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Title: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on August 17, 2016, 06:56:19 AM
First post-Kojima Metal Gear game has been announced as Metal Gear Survive. Releasing in 2017, it's a co-op survival game where you play as a soldier left behind on Mother Base who is pulled into an alternate universe that is infested with some kind of creatures resembling zombies. Doesn't look that bad, honestly. Coming to PS4, Xbone, and Steam.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: darkmanx_429 on August 17, 2016, 02:17:42 PM
Well this was unexpected and looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: X on August 17, 2016, 02:41:04 PM
The concept sounds kinda 'meh' to me. I don't see MGS intermingling very well with a zombie-esque theme. I'll have to see more on what it's about exactly but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: KaZudra on August 17, 2016, 05:39:22 PM
"What a mess we made, when it all went wrong"
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: TheTextGuy on August 17, 2016, 05:53:46 PM
Well, that's a thing. I'm going to go into a full rant outrage *redacted* and now I'll hug a baby like Norman Reedus.
(My actual feelings of this is more of a slightly amused but otherwise unimpressed state).
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Belmontoya on August 17, 2016, 06:17:56 PM
I'm glad their continuing to make console games!
But this concept takes metal gear (a unique game) and makes it look like every other zombie shooter out there.
Still, it might be cool...
I'm pretty sure Konami is cooking some new Castlevania for us too.
Call it a slightly more informed hunch.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on August 17, 2016, 06:19:56 PM
Konami will not be selling Metal Gear Survive at full price. (http://www.polygon.com/2016/8/17/12515180/metal-gear-survive-price-ps4-xbox-one-pc-gamescom-2016) While they have not named a price yet, it's confirmed that upon its release in 2017, the game will be coming out brand new at less than $60. I'd say a good estimate is in the $30-40 range. Either way, that's pretty good, especially for those skeptical about it.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Kingshango on August 17, 2016, 07:20:01 PM
I wanna die.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: theplottwist on August 17, 2016, 07:57:31 PM
Before I wanted Konami to try their hand at Castlevania without IGA. Now, after watching this, I want them to STAY THE HELL AWAY from Castlevania. They'll turn it into a tactical espionage action game or soccer game.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: piscesdreams on August 17, 2016, 08:17:54 PM
Before I wanted Konami to try their hand at Castlevania without IGA. Now, after watching this, I want them to STAY THE HELL AWAY from Castlevania. They'll turn it into a tactical espionage action game or soccer game.
They could make it into horror... slow paced Amnesia styled horror with no combat :P
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on August 17, 2016, 11:37:32 PM
Though to be honest, my reaction is really less "I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS" and more "dude, why?".
That's how I felt about the announcement, and that's how I feel now, so it's more like (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F896%2F015%2Fa90.png&hash=ebb10daa36bba6dcdf60ae7908ed57602eb54f2c) with the rest of the 198% being "heh okay Konami knock yourself dead."
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: JR on August 18, 2016, 05:58:07 AM
This is just kind of lolwut for me. I don't know whether to be interested or to laugh at it.
Before I wanted Konami to try their hand at Castlevania without IGA. Now, after watching this, I want them to STAY THE HELL AWAY from Castlevania. They'll turn it into a tactical espionage action game or soccer game.
My money's on a tower defense game with QTE DLC. "This time, instead of attacking Dracula's Castle...the player should...DEFEND it! Brilliant!"
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Nagumo on August 18, 2016, 07:13:27 AM
I'm pretty sure Konami is cooking some new Castlevania for us too.
What you mean this? http://au.ign.com/articles/2016/03/18/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-developers-announce-mysterious-new-game (http://au.ign.com/articles/2016/03/18/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-developers-announce-mysterious-new-game)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Wanhus on August 18, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
This is the same thing everyone is doing, yet another "survival" game. Fast money grab with a good name behind it. I have nothing against survival games but once you have seen 20 of them you have pretty much seen them all.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on August 18, 2016, 02:51:28 PM
New details on the game have been revealed, but it's not really much. (http://www.pcgamer.com/konami-opens-up-a-little-about-what-metal-gear-survive-actually-is/?utm_content=buffer01106&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 19, 2016, 08:34:39 AM
Meh.... I was waiting for Pyramid Head to appear....
