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Title: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Pfil on May 30, 2013, 01:00:42 PM

By request, I'm making this thread about how MercurySteam displayed female characters and their roles and importance in their games.
I already spoke my mind on another thread, but feel free to continue it here if you want.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Chernabogue on May 30, 2013, 01:08:22 PM

Spoiler: They all die.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: flyingchai on May 30, 2013, 01:12:56 PM

Spoiler-heavy explanation.

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MS portrays the women with the strength to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, and provide the drive necessary for the men their deaths affected to complete their quests.
Marie, Claudia, and Laura all sacrificed themselves for Gabriel and Sypha for Simon.

- Marie knew her fate, and knew that what was going to happen would result in Gabriel being driven to complete the quest to save the world from Satan and ultimately absorb the power of the Lords of Shadow. I have a feeling that there's more to her story in LOS2.

-Claudia's sacrifice provoked the Black Knight into attacking Gabriel and ultimately giving up the gauntlet, a tool that Gabriel used quite a bit during his fight with The Forgotten One.

- Laura's sacrifice transferred all her power to Gabriel in order for him to confront the Forgotten One and obtain his power. He would have never survived in the environment otherwise.

- Sypha sacrificed herself in order to save Simon, and even in death still protected him.

The sacrifice of all these women had a purpose; they all accepted their fate. These sacrifice in and of themselves all showed great strength.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: crisis on May 30, 2013, 01:27:14 PM

what about Baba Yaga

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: jestercolony on May 30, 2013, 01:31:13 PM

Marie - Through the concept of belief, what people do not understand, is that Marie did see Gabriel's fate through the mirror, but she did not see her death. Bastarnized and orphaned her son, Trevor to the Brotherhood of "Light". You also must realize, is that she did not 'sacrifice' herself, she was murdered in cold blood through the influence of the Devil's Mask in which was put on Gabriel by Zobek. You must also take into consideration, that in the end: SHE is the reason for Gabriel's downfall, she LIED to him. But no matter how much hate grew in  his heart, Gabriel loves her dearly. As the quotation at the end of the game "I know what it is you yearn for.", Zobek is speaking about his wife, that is ALL Dracula wants back, he could give a (pardon my french) fuck less about humanity, god, or Satan.  She too forgives Gabriel.

Claudia - Yes, she saw her fate through her psychic powers and that the gauntlet was a key. But again, you must realize that, the very gauntlet itself, again as I have stated over a million times, is the POWER OF DOMINANCE. If you pay strict attention to when Gabriel actually uses it, he absorbs the power of: Carmilia, The Necromancer, TFO. Death had the ability to control Gabriel at the very end through the sheer power of "Dominance".  But in the end she, Claudia forgave him, in silence.

Laura - You must take into consideration, that it isn't just her blood, it is in fact the blood of the Dark Lady (The Queen; Carmillia) that Gabriel took in. Purely drinking the "blood" of the innocent. A child like spirit, and or vampire is far more powerful, due to its purity. This is why Gabriel/Dracula turned so quickly and became THE king of Vampires and later The Prince of Darkness.

Take in consideration that: Dracula has 3 wives (Stoker lore) which is why 3 women had been very important.

Sypha - Yeah, she sacrificed herself in order to save Simon's life; but she returns as a Spirit due to being a Belnades. She aids Simon on his quest and what I feel (which really isn't stated) comforts him.

There are also two other women you are forgetting that had been murdered in cold blood -


Malphas (by Gabriel)
 
Baba-Yoga (who cannot die; Zobek, which he thinks). Baba is also very important in actual lore to a "Mirror of Fate".  She is the only one who -CAN- defeat Death.

