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Re: CAN the same be said of all religions?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2013, 07:14:58 PM »
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Yes. Yes, it can.
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Re: CAN the same be said of all religions?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2013, 07:36:43 PM »
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Richter: Tribute!?! You steal men's souls, and make them your slaves!
Dracula: Perhaps the same could be said of all religions...

So we have this:

Base:
1-Dracula steal men's souls, and make them your slaves.
2-Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.
3-Religion worship gods.
4-Therefore Dracula is a god.


With that we can go ahead...

God is in everyone's hearts.
So...
Dracula is in Richter's heart.


Richter says "All I'm here for is you." in the PSP version so the final result is:

Richter loves Dracula.
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Re: CAN the same be said of all religions?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2013, 08:41:45 PM »
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Religion is a two sided coin, as demonstrated in the Book of Eli, the faith in core is good, but religion itself can