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 19, 2016, 10:26:19 PM
Well, zombies are not a new thing in Metal Gear (4 and 5 both had different kinds of zombies, with 5's being more "literal" zombies), nor are alternate universes (which were the WHOLE FOCAL POINT of the final Snake Tales single player campaign in MGS2), and we had Co-Op in Peace Walker. Furthermore, Metal Gear Ac!d 1&2 are "canon but in an alternate universe" according to Hideo Kojima himself, so none of this is actually as bizarre to the premise of Metal Gear as most fans seem to assume. This is the first time these tropes from the series have all been collected in one spot, but none of this is bringing anything into the franchise that Kojima hadn't already put there before he left.
Also I have a sneaking suspicion that the zombies BIOLOGICAL THREATS are just a general antagonist force whereas the game will have a properly Metal Gear villain pulling the strings and being behind the wormholes to begin with, especially given the "nano machines gone wild" look of the zombies.
Also, no matter how bad this game is, it can't POSSIBLY be as bad and infuriatingly incomplete as The Phantom Pain turned out to be.
So there's that.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on August 20, 2016, 02:53:44 AM
Also, no matter how bad this game is, it can't POSSIBLY be as bad and infuriatingly incomplete as The Phantom Pain turned out to be.
This is too true, unfortunately. There's no Kojima to bully this time around.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Mystic Myotis on August 20, 2016, 04:35:18 PM
Shoot yourself in the face again Konami.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: X on August 21, 2016, 01:34:15 AM
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Meh.... I was waiting for Pyramid Head to appear....
Technically that already happened. Metal Gear Ray is a close contender as its front has that pyramid-ish shape to it.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Dracula9 on August 21, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
I'm not really thrilled, but not for the reasons one might expect.
I can't really call it some insane deviation from the "true" Metal Gear titles, since the standard titles already get into some really trippy shit anyway (combat clone babies, giant AI nukebots, cyborgs, nanomachines, and downright crazy levels of convoluted plot) and rock zombies isn't that big a step from what the series has already done, really.
But it just doesn't look particularly interesting at present--another zombie shooter but with stealth this time, if only there were a similar game with a rugged old guy and a teenage girl...oh wait!
That all being said, I gave Rising a similar "this isn't the Metal Gear I know and love, fuck this trash!" attitude when I first heard about it and looked into it--something I wish I'd given a fairer chance, because having played Rising quite a few times I very heavily enjoy it for what it was always meant to be: a rip-roaring hack-and-slashin' good time.
Perhaps Survive will be of a similar nature--just a fun time deviating into wacky territory from the "normal" saga and timeline that was never meant to be taken too seriously. Maybe it'll be legit awful. I have no idea, but I'm holding off my ranting and raving about it for now, since at this point we're basically in the phase of "let's play Spot The Konami Witch-Hunt Fans" since there are doubtlessly people judging it solely because Kojima isn't on it and Konami did a bad thing or two awhile back.
But hey, I really loved The Last of Us, so perhaps I'll find enjoyment in what basically also amounts to "avoid zombies, be sneaky."
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 21, 2016, 11:16:14 PM
Undead crystalized beings... Konami's making a spinoff to Square Enix's Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology!!!
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: JR on August 22, 2016, 08:40:48 AM
Go home, Konami. You're drunk.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: zangetsu468 on August 22, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
#metalgearbeyonce #meandmyraiden #drunkonami ;D
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 23, 2016, 01:05:27 AM
I'm not really thrilled, but not for the reasons one might expect.
I can't really call it some insane deviation from the "true" Metal Gear titles, since the standard titles already get into some really trippy shit anyway (combat clone babies, giant AI nukebots, cyborgs, nanomachines, and downright crazy levels of convoluted plot) and rock zombies isn't that big a step from what the series has already done, really.
But it just doesn't look particularly interesting at present--another zombie shooter but with stealth this time, if only there were a similar game with a rugged old guy and a teenage girl...oh wait!
