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Title: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: The Puritan on July 12, 2013, 11:28:18 AM
Inspired by the "What else do the Belmonts do" thread but on a larger scale. Share how you've tried to fill in the gaps of CV lore, from the inconsequential to the world-shaking.

Mine, to get the ball rolling:

Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: crisis on July 12, 2013, 12:05:22 PM
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Nagumo on July 12, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
Interesting thread!  :)

I can only think of a few at the moment, but maybe I'll add some more later:

Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on July 12, 2013, 01:36:57 PM
Hmmm

- The Succubus from LoI is Rinaldo's daughter
- Sonia exists. He's not a mainline Belmont but as Trevor's father dies she becomes the head of the family in her lifetime.
- Mathias IS NOT Dracula (Yeah IGA said he was but whatever) he's a pussy and his love for Elizabetha wouldn't have let him have another woman, the real Dracula kills Mathias and gets it's stone and all of this powers, however that's accidental as he was just a king trying to defend his kingdom from a socerer.
- Death doesn't serve Dracula but Chaos, he's going to cross path some day for him.
- Dracula is not a cartoon evil man, he has a simple mission, the discovery of a way to return people to life, he wants to do that to revive not only hs wife, but himself, and his son. That seems to be impossible, though.
- The monsters are the results of his experiments and his knowledge of magic.
- However he gets more disconected from himself and more of a chaos incarnation with each resurrection.
- Dracula STILL thinks he's the King of Wallachia/Romania, he thinks it's his kingdom's oblgiation to adore him just like in life.
- Alucard, called prince Adrian, was a sick child and actually died, Dracula revived him and his especial blood made him a damphire.
- Lisa, Dracula's ONLY love was a witch but a good one. She was the one who gave Dracula the idea of finding a "cure" so they could live together as simple humans.
- Death is the one that sells Lisa to provoke the coming events.
- Trevor Belmont is a pariah as the Belmont family is feared.
- Grant is the king of pirates and it was a coincidence that he was at the events of CVIII (Actually in Mirror of Fate he gets calle the king of Pirates so thank you Alvarez)
- Alucard is actually "killed" by hunter or a witch. That's why he doesn't appear until SOTN.
- Christopher is a cocky noble man who takes pride in his ancestry.
- Dracula is revived as a wrath in The Adventure, however he gains the ability to gain eternal youth by controlling Soleil (and drinking his blood) that's why subsequent Draculas look so damn young (I'm looking at you, Chronicles one).
- When Christopher kills Dracula the people of Wallachia exile the Belmonts to poverty, that's why Simon has such a poor outfit.
- Dracula has an especial fixation (attraction?) on Simon and wants him to join him reuniting the most powerful bloodlines in the world, Soleil is alive in Simon's time and finally gets killed by Dracula.
- In Simon's Quest Simon is a noble once again and he stops passing the whip by bloodline and instead he does it by tournament (as evidenced in HoD) avoiding corruption.
- The woman in Simon's dream was Sarah, the spirit of the whip.
- Juste cheats on the tuornament to win, that causes the corruption of the whip (and Maxim's madness) - I've always dislked Juste -
- Simon is really afraid by the time of HoD as Dracula is going to come after him again.
- Juste didn't have any descendance as punishment (not that he looked like he wanted......) or he decided not to.
- Maxim gets Married with Lydie. The resulting bloodline were the Schneiders.
- Richter is Juste's niece, he's similar to Christopher, a cocky man but with a good heart, still he inherits the whip (by tournament) in a state of corruption thanks to Juste.
- Marriages are arranged by the Belmonts/Church so they get positions of power.
- Richter's mother was a bitch.
- Richter didn't want to be a vampire killer, he wanted his own "freedom" it always seemded hard to him that the Belmonts were only destined to kill a man who is responsability of the army/church/god
- Wallachia is destroyed in RoB and the surviving Belmonts of the town are killed, Dracula is pissed that the townsfolk adore the Belmonts more than him.
- Dracula feels Richter's corruption and so he proceeds to break him.
- The girls rescued in RoB die at their return to (a non existant) wallachia, making Richter, Maria and whoever the girl was called the only surviving wallachians.


More to come..  ;)
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Chernabogue on July 12, 2013, 02:15:21 PM
A few from me.

