldo at all? No evidence to suggest it.
Didn't someone ask also if they were really as good as they claim to be, to which he answered 'well that's the question, isn't it?" I recall seeing that somewhere in one of the other threads
It would be ironic if Gandolfi was one of the founders of the order and turned out that his dark half was Zobek.
:P
Gandolfi:
This Gandolf?