That all being said, I gave Rising a similar "this isn't the Metal Gear I know and love, fuck this trash!" attitude when I first heard about it and looked into it--something I wish I'd given a fairer chance, because having played Rising quite a few times I very heavily enjoy it for what it was always meant to be: a rip-roaring hack-and-slashin' good time.
Perhaps Survive will be of a similar nature--just a fun time deviating into wacky territory from the "normal" saga and timeline that was never meant to be taken too seriously. Maybe it'll be legit awful. I have no idea, but I'm holding off my ranting and raving about it for now, since at this point we're basically in the phase of "let's play Spot The Konami Witch-Hunt Fans" since there are doubtlessly people judging it solely because Kojima isn't on it and Konami did a bad thing or two awhile back.
But hey, I really loved The Last of Us, so perhaps I'll find enjoyment in what basically also amounts to "avoid zombies, be sneaky."
I like your attitude, friend.
I do appreciate that Konami is skimming over the entire clusterfuck they had with Phantom Pain and THAT final "twist". The sooner Venom Snake is banished from fanon, the better. I'm gonna reiterate my hope here: I really hope we get a proper Metal Gear style villain in the third act or sooner, some evil conspiracy that was experimenting with nanomachines and ended up making the zombies as a result, and then they too got locked in the other dimension.
Especially going to be awesome when your character asks how the zombies were made and they do the "anime push their glasses up" thing and just go "...NANOMACHINES SON."
Depending on whether or not there's more to the Alternate Universe than "generic dusty desert", there may even be more potential for future stories in that setting.
This whole thing REEKS of backdoor pilot, but in the best way.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: The Puritan on August 23, 2016, 02:01:46 AM
I messaged Nagumo and told her why I think something will happen.
But it's really nothing more than a good hunch.
It's more just a sense of the winds changing at Konami. Clearly with this game they are still working on console software. And no, it doesn't look great, but it's something at least.
And Ayami Kojima telling me that Konami has said they will not interfere with the release of Lecarde Chronicles 2 makes me feel that they do care about the CV fan base after all. And whether or not they plan to make another 2dvania themselves, they are choosing to let the fans have one by not cancelling LC2. We were lucky to have someone they know contact them on our behalf.
Thats all I can really say!
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: zangetsu468 on August 24, 2016, 06:39:50 AM
And Ayami Kojima telling me that Konami has said they will not interfere with the release of Lecarde Chronicles 2 makes me feel that they do care about the CV fan base after all.
They could always try to s** for B**** S****** which would leave 2dvania fans somewhat disgruntled if nothing else.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Belmontoya on August 24, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
Each game has tried to outdo the previous one as "the definitive explanation of plot" that eventually the snowball of plot twists was crushed under its own weight.
Hence nanomachine zombies.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: X on September 01, 2016, 02:39:53 PM
Yeah that white sheet says it all about what last few MGS games were about. I'm still waiting for a game that brings about the creation of Outer Haven, Not another Mother Base.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on September 18, 2016, 05:18:43 AM
15 minutes of gameplay footage. Looks like a mixture of MGSV and Peace Walker, with elements of MGS3 thrown in for good measure. Actually looks kind of fun.
I also remember how I once talked to my brother about how a zombie-survival game would be cool with MGSV's gameplay. Kinda weird how it's actually happening, but whether or not it actually is good remains to be seen. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Bloodreign on September 18, 2016, 06:46:04 AM
Metal Gear is dead, just like the possible zombies in this game. Let it go Konami, let it go. Focus on your other IP's you've long left dormant.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: JR on September 19, 2016, 08:16:52 AM
15 minutes of gameplay footage. Looks like a mixture of MGSV and Peace Walker, with elements of MGS3 thrown in for good measure. Actually looks kind of fun.
I also remember how I once talked to my brother about how a zombie-survival game would be cool with MGSV's gameplay. Kinda weird how it's actually happening, but whether or not it actually is good remains to be seen. Thoughts?
I'm willing to give it a chance...it seems like it's so bizarre it could work.