- Mathias got the Crimson Stone during the Crusades, as the Church was looking for this powerful artifact. Leon was exiled/excommunicated for not being able to recover the item from Mathias, leading to the Belmon exil/fear.
- Sonia was Trevor's mother, but she was not a vampire killer.
- Lisa and Sypha met during their early years when they learnt magic. Sypha went to Dracula's castle to try to stop Dracula's revenge, but failed against the Cyclops (who turned her into stone).
- Hector and Julia had children, founding the Renard family. (Hector is Maria's ancestor.)
- Alucard exiled himself after killing Dracula with Trevor/Sypha/Grant, and only came back during SotN.
- Soleiyu could be Simon's grand-father.
- Galamoth tries to take the Crimson Stone from Dracula in order to control Chaos and Death.
- Albus is a Morris, and could be Quincy's grand-father. Albus' own father/grand-father got the VK from Richter after the events of SotN. That would explain why he is looking for the Belmonts during OoE. He also would have liked to use the VK against Dracula instead of Dominus, to spare Shanoa's life.
- Brauner was turned into a vampire by Elizabeth during WW1 after he lost his daugthers.
- Julius was trained by Jonathan, Charlotte, and Alucard. During the battle of 1999: Julius, Alucard, Mina's father, and Charlotte fought against Dracula. Jonathan died of old age/from the VK's curse. Dracula being too powerful, Mina's father seals the castle away with the help of Julius and the VK. However, Julius gets trapped into the castle and loses his memories.

And one for the fun, but I think someone else already made this theory already:
- Gabriel, in Modern Times, defeats Satan, and finds a way to get back in the past. He prevents his parents from abandonning him, so he wouldn't become Dracula. However, Mathias, who is related to Gabriel, becomes Dracula. (LoS being the prologue to the original timeline lol)
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on July 12, 2013, 02:27:20 PM
Somina exists. What happened in the game happened. The backstory of CV3 could be extended a bit further back to encompass Legends (the whole thing with the church and the Pope). Basically, after Sonia defeats Dracula, his curse still infects the land (Dracula's Curse, teehee) - just as in Simon's Quest and (the created-by-IGA) Curse of Darkness. Basically, mostly of the 15th century was a sucky time for Europe.

Sonia and Alucard didn't have a love child (this is supported by the Japanese storyline, where there simply isn't enough time).

Sypha Belnades/Fernandez is Sonia's daughter.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Pfil on July 12, 2013, 04:21:10 PM
To me, the ending when Simon dies was always the best ending.

I can think of many twisted things...

Shaft's purposes with the abducted maidens was not only what we were told.

Carmilla and Laura used to do some experiments during night.

Brauner was an aristocrat pimp, and exploited his daughters in some brothel for aristocracy, but fate showed it ugliest face and they became vampires, some night when an old vampire visited the naughty place.

Is that too much?  :P
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: crisis on July 12, 2013, 04:31:26 PM
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Brauner was an aristocrat pimp, and exploited his daughters in some brothel for aristocracy, but fate showed it ugliest face and they became vampires, some night when an old vampire visited the naughty place.

i thought Stella & Loretta were actually Eric's daughters?
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: X on July 12, 2013, 04:45:22 PM
Ooo! This looks interesting.

*AHEM!*

Mathias Cronqvist: Mathias is not Dracula. Instead Mathias disappears at the end of LoI and reappears much later on as King Matthias Corvinus of Hungary.

Leon Belmont: After LoI Leon marries another women whom he fell in love with and the two begin the infamous Belmont legacy.

Vlad Tepes III (Dracula): Vlad's father (Vlad II) is assassinated. His eldest son (Vlad III's brother) is buried alive and his youngest brother is given the Romania thrown by the Turks. Vlad goes through a tormented childhood of slavery and abuse; some even sexual. Once an adult Vlad seizes power forcibly from his younger brother and takes the thrown of Romania. Vlad then assaults King Mattias' armies which prompts a retaliatory strike from Matthias himself. Vlad III later  imprisoned by king Matthias for a duration of six years in which the two eventually become allies. During this time Vlad finds out about the Ebony and Crimson stones and steals them, thus reverting Mathias back to a powerless human. Vlad wins the battle against the Turkish forces but his bride Elizabetha kills herself due to false news of his demise. In a blinding rage Vlad renounces God, stabs the stone cross in his castle chapel which then bleeds outward, flooding the chapel. He drinks the blood and throws away his humanity. Vlad then becomes Dracula through his very will without the reliance of the Ebony and Crimson stones, although he wears the Crimson stone around his neck from that moment onward as a memento, but he calls it a blood stone.