Two very important witches. Both cursed by Love, both betraying one another, both of which are in fact (in actual real life lore/mythology) are Skinwalkers (Navajo legend)


But, to get off subject -  if anyone had paid strict attention to the MoF storyline - The BELMONT clan is NO longer apart of the order (I.e Simon and so on). They sole purpose is to destroy Dracula at any cost due to one thing: vengeance.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: crisis on May 30, 2013, 01:46:30 PM

I'm pretty sure Baba Yaga was just used as a plot device for that particular moment in the original game (music box segment), she had 1 scene, and is killed off-camera (if her character was crucial to the storyline then shouldn't they have at least shown Zobek sneaking up behind & stabbing her or something? Or having her mentioned anywhere in MoF? We KNOW Zobek is important, because despite him not appearing at all in MoF, he is at least mentioned. The player knows that Zobek is somewhere behind the scenes. But there's nothing concerning Baba Yaga). So I'm not exactly sure where you're getting the idea of her being immortal & the only one that can "defeat death," from.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: jestercolony on May 30, 2013, 01:51:40 PM

Baba is seen at the end of CVLOS* stalking Zobek. And as for the defeating death portion, I am getting it from actual real life mythology. Baba-Yaga was said to be a real witch; and she is also the very same witch in nursery tales.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Gecko on May 30, 2013, 02:13:31 PM

Quote from: jestercolony on May 30, 2013, 01:51:40 PM

Baba is seen at the end of CVLOS* stalking Zobek. And as for the defeating death portion, I am getting it from actual real life mythology. Baba-Yaga was said to be a real witch; and she is also the very same witch in nursery tales.

Oh damn, I forgot about that.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow Ending Dracula 1080P (True Ending) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK-AMLgn_QQ#ws)

Right when Zobek says "Soon old friend, soon it will all be over", Baba Yaga is standing right behind him, disguised as a bystander.

I really look forward to seeing how all these loose ends are tied together in LoS2. I really hope they handle it well.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Chernabogue on May 30, 2013, 02:21:49 PM

I don't think it is Baba Yaga, but just a random old lady.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 30, 2013, 02:24:18 PM

Yeah you can see this 'cloaked old woman' at 6:35.  I didn't think that was Baba Yaga, though.  I just thought it was some random old woman.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: jestercolony on May 30, 2013, 02:35:21 PM

Yes, again - please take what I say as pure speculation and observation (also with a grain of salt) with the storyline. We will not know for sure until LoS2.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: crisis on May 30, 2013, 02:44:06 PM

Haha yeah, if that old beggar woman had a staff or a large nose like Baba Yaga, then I can see where you might think that. But.. they're both short, and that's about it. If she was awkwardly stalking him inside the church, then there might be more credence to that theory.

Speculation is awesome [and funny] though, just like how some people thought the old man taking baby Trevor away was actually Rinaldo in MoF. Or how Gabriel's reflection is Dracula when he confronts Pan for the first time. People see what they want, I guess.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: TheFly22284 on May 30, 2013, 04:02:00 PM

This is a topic about which I have pretty mixed feelings. On the one hand, I really enjoy the LoS universe and think that the gender dynamics are reasonably appropriate for the pseudo-historical moment they're trying to capture. However, most of my scholarship deals with systems of privilege and oppression, and I have spent a lot of time writing and thinking about the role of conventional narratives of female subordination, domesticity and self-sacrifice in normalizing and perpetuating male privilege. The very qualities flyingchai is celebrating are admirable, in a way, but at the same time they also reflect a cultural inability (or unwillingness) to transcend our inherited history.

I don't think it's an overtly sexist act on MS's part, but I also don't think that sexism is about bad people as much as it is about people following paths of least resistance which reinforce received conceptions of hierarchy. In other words, it's just easier to give those roles to women, and they are ones which audiences will not, for the most part, question.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: crisis on May 30, 2013, 04:37:42 PM

Cox confirmed via Twitter the whole "baba yaga" situation

@CastlevaniaLOS Is Baba Yaga still alive after the events of the first LoS?
@niqhtwing Nope


and there you have it. Another theory squashed. Next!