But the cynic in me is thinking that this is Konami just spit-balling ideas to keep one of their flagship series out of limbo, and with a dying gaming trend at that. (Wait...are zombies still popular? I'm assuming that zombies hit their saturation point a long time ago, but...I don't know.)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on September 19, 2016, 02:42:09 PM
I'm willing to give it a chance...it seems like it's so bizarre it could work.
But the cynic in me is thinking that this is Konami just spit-balling ideas to keep one of their flagship series out of limbo, and with a dying gaming trend at that. (Wait...are zombies still popular? I'm assuming that zombies hit their saturation point a long time ago, but...I don't know.)
Well, this year, we got (and upcoming): -Metal Gear: Survive -Resident Evil 7 (probably zombies?) -Dead Rising 4 -Dead Rising Remastered Collection -Dead Island 2 (supposedly this year?) -Days Gone -The Walking Dead: Season Three -State of Decay 2
...soooo I'd say that zombies are still going strong, I guess. How much was there in 2015?
The game looks pretty good though. Konami confirmed it won't be full-price at release, so I'm guessing somewhere in the $30-40 USD range. Hopefully more toward the 30 and not the 40.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: JR on September 20, 2016, 05:52:41 AM
Yeah, I guess there will always be zombie games no matter what...I know the entertainment industry as a whole went crazy with them for a good several years.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: TheTextGuy on September 20, 2016, 03:03:29 PM
Zombies... they never stay dead. No matter how many times you try and kill them, they just keep coming. With that, is Metal Gear officially a franchise zombie now, or has it been like that for a while?
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on September 20, 2016, 03:45:27 PM
Zombies... they never stay dead. No matter how many times you try and kill them, they just keep coming. With that, is Metal Gear officially a franchise zombie now, or has it been like that for a while?
There were minor things like zombies in MGS4 and V, but they were very miniscule and more akin to people going ape-shit from their nanomachines than actual zombies.
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OHHHHH I GET IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY METAL GEAR IS DEAD NOW. ZOMBIES. That joke was intentional, right?
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: TheTextGuy on September 20, 2016, 10:49:40 PM
OHHHHH I GET IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY METAL GEAR IS DEAD NOW. ZOMBIES. That joke was intentional, right?
Yeah, it was a jab at how Konami won't let the Metal Gear franchise die (because money) and the fact that there's many games with zombies coming out as you pointed out.
Well, this year, we got (and upcoming): -Metal Gear: Survive -Resident Evil 7 (probably zombies?) -Dead Rising 4 -Dead Rising Remastered Collection -Dead Island 2 (supposedly this year?) -Days Gone -The Walking Dead: Season Three
...soooo I'd say that zombies are still going strong, I guess. How much was there in 2015?
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Claimh Solais on September 20, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
Somehow my post got messed up. State of Decay 2 was supposed to be on that list but somehow wound up at the bottom of the post. Fixed it now. Also pointing out that yeah, we're getting a lot of zombie games.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Flame on October 07, 2016, 02:06:39 PM
that Konami has said they will not interfere with the release of Lecarde Chronicles 2 makes me feel that they do care about the CV fan base after all. And whether or not they plan to make another 2dvania themselves, they are choosing to let the fans have one by not cancelling LC2.
I dunno, most videogame developers dont really care about fan games. Even Capcom at it's worst still officially endorsed and technically published, a fan game.
It's really only Nintendo that are assholes with their Ip and protect them harder than Disney even. So Konami allowing a fangame to exist doesnt really mean anything. To most devs, a fangame means continued interest in them and their games, any publicity is good publicity as they say.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: X on October 07, 2016, 02:32:31 PM
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It's really only Nintendo that are assholes with their Ip and protect them harder than Disney even.
Has Nintendo not heard of Super Mario Crossover? I'm surprised a C&D hasn't hit the developers yet.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Survive
Post by: Briraka on October 08, 2016, 08:47:10 PM
Crossover fan games would be harder to take down on account that they feature other companies IPs. If Nintendo wanted to shut down something like Super Mario Crossover, they'd have to get Konami, Capcom, etc. to all file C&D against it.