CV L: Sonia Belmont is Vampire hunter and future Mother of Trevor Belmont. Sonia challenges the threat of Dracula and is successful in bringing him down. However the church and people find out about her supernatural powers and exile her. the only reason the church doesn't kill Sonia is because she is the direct descendant of Leon Belmont whom was a former noble employee of the church a year before the crusades broke out.

CV: Curse of Darkness: Does not happen.

Trevor Belmont: Defeats Dracula as his mother before him. Later on he Marries Sypha.

Sypha Belnades: A young Witch who was employed by the church in the hopes of subduing Dracula's forces as they were at the time unable to locate a Belmont. She Marries Trevor.

Grant Dynasty: Former prince of Romania, a Circus performer on land and Privateer at sea. He assists Trevor Belmont in his quest to overthrow Dracula and reinstate the Dynasty clan as the rulers of Romania. Grant and Sypha have no relationship beyond that of just being fellow comrades.

CV Adventure: Cannon title.

CV Belmont's Revenge: Cannon title.

CV Resurrection: Victor Belmont throws away his destiny, but is brought back in time to 1666 in order to fight Dracula. He's got no choice in the matter. Sonia Belmont is summoned by divine forces and resurrected from her grave to oppose Dracula once more.

Castlevania 1 NES: Cannon title.

Castlevania II Simon's Quest: Cannon title. Simon lives and Dracula's hand emerges from the grave.

Super Castlevania 4: Cannon title as the true sequel to Simon's Quest. It is Simon's last adventure and his most historic.

CV Harmony of Dissonance: Cannon title.

CV Rondo of Blood: Cannon title. Richter Belmont rescues everyone and puts an end to Dracula with Maria's assistance. Both Maria and Anett are unrelated by blood as Maria is really a descendant of the Belmont clan whom was adopted by the Renard family. Anett and Richter marry. Richter disappears one year later.

CV SotN: Four years after Richter's disappearance Maria on Anett's behalf and pleas, decides to search for him. Alucard is awakened as well and the two warriors eventually help each other to seal up Castlevania once more. Alucard faces Shaft and Dracula after helping to save Richter from Shaft's control spell.

CV CotM: Cannon title but from an alternate universe. Nathan Graves is a direct descendant of Richter. Nathan's mother is Richter's daughter. The Graves family are close friends with the Baldwin clan and after Nathan loses his parents while defeating Dracula, Morris Baldwin raises him up as one of his pupils. Hugh Baldwin is jealous of Nathan receiving the hunter whip though he does not know that it belongs to Nathan's family and is therefore his alone to wield.

CV 64/LoD: Cannon title but from an alternate universe.

CV OoE: Cannon title. After Shanoa defeats Dracula with the help of the Belmont blood's magical properties and through Dracula's own power, she searches for the main family line of the Belmonts whom are not in Wygol village. After locating them she eventually marries into the family.

Bram Stoker's Dracula: Quincy Morris whom is widowed at the time is staying with friends at Lucy's estate in hopes of courting the fair maiden. He has brought his 2 year-old son Jon Morris with him and leaves Jon to be with the Lecards,  close friends of the Morris family and distantly related by blood. During the pursuit of Dracula towards Romania, Quincy and the others learn of both Eric and Jon's abduction by Dracula's men. The two children are rescued and watch the final battle of Quincy and Dracula. Quincy is mortally wounded and dies. Jon is then taken in by the Lecards till he reaches maturity. He is then given his family's heirloom; the Vampirekiller whip.

CV Bloodlines: Cannon title.

CV PoR: Cannon title.

CV Area of Sorrow: Cannon title.

CV Dawn of Sorrow: Not necessary.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Pfil on July 12, 2013, 06:54:13 PM
i thought Stella & Loretta were actually Eric's daughters?
That would ruin my fanfiction idea, because Brauner fills aesthetically the role of an aristocratic pimp  :P

As the saying goes: "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: The Puritan on July 12, 2013, 10:21:12 PM
So SO many great ideas. I love it.

  • Mina's father probably died while using the last of his power to seal Castlevania

-Either he didn't die till after 2017 (when Mina was born) or it was her grandpa who sealed the Demon Castle.

  • Both male and female heirs can inherit and pass on the Belmont name and whip. I just imagine all the female ones were around inbetween the hotshots like Simon, Richter etc.
  • The original Castlevania for NES is the "offical" story of what happend in 1691. All the others are an alternate continuity with a different Simon. Likewise, Rondo is what really happend and DXX is outside the main contiuity. This is more or less supported by IGA, but sadly any offical timeline has yet to reflect this.