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: darkwzrd4 on May 30, 2013, 05:11:51 PM

Quote from: crisis on May 30, 2013, 04:37:42 PM

Cox confirmed via Twitter the whole "baba yaga" situation

@CastlevaniaLOS Is Baba Yaga still alive after the events of the first LoS?
@niqhtwing Nope


and there you have it. Another theory squashed. Next!

Still, he could be lying. He's trolled us before after all.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Neobelmont on May 30, 2013, 05:41:11 PM

Quote from: darkwzrd4 on May 30, 2013, 05:11:51 PM

Still, he could be lying. He's trolled us before after all.

But it's yaga what role could she have that is so big, so paramount that it  would cross over to los2? I really think nothing.

But as far as the women go in the los verse I think chai has a good ball rolling. After all there is more than just fighting on the battlefield.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Sindra on May 30, 2013, 06:20:42 PM

Quote from: jestercolony on May 30, 2013, 01:31:13 PM

Marie - Through the concept of belief, what people do not understand, is that Marie did see Gabriel's fate through the mirror, but she did not see her death. Bastarnized and orphaned her son, Trevor to the Brotherhood of "Light". You also must realize, is that she did not 'sacrifice' herself, she was murdered in cold blood through the influence of the Devil's Mask in which was put on Gabriel by Zobek. You must also take into consideration, that in the end: SHE is the reason for Gabriel's downfall, she LIED to him. But no matter how much hate grew in  his heart, Gabriel loves her dearly. As the quotation at the end of the game "I know what it is you yearn for.", Zobek is speaking about his wife, that is ALL Dracula wants back, he could give a (pardon my french) fuck less about humanity, god, or Satan.  She too forgives Gabriel.

I liked Marie up until what they did to her backstory in Mirror of Fate. They really soured her to me.

They basically took a woman who was caught up in a huge conspiracy between Lucifer/Zobek and Gabriel/The Brotherhood, and had to deal with being able to watch her lover go through a perilous struggle to save the world and get her back and being unable to help or do anything at all, only to be separated from him. She was just as tragic as Gabriel, and now will now only be able to continue to watch from the high heavens and do nothing to console him.

Then, they needed to keep the plotline going with more Belmonts somehow, so.....they turn her into a bewildered and weak-willed wife who got shoe-horned by a manipulative Brotherhood into not only giving up her and Gabriel's firstborn son without so much as an argument about things, but also had her LIE to Gabe about not only the whole fact they have a kid but also about the fact she knew he'd turn to darkness. And she didn't think once that maybe being honest with her husband might change all of that? The man she knew since childhood, who married him and loved him without fail? Nope, a bunch of old gasbags showed her a magical MacGuffin and threw around the words "fate" and "unchangeable", and she just took it all at face value.

To me, they butchered any credibility she had prior, and from then on out.  Good job, MS.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: flyingchai on May 30, 2013, 07:43:43 PM

Quote from: Sindra on May 30, 2013, 06:20:42 PM

I And she didn't think once that maybe being honest with her husband might change all of that?

I say no.
Defeating the Lords of Shadow, absorbing their power, and defeating Satan himself required an unbreakable resolve.  I see no resolve more unbreakable for Gabriel than the notion of bringing back his murdered love. The result? The world was saved and all of the darkness that threatened to consume the world is now concentrated and contained in only one being: Gabriel himself, now as Dracul. Darkness cannot be eliminated, but it can be contained.

All of this needed to start with that unbreakable resolve to complete the original quest in the first place. And now all of those events have lead him to prevent Satan from getting back into Heaven.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Flame on May 30, 2013, 10:05:04 PM

Quote

they turn her into a bewildered and weak-willed wife who got shoe-horned by a manipulative Brotherhood into not only giving up her and Gabriel's firstborn son without so much as an argument about things, but also had her LIE to Gabe

She lied as far back as the Lake of Oblivion. Her and Pan both did, in order to save the world. They knew what the threat was, and played along with fate, railroading Gabriel and his desire for revenge and such. If he learned the truth at the Lake, how broken do you think he would have been?

