Topic: Women in the Lords of Shadow universe

[Neobelmont]

Still, he could be lying. He's trolled us before after all.

But it's yaga what role could she have that is so big, so paramount that it  would cross over to los2? I really think nothing.

But as far as the women go in the los verse I think chai has a good ball rolling. After all there is more than just fighting on the battlefield.

[Sindra]

Marie - Through the concept of belief, what people do not understand, is that Marie did see Gabriel's fate through the mirror, but she did not see her death. Bastarnized and orphaned her son, Trevor to the Brotherhood of "Light". You also must realize, is that she did not 'sacrifice' herself, she was murdered in cold blood through the influence of the Devil's Mask in which was put on Gabriel by Zobek. You must also take into consideration, that in the end: SHE is the reason for Gabriel's downfall, she LIED to him. But no matter how much hate grew in  his heart, Gabriel loves her dearly. As the quotation at the end of the game "I know what it is you yearn for.", Zobek is speaking about his wife, that is ALL Dracula wants back, he could give a (pardon my french) fuck less about humanity, god, or Satan.  She too forgives Gabriel.

I liked Marie up until what they did to her backstory in Mirror of Fate. They really soured her to me.

They basically took a woman who was caught up in a huge conspiracy between Lucifer/Zobek and Gabriel/The Brotherhood, and had to deal with being able to watch her lover go through a perilous struggle to save the world and get her back and being unable to help or do anything at all, only to be separated from him. She was just as tragic as Gabriel, and now will now only be able to continue to watch from the high heavens and do nothing to console him.

Then, they needed to keep the plotline going with more Belmonts somehow, so.....they turn her into a bewildered and weak-willed wife who got shoe-horned by a manipulative Brotherhood into not only giving up her and Gabriel's firstborn son without so much as an argument about things, but also had her LIE to Gabe about not only the whole fact they have a kid but also about the fact she knew he'd turn to darkness. And she didn't think once that maybe being honest with her husband might change all of that? The man she knew since childhood, who married him and loved him without fail? Nope, a bunch of old gasbags showed her a magical MacGuffin and threw around the words "fate" and "unchangeable", and she just took it all at face value.

To me, they butchered any credibility she had prior, and from then on out.  Good job, MS.

[flyingchai]

I And she didn't think once that maybe being honest with her husband might change all of that?

I say no.
Defeating the Lords of Shadow, absorbing their power, and defeating Satan himself required an unbreakable resolve.  I see no resolve more unbreakable for Gabriel than the notion of bringing back his murdered love. The result? The world was saved and all of the darkness that threatened to consume the world is now concentrated and contained in only one being: Gabriel himself, now as Dracul. Darkness cannot be eliminated, but it can be contained.

All of this needed to start with that unbreakable resolve to complete the original quest in the first place. And now all of those events have lead him to prevent Satan from getting back into Heaven.

[K.G. Morder]

they turn her into a bewildered and weak-willed wife who got shoe-horned by a manipulative Brotherhood into not only giving up her and Gabriel's firstborn son without so much as an argument about things, but also had her LIE to Gabe

She lied as far back as the Lake of Oblivion. Her and Pan both did, in order to save the world. They knew what the threat was, and played along with fate, railroading Gabriel and his desire for revenge and such. If he learned the truth at the Lake, how broken do you think he would have been?

Do recall his reaction when the truth was revealed by Zobek. He was crushed. he would hardly have the resolve to save the world after that.

Even after defeating Satan, he was just totally crushed emotionally. he broke down and cried. And when Laura contacted him, he was also moping about.

MoF could definitely have used more finesse in it's LoS story points, particularly the marie/son thing, but we already know she went along with the lie in LoS1, so it wasnt hard to add another layer.

[Ahasverus]

Women in Castlevania in general are the unluckiest of them all. They're always sacrificed, betrayed and/or kidnapped as damsels in dimstress. Shanoa was cool but of course she couldn't defeat dracula by her own he needed the sacrifice of a man. So yeah, it'd be nice if one of them gets unharmed for the whole game.

[VladCT]

Women in Castlevania in general are the unluckiest of them all. They're always sacrificed, betrayed and/or kidnapped as damsels in dimstress. Shanoa was cool but of course she couldn't defeat dracula by her own he needed the sacrifice of a man. So yeah, it'd be nice if one of them gets unharmed for the whole game.

I'd say Yoko was considerably lucky in DoS, even though she was relegated to an assist role. And to say nothing of Charlotte...

[uzo]

Shanoa was cool but of course she couldn't defeat dracula by her own he needed the sacrifice of a man. So yeah, it'd be nice if one of them gets unharmed for the whole game.

She didn't need anything or anybody. Shanoa was totally prepared to and ready to pull the trigger to trade her life for Dracula's defeat. Albus barged in on his own accord and took the hit instead.

[A-Yty]

So yeah, it'd be nice if one of them gets unharmed for the whole game.

Mina (at least AoS - if you count the prologue of DoS as kidnapping or getting harmed), Sypha in DC, Maria, Charlotte..

Shanoa too. Albus sacrificed himself willingly. Shanoa didn't necessarily need him do that.

[Neobelmont]

Mina (at least AoS - if you count the prologue of DoS as kidnapping or getting harmed), Sypha in DC, Maria, Charlotte..

Shanoa too. Albus sacrificed himself willingly. Shanoa didn't necessarily need him do that.

 You left out Carrie.   

[crisis]

hE ALSO LEFT OUT LADY GUNNER AND LITTLE WITCH
AND ANGELA FROM PACHISLOT

[jestercolony]

Since I figured this subject is about the women in Lords of Shadow, I felt it was best to share this from Sir Patrick Stewart himself at a Q&A set in that my brother shared with me on FB.

Patrick Stewart Gives Passionate Response to Question At Comicpalooza 2013

Very moving, inspirational and touching.

[A-Yty]

That's nice, but I don't think there's been any domestic abuse in Castlevania.

[jestercolony]

Of course not, not in the old time line But in LOS...I question otherwise ;P

[A-Yty]

Is there? I don't think Gabe counts. He was controlled by Mr. Stewart's mask. And he didn't slap her around. I think he cut her head off.

[Neobelmont]

hE ALSO LEFT OUT LADY GUNNER AND LITTLE WITCH
AND ANGELA FROM PACHISLOT

Lemon Grab - This is UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!