-Given Sonia, Zoe, and Dolores, I never did see why they shouldn't. I like to think one of them stood up to the plate when the male whip bearer was killed or disabled.

-If for no other reason than if it weren't the real story, then having the Darkwing Bat, Akmodan II, Medusa, The Creature, and Death as the guardians of Drac's relics in SOTN wouldn't make sense.

- Death doesn't serve Dracula but Chaos, he's going to cross path some day for him.
- Death is the one that sells Lisa to provoke the coming events.
- Trevor Belmont is a pariah as the Belmont family is feared.
- The woman in Simon's dream was Sarah, the spirit of the whip.

-I love how Judgment teased something very much like that. Then along came LOS.
-He did it as Zead for all we know.
-Ditto, but for all that I like to think he wandered Europe hunting monsters and doing good all the same.
-*steals this because he never thought of it and it's too awesome to pass up*

- Mathias got the Crimson Stone during the Crusades, as the Church was looking for this powerful artifact. Leon was exiled/excommunicated for not being able to recover the item from Mathias, leading to the Belmon exil/fear.
- Sonia was Trevor's mother, but she was not a vampire killer.
- Lisa and Sypha met during their early years when they learnt magic. Sypha went to Dracula's castle to try to stop Dracula's revenge, but failed against the Cyclops (who turned her into stone).
- Hector and Julia had children, founding the Renard family. (Hector is Maria's ancestor.)
- Albus is a Morris, and could be Quincy's grand-father. Albus' own father/grand-father got the VK from Richter after the events of SotN. That would explain why he is looking for the Belmonts during OoE. He also would have liked to use the VK against Dracula instead of Dominus, to spare Shanoa's life.
- Brauner was turned into a vampire by Elizabeth during WW1 after he lost his daugthers.

-Interesting. So Mathias in fact found what the Church was looking for but kept it to himself. That's a good one.
-This is a good way to re-canonize Sonia if they absolutely have to.
-...I would use this if I were in charge of a CV3 novel/movie. I really would.
-That would explain the animal affinity, but aren't the Renards of Belmont blood? Maybe their lines intermingled at some point.
-I remember when a lot of people were thinking Albus would be a Morris. It still kills me that it wasn't the case.
-This makes way more sense to me than "using the darkness in his soul to become a vampire."

Sonia and Alucard didn't have a love child (this is supported by the Japanese storyline, where there simply isn't enough time).

-Agreed. It was never even implied that Alucard was the father; that was just people extrapolating. The very idea of Trevor being his kid was always silly and extremely unlikely.

To me, the ending when Simon dies was always the best ending.

Shaft's purposes with the abducted maidens was not only what we were told.

Carmilla and Laura used to do some experiments during night.

Brauner was an aristocrat pimp, and exploited his daughters in some brothel for aristocracy, but fate showed it ugliest face and they became vampires, some night when an old vampire visited the naughty place.

Is that too much?  :P

-*high fives*
-TVTropes has a theory that Annette, Maria, Tera, and Iris were going to be one big sacrifice to revive Lisa. Maybe that's it?
-Goes without saying.
-...what Crisis said.  ;D


Leon Belmont: After LoI Leon marries another women whom he fell in love with and the two begin the infamous Belmont legacy.

Bram Stoker's Dracula: Quincy Morris whom is widowed at the time is staying with friends at Lucy's estate in hopes of courting the fair maiden. He has brought his 2 year-old son Jon Morris with him and leaves Jon to be with the Lecards,  close friends of the Morris family and distantly related by blood. During the pursuit of Dracula towards Romania, Quincy and the others learn of both Eric and Jon's abduction by Dracula's men. The two children are rescued and watch the final battle of Quincy and Dracula. Quincy is mortally wounded and dies. Jon is then taken in by the Lecards till he reaches maturity. He is then given his family's heirloom; the Vampirekiller whip.

-If there's one Belmont we needed more of pre-LOS, it was Leon. He was too important to leave hanging at just one game.
-All these years and I never once thought the Lecardes would be the ones to raise John post-1897. It would lend a brotherly vibe to his friendship with Eric for sure. And if we regard Judgement (or at least the info presented in it) as canon, it would explain Eric's bitterness; maybe his own dad favored John over him.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 13, 2013, 05:06:00 AM
I love this thread. Reading all your ideas make me say, "oh yeah... that must have happened"

Anyway, for my contribution...
Nocturne of Recollection: I believe Alucard and Lyudmil had some sort of relationship greater than a master and a servant. Alucard and Maria would not have children (due to Allie being so afraid of passing his bloodline), but there is a possibility of adoption.