Do recall his reaction when the truth was revealed by Zobek. He was crushed. he would hardly have the resolve to save the world after that.

Even after defeating Satan, he was just totally crushed emotionally. he broke down and cried. And when Laura contacted him, he was also moping about.

MoF could definitely have used more finesse in it's LoS story points, particularly the marie/son thing, but we already know she went along with the lie in LoS1, so it wasnt hard to add another layer.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Ahasverus on May 30, 2013, 10:47:21 PM

Women in Castlevania in general are the unluckiest of them all. They're always sacrificed, betrayed and/or kidnapped as damsels in dimstress. Shanoa was cool but of course she couldn't defeat dracula by her own he needed the sacrifice of a man. So yeah, it'd be nice if one of them gets unharmed for the whole game.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: VladCT on May 30, 2013, 11:07:24 PM

Quote from: Ahasverus on May 30, 2013, 10:47:21 PM

Women in Castlevania in general are the unluckiest of them all. They're always sacrificed, betrayed and/or kidnapped as damsels in dimstress. Shanoa was cool but of course she couldn't defeat dracula by her own he needed the sacrifice of a man. So yeah, it'd be nice if one of them gets unharmed for the whole game.

I'd say Yoko was considerably lucky in DoS, even though she was relegated to an assist role. And to say nothing of Charlotte...

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: uzo on May 31, 2013, 01:12:33 AM

Quote from: Ahasverus on May 30, 2013, 10:47:21 PM

Shanoa was cool but of course she couldn't defeat dracula by her own he needed the sacrifice of a man. So yeah, it'd be nice if one of them gets unharmed for the whole game.

She didn't need anything or anybody. Shanoa was totally prepared to and ready to pull the trigger to trade her life for Dracula's defeat. Albus barged in on his own accord and took the hit instead.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: A-Yty on May 31, 2013, 01:47:16 AM

Quote from: Ahasverus on May 30, 2013, 10:47:21 PM

So yeah, it'd be nice if one of them gets unharmed for the whole game.

Mina (at least AoS - if you count the prologue of DoS as kidnapping or getting harmed), Sypha in DC, Maria, Charlotte..

Shanoa too. Albus sacrificed himself willingly. Shanoa didn't necessarily need him do that.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2013, 09:22:01 AM

Quote from: A-Yty on May 31, 2013, 01:47:16 AM

Mina (at least AoS - if you count the prologue of DoS as kidnapping or getting harmed), Sypha in DC, Maria, Charlotte..

Shanoa too. Albus sacrificed himself willingly. Shanoa didn't necessarily need him do that.

 You left out Carrie.   ;)

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: crisis on May 31, 2013, 09:33:20 AM

hE ALSO LEFT OUT LADY GUNNER AND LITTLE WITCH
AND ANGELA FROM PACHISLOT

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: jestercolony on May 31, 2013, 10:35:02 AM

Since I figured this subject is about the women in Lords of Shadow, I felt it was best to share this from Sir Patrick Stewart himself at a Q&A set in that my brother shared with me on FB.

Patrick Stewart Gives Passionate Response to Question At Comicpalooza 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqFaiVNuy1k#ws)

Very moving, inspirational and touching.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: A-Yty on May 31, 2013, 11:11:48 AM

That's nice, but I don't think there's been any domestic abuse in Castlevania.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: jestercolony on May 31, 2013, 11:29:59 AM

Of course not, not in the old time line :P But in LOS...I question otherwise ;P

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: A-Yty on May 31, 2013, 11:44:01 AM

Is there? I don't think Gabe counts. He was controlled by Mr. Stewart's mask. And he didn't slap her around. I think he cut her head off.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2013, 11:54:59 AM

Quote from: crisis on May 31, 2013, 09:33:20 AM

hE ALSO LEFT OUT LADY GUNNER AND LITTLE WITCH
AND ANGELA FROM PACHISLOT

Lemon Grab - This is UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZbGSXeWWE#)

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2013, 03:48:07 PM

Let's just say and accept that Castlevania is a feminist nightmare  :P

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Flame on May 31, 2013, 04:36:52 PM

Quote from: Ahasverus on May 31, 2013, 03:48:07 PM

Let's just say and accept that Castlevania is a feminist nightmare  :P

Only from an ultra feminist point of view, involving nitpicks here and there.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2013, 07:04:03 PM

Quote from: Flame on May 31, 2013, 04:36:52 PM

Only from an ultra feminist point of view, involving nitpicks here and there.

Like this one?

Damsel in Distress: Part 2 - Tropes vs Women in Video Games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toa_vH6xGqs#ws)

Castlevania mentioned 2 times and shown 3.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 31, 2013, 09:07:13 PM

Oh, so there's a part 2 now?

Anyway, for the CV universe, I think it is easier for developers to relegate women into secondary/sacrificial roles...

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Flame on May 31, 2013, 09:31:24 PM

Quote from: Ahasverus on May 31, 2013, 07:04:03 PM

Like this one?

Damsel in Distress: Part 2 - Tropes vs Women in Video Games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toa_vH6xGqs#ws)

Castlevania mentioned 2 times and shown 3.

UUUUUUUUGGGGH

Could not finish.

She gets points for not coming off as a crazy MUH FEMINISM type, she's pretty well spoken in what shes talking about, but Jesus...

Damsel in distress is just a classic trope that's been around practically forever in any kind of media, and it's a cheap reliable plot device.

Why does any game that has a damsel in distress suddenly become a "male empowerment fantasy"? Why can't it just, yknow, be a videogame where the guy wants to saves the girl?

I don't find castlevania to be any particular kind of empowerment fantasy...

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: uzo on May 31, 2013, 09:44:52 PM

Hold up Flame.

She said male power fantasy, not empowerment. It's a power fantasy, ie being strong, fast, and skilled while starring a male character. She isn't claiming that these games are necessarily sporting a male empowerment message, ie men > women, women are worthless, etc. I believe she even goes on to say it's not likely intentionally an anti-female agenda but rather a product of laziness on the developer's part.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Flame on May 31, 2013, 10:26:21 PM

Male POWER fantasy. I knew I was saying something wrong.

But I couldnt be assed to re-watch the video.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2013, 12:36:43 AM

Oh Jesus. Sarkeesian now? Why dive to the bottom of the barrel?

A feminist nightmare? Overall, Castlevania has so tame contents, especially in this day and age, it's laughable to list it among games that degrade women.

I can agree that women have been sacrificial overall (and LoS is worse than the original canon when it comes to that), but it's not because women were specifically picked for that. It's the setting that has led to it and works both ways. You can hardly ever see the men express negative feelings like fear or weaknesses. I think the closest a man in Castlevania has come to acknowledging fear was when Reinhardt said: "Courage, don't leave me".

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Pfil on June 01, 2013, 12:56:15 AM

I'm sorry for creating a topic where that "Damsel in Distress" video had to be uploaded (yeah, as a bad example, but I just can't stand her stupidity, she is full of nonsense, and I don't want to get into this, please, I chose not to comment on her videos some time ago; why of course, she is not doing a good work at portraying women when she is setting herself as an example; we are not like that... most of us, mind you).

Sonia, Yoko, Carrie, Maria, Charlotte, Shanoa... also Lady Gunner, Little Witch, Angela, why not?
They kick ass!

I'd like to have had a playable Sypha in Mirror of Fate, for example. That's all was I asking, in the end.
I hope Lords of Shadow 2 includes a female lead, at least as an unlockable.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Flame on June 01, 2013, 01:40:47 AM

Quote from: A-Yty on June 01, 2013, 12:36:43 AM

You can hardly ever see the men express negative feelings like fear or weaknesses. I think the closest a man in Castlevania has come to acknowledging fear was when Reinhardt said: "Courage, don't leave me".