Ricordanza: Suggests that DoS actually happened. Also is supported by the partial solar eclipse on January 16, 2037.

Julius: With the intense training required for the 1999 battle, perhaps he really has no heir.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Neobelmont on July 13, 2013, 05:45:43 AM
This is a bomb thread I gota come up with something.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: X on July 13, 2013, 05:50:09 AM
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This is a bomb thread I gota come up with something.

Better hurry, tickets are almost sold out!  ;)
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: GuyStarwind on July 13, 2013, 05:58:10 AM
This thread gets an A in my book. I might add something tomorrow but I have to go to bed.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Mystic Myotis on July 13, 2013, 09:33:34 AM
Mathias Cronqvist: Mathias is not Dracula. Instead Mathias disappears at the end of LoI and reappears much later on as King Matthias Corvinus of Hungary.

Did you come up with that yourself or did I inspire you?  ;D

In my head-canon, Mathias is indeed Dracula, however... it's a little convoluted.  Irl, the real Vlad was imprisoned for some time by Matthias Corvinus.  Head-canon says that this is Cronqvist, and that Matthias had at this point lost interest in ruling Hungary for whatever reason (gonna go with the idea that he discovered the reincarnation of Elisabetha in Wallachia and nothing else mattered after that), and so he ensorcelled Vlad and outright swapped places with him years before the irl date of Vlad's imprisonment.  Corvinus remained his puppet for some time, and the 'imprisonment' was not truly an imprisonment at all; in fact, Dracula was still in Wallachia building up a vast force to attack humanity because at this point Lisa had been murdered.

Irl, Vlad had three children.  He had one child with his first wife (Mihnea the Evil One) and two with Ilona Szilagyi, cousin of Corvinus; one of those was Vlad IV, and the other was an unknown child who supposedly died very young.  Since Lisa is the first wife in my head-canon, that means a little more history re-writing is in order.  Alucard is the oldest child, but he was outright written out of history, all details about him lost to those outside the vampire-hunting circle, and of course many of the baddies know at least a little about him.  In fact it is because of what happened to Lisa that the facts became so skewed; the people who murdered Dracula's wife trying to erase any hand they had in rousing the wrath of Dracula.  It helps that we can infer that Alucard more or less went into total seclusion after what happened; it would be easy to argue that Dracula's son was dead if he was never seen about.  So Alucard in history became a younger son that died of illness, in order to hide the wrongs that humans had committed against Dracula's family in an attempt to make him unsympathetic.

As for the two other sons, Ilona and Vlad had a marriage of convenience irl.  So I've turned her into a demon because I'm mean.  In my head-canon Dracula has two younger, half-demon half-vampire children: Mihnea the Evil One and Vlad IV.  Mihnea made attempts at continuing his father's war against humanity, and was assassinated by vampire hunters of your choice under orders from the church in Sibiu.

As for Vlad IV, there's not much to work with historically.  I'm gonna say Mihnea killed him.


Nocturne of Recollection: I believe Alucard and Lyudmil had some sort of relationship greater than a master and a servant. Alucard and Maria would not have children (due to Allie being so afraid of passing his bloodline), but there is a possibility of adoption.

I second this, particularly the latter bit.  Alucard, imo, has never passed on his genes, believing his bloodline to be cursed.  However, it's obvious that the Lecardes have some sort of connection to him and to Maria- I mean, come on... >_> - so the Lecardes are actually the descendents of their adopted child(ren) which also explains the wonky surname.



There's a ton more to my head-canon but I've got to work... er... later today and I haven't slept yet, so... another time.


EDIT: Zomg, how could I have forgotten my time-line head-canon notes?!  Hang on a sec; sorry for the double-post I'm about to make.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Mystic Myotis on July 13, 2013, 09:55:53 AM
So these are some random notes I've jotted down; I've never put them together coherently.  I should really do that...

(click to show/hide)

My thoughts are somewhat nebulous and I can't quite decide how I like the Dracula-Vlad-Corvinus thing to be so it comes out differently almost every time I write it down. XD

Anyway, that's as far as I got with trying to lay down my head-canon thoughts.

Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: chainsawmidget on July 13, 2013, 03:32:45 PM
Grant is dead.  While you can fight his monster form and restore sense to the guy, you can't change the fact that Dracula killed him and its his spirit that's accompanying Trevor.