I might be wrong about this... But... Isn't Gabriel literally the first male Belmont to outright cry?

Aside from maybe Leon, who I don't remember too well on this matter...

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Pfil on June 01, 2013, 02:03:16 AM

I believe he is.
Everyone knows it up to this point, I guess.
I really wasn't a fan of the first LoS, but I always liked Gabriel as a character, as well as his dramatic tale of loss and tragedy.
I think it's the best story in the franchise for a male character (though I could be wrong).

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: uzo on June 01, 2013, 02:08:23 AM

Cox already said only one character will be playable in LoS2. Take it with a grain of salt since Cox is a known liar, but I'd find it much more likely that Alucard would take that spot if it existed. I doubt we'll see a woman in the LoS universe do anything but get murdered unfortunately.

So far we're 6 for 6. Can MS go for the high score?

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Pfil on June 01, 2013, 02:51:10 AM

That's so accurate!
Well, in that case, after playing LoS2 I can go play some HD on my PS3, where I can choose between many female leads.

And yes, Cox is a known liar. "Liar, liar, pants on fire!". That quote is legendary now in the Castlevania universe  :)

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 01, 2013, 03:10:22 AM

Yup, thanks to Nagumo's tweet!

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: A-Yty on June 02, 2013, 04:44:53 AM

Quote from: Flame on June 01, 2013, 01:40:47 AM

I might be wrong about this... But... Isn't Gabriel literally the first male Belmont to outright cry?

Aside from maybe Leon, who I don't remember too well on this matter...

True. Leon did scream her name desperately, but the next thing we saw was her grave. But with those character models, who would have noticed a sad face or tears..

He is however, the most emotionally versatile Belmont of the original canon - describing his love for Sara etc. Then again, they never gave much room for dialogues or monologues in games before that.

Incidentally, I think Richter's the first Belmont who has laughed. The next time was probably Juste in one of Harmony's endings.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Flame on June 02, 2013, 09:34:56 AM

Yeah. The animated cutscenes gave room for Richter to laugh.

before that it was all SRS FACES all day erry day. But like you said, there wasn't much cutscene action or anything really.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: A-Yty on June 02, 2013, 10:27:35 AM

With the way things are advancing, we might even have a Belmont capable of displaying the full spectrum of emotions by 202X!

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Neobelmont on June 02, 2013, 10:45:27 AM

Quote from: A-Yty on June 02, 2013, 10:27:35 AM

With the way things are advancing, we might even have a Belmont capable of displaying the full spectrum of emotions by 202X!

That's.....

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 03, 2013, 12:17:23 AM

Quote from: A-Yty on June 02, 2013, 10:27:35 AM

With the way things are advancing, we might even have a Belmont capable of displaying the full spectrum of emotions by 202X!

Ohhhh.... interesting....

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Pfil on June 03, 2013, 01:40:12 AM

With things are now, we could probably have one just in Lords of Shadow 2. Who knows?
I've already seen Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite have the largest and most complex range of emotions a character has ever displayed.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: A-Yty on June 03, 2013, 02:32:53 AM

In the midst of Gabriel's bloody vengeance and overall miserable lamenting of his undeath, he starts wisecracking and giggling.

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: chainsawmidget on June 03, 2013, 07:09:13 PM

Quote from: A-Yty on June 03, 2013, 02:32:53 AM

In the midst of Gabriel's bloody vengeance and overall miserable lamenting of his undeath, he starts wisecracking and giggling.

... why am I suddenly picturing Gabriel talking like Rodney Dangerfield?

Title: Re: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 05, 2013, 09:44:11 AM

"No respect, I tell ya, NO RESPECT!"

What were we talking about?