Many people have heard about "The Wizard Belnades," who lives somewhere out in the dark forest.  Some say he's evil, some say he's a force of good, Almost all would agree that he's immortal.  They would be wrong.  "The Wizard" is actually part of a family that's been practicing magic for generations and the people of Transylvania have simply assured it's the same person.  Sypha is the last of her family.  In order to keep up appearances, she wears a heavy cloak to hide her features and uses a minor disguise spell to make her appear as an old man when she has t interact with others. 

Alucard's hair and skin ahve gone white because he hasn't been drinking his blood.  Yeah, the albino look is because he's malnourished.  Back in 3 when he was still reluctantly working for Dracula he was more willing to drink the blood of others so he appeared younger and healthier.  Dracula sometimes appears like this as well shortly after he's been resurrected because he hasn't had time to feat and fully regain his appearance. 
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: X on July 13, 2013, 04:09:07 PM
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Did you come up with that yourself or did I inspire you?  ;D

Naw. I had heard about this theory on the internet for quite some time now. And to me it's a lot easier to accept then IGA's explanation for Dracula. The Word 'Dracula' is nothing more then a title which comes from 'Dracul'; a Romania title, and I don't think IGA knew this. Did Mathias have a father called Dracul? I highly doubt it and we know absolutely nothing about him. So in hindsight Mathias can't be Dracula because there was no one who came before him with the title of Dracul. And Mathias is not a member of the order of the Dragon (order of the Dracul). Both he and Leon were from France if I'm not mistaken and the French church authorities don't have an order of the Dragon. It is strictly Romanian.

I suppose I should have put this in my first post, lol.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: crisis on July 13, 2013, 09:29:15 PM
Just some food for thought:

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Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Nagumo on July 13, 2013, 09:40:13 PM
What gives you the idea Leon and Mathias are from France? If they were, the whole bit from CV3 about the Belmonts being exiled from their homeland wouldn't make any sense.

The Order of the Dragon doesn't exist in the CV-verse since Vlad II and III don't either. Dracul also means 'devil', so the name Dracula still makes sense in context with the games.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on July 13, 2013, 10:15:13 PM
Pfff ALL of the Dracula theories here are better than IGA's Pussyas=Dracula :P

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The Order of the Dragon doesn't exist in the CV-verse since Vlad II and III don't either. Dracul also means 'devil', so the name Dracula still makes sense in context with the games.
No it doesn't. IGA thinks Dracula = Devil and that's not true.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: crisis on July 13, 2013, 10:25:27 PM
Dracula means son of the Dragon, but when people typically see the name Dracula, they associate it with an evil being/vampire. So IGA isn't necessarily wrong in saying that.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on July 13, 2013, 10:27:34 PM
Dracula means son of the Dragon, but when people typically see the name Dracula, they associate it with an evil being/vampire. So IGA isn't necessarily wrong in saying that.
Yeah I think the interpretation is not supposed to be semantic.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: X on July 14, 2013, 12:46:39 AM
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What gives you the idea Leon and Mathias are from France? If they were, the whole bit from CV3 about the Belmonts being exiled from their homeland wouldn't make any sense.

The name 'Belmont' is french apparently. It translates to "beautiful mountain". I've also looked up the title of Baron in different European countries and Romania does not appear on the list. Leon, during the LoI intro story is wearing French nobleman's outfit. Also isn't Walter Burnard's Castle situated in France somewhere? In terms of the CV 3 connection, Romainia is home to the Belmonts of that period in history, but that doesn't mean that they did not dwell in another land in the past. We know not of Mathias' home country as it is not mentioned so I'm guessing with him on this.

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The Order of the Dragon doesn't exist in the CV-verse since Vlad II and III don't either. Dracul also means 'devil', so the name Dracula still makes sense in context with the games.

The title's 'Dracul' (The Dragon) and 'Dracula' (Son of the Dragon) have nothing to do with the Devil. That was entirely a church thing. They no not of the old ways and knowledge of spirituality. Dragons are not evil to begin with and are historically linked with the serpent or snake (a world renowned, ancient deity of fertility and creation).
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Nagumo on July 14, 2013, 07:58:36 AM
No it doesn't. IGA thinks Dracula = Devil and that's not true.

He's partially correct. Putting 'son of the' before 'devil' doesn't render its meaning nonsensical in the CV-verse. Either way, Mathias basically calls himself the anti-christ. That's also pretty much what Dracula, so the name fits perfectly.

The name 'Belmont' is french apparently. It translates to "beautiful mountain". I've also looked up the title of Baron in different European countries and Romania does not appear on the list. Leon, during the LoI intro story is wearing French nobleman's outfit. Also isn't Walter Burnard's Castle situated in France somewhere? In terms of the CV 3 connection, Romainia is home to the Belmonts of that period in history, but that doesn't mean that they did not dwell in another land in the past. We know not of Mathias' home country as it is not mentioned so I'm guessing with him on this.

The title's 'Dracul' (The Dragon) and 'Dracula' (Son of the Dragon) have nothing to do with the Devil. That was entirely a church thing. They no not of the old ways and knowledge of spirituality. Dragons are not evil to begin with and are historically linked with the serpent or snake (a world renowned, ancient deity of fertility and creation).

Not too sound harsh, but I think you cling too much to historical facts when you really shouldn't.We know the series plays fast and loose with them almost all the time. Every game is a walking contradiction to the time period they are set in. It seems  more likely to me the events of Lament take place around Wallachia somewhere. Regardless, Leon still has a French name and French knight apparel but the setting is still supposed to be eastern Europe. The Ghostly Theatre has several paintings of a style that wasn't used until much later, not to mention the things they depict are from completely different countries and times. I could list tons of other examples. When you really start to break things down, it all falls apart pretty quickly. You should accept how things are presented and not try to rationalise it by trying to make it fit 100% with real history. That's not what the series set out to do. If you keep thinking that way you just get frustrated when things don't line up when they really aren't supposed to.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Chernabogue on July 14, 2013, 08:21:36 AM
Léon and Mathias are also French names. Belmont is somwhat French ("belle montagne" meaning "beautiful mountain").
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Dominus on July 14, 2013, 10:04:05 PM
Just like Bram Stoker's Dracula, Carmilla's novel events are canon. In the end Carmilla didn't get Laura, but she renamed all her "favorites" after her to honor her afterwards. Which is why we have several Lauras in PoR and DXC
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: X on July 15, 2013, 01:51:52 AM
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Not too sound harsh, but I think you cling too much to historical facts when you really shouldn't.We know the series plays fast and loose with them almost all the time. Every game is a walking contradiction to the time period they are set in. It seems  more likely to me the events of Lament take place around Wallachia somewhere. Regardless, Leon still has a French name and French knight apparel but the setting is still supposed to be eastern Europe. The Ghostly Theatre has several paintings of a style that wasn't used until much later, not to mention the things they depict are from completely different countries and times. I could list tons of other examples. When you really start to break things down, it all falls apart pretty quickly. You should accept how things are presented and not try to rationalise it by trying to make it fit 100% with real history. That's not what the series set out to do. If you keep thinking that way you just get frustrated when things don't line up when they really aren't supposed to.

No harshness here so your all good  ;)

But in terms of historical accuracy, Castlevania does come pretty close. Close enough that I don't really have to put in a whole lot of effort to make the connections and suppositions. Castlevania did start out as a horror spoof with many elements converging into one game. But ever since then the series has kept on growing, and the story has become more complex, there's just really no way that you can avoid make historical references with it now because it's now apart of the series. IGA is mainly responsible for introducing many bits of real-life history into the series so you can hold it to him for that.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on July 15, 2013, 02:02:17 AM
No harshness here so your all good  ;)

But in terms of historical accuracy, Castlevania does come pretty close. Close enough that I don't really have to put in a whole lot of effort to make the connections and suppositions. Castlevania did start out as a horror spoof with many elements converging into one game. But ever since then the series has kept on growing, and the story has become more complex, there's just really no way that you can avoid make historical references with it now because it's now apart of the series. IGA is mainly responsible for introducing many bits of real-life history into the series so you can hold it to him for that.
I disagree, IGA was the one who introduced many anachronisms. As prevoiously said, the outfits simly don't fit the era, and, for giving an easy example, the clock was not invented until 1227 yet there is a clock tower in LoI. Things like Ramen, for example, were unheard of in the 1600, some weapons are also introcuded before their invention and so on, Castlevania is not a series to like for its historical accuracy, it's more of an artistic representation of a vision than a documentary.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: X on July 15, 2013, 02:08:35 AM
That's true as well. I didn't mention them because I knew that they weren't historically accurate. IGA's done both, that's about as accurate as we can get.

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giving an easy example, the clock was not invented until 1227 yet there is a clock tower in LoI.

While this is true as well, LoI doesn't have a clock tower apparently. There are gears and cogs littered throughout some of the rooms of the Anti-souls mysterylab, but in no way does the player ever go through a clock tower. IGA I believe had made a comment on that very subject a while back too.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Pfil on July 15, 2013, 04:45:11 PM
-Goes without saying.
Good material for a doujinshi...  ;D
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: The Puritan on July 15, 2013, 11:06:02 PM
Just like Bram Stoker's Dracula, Carmilla's novel events are canon. In the end Carmilla didn't get Laura, but she renamed all her "favorites" after her to honor her afterwards. Which is why we have several Lauras in PoR and DXC

Speaking of Carmilla, there's a portrait of her (or rather the girl she was posing as) dated 1698. The year Simon's Quest happened. Iga must've done his research.

Good material for a doujinshi...  ;D

You deserve the succubus award thingy just for that.  ;D
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Pfil on July 16, 2013, 03:08:33 AM
You deserve the succubus award thingy just for that.  ;D
Haha!  ;D
I have a long history of fangirl hot dreams moments here, I'm pretty vocal about my fantasies  :P
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: The Puritan on July 17, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
...oh God. Pfil, I'm so sorry.  :o ;D

Anyway, a few more:

-The Lecardes are descended from the non-Mathias side of the Cronqvist bloodline. That's why they can unlock the VK's power for non-Belmonts (the Whip of Alchemy being a product of Cronqvist magic) and that's why Alucard gave them the Spear.

-Trevor wandered much of Europe and parts of Asia pre-CV3, killing all kinds of monsters along the way. He may've made it as far as India and gotten a taste for the local cuisine. That's why his second drop item in COD is... curry.

-In Bram Stoker's Dracula, Van Helsing says, "For in this enlightened age, when men believe not even what they see, the doubting of wise men would be his greatest strength. It would be at once his sheath and his armor, and his weapons to destroy us..." The Belmonts may have realized this decades earlier (as the world was getting more and more modern) and it might've been one of the reasons they disappeared. Though it still wouldn't explain why they can't use the whip till 1999.

-Speaking of Van Helsing: he helped train John Morris and is from the second best vampire hunting clan of the Castlevania universe.

-Similarly, Maxim had a hand in training young Richter.

-That scarf Richter wears in DXC? A lady's favor from Annette.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: chainsawmidget on July 17, 2013, 03:22:05 PM
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Though it still wouldn't explain why they can't use the whip till 1999.

"He who fights against monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster in the process."
This is exactly where the Belmonts went wrong. 

We know from the storylines that having supernatural powers doesn't make you a monster and even being a monster doesn't mean you're a bad person.  However, somewhere along the lines the House of Belmont* lost sight of this and turned their attentions to any that showed signs of "dark powers."  After several murders of innocents, the whip essentially rejected the clan.  Anyone of the Belmont bloodline that touched the whip would burn, much in the same way that touching a cross hurts vampires. 

Once word of this spread, the House of Belmont lost credibility and faded from public eye. 

So, why was Julius able to wield the whip without being burned? 
He wasn't. 

In a desperate act of heroism, Julius first picked up the whip to defend some innocent people from a vampire attack despite knowing that it would burn him doing so.  If you were able to get a close look at his hands, you would see them covered in burn scars from when he was first wielding the whip. 





*I just like the term "House of Belmont".  It sounds so much classier than the Belmont family, or the Belmont clan. 
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: crisis on July 17, 2013, 03:45:03 PM
I believe the term "House Belmont" was first introduced in Judgment, but it's been years since I played it so I'm not 100% sure. Might have to youtube it


No one has ever questioned the jewel around Soma's neck in DoS. Perhaps it could be a shard of the Crimson Stone? Or more likely, a keepsake Mina gave him.
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Pfil on July 17, 2013, 04:11:59 PM
...oh God. Pfil, I'm so sorry.  :o ;D
Haha! They added the Succubus thingy!  :P
Title: Re: The Headcanon Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on July 17, 2013, 04:15:48 PM
I believe the term "House Belmont" was first introduced in Judgment, but it's been years since I played it so I'm not 100% sure. Might have to youtube it


No one has ever questioned the jewel around Soma's neck in DoS. Perhaps it could be a shard of the Crimson Stone? Or more likely, a keepsake Mina gave him.
That's the ina talisman that stops him from becoming Dracula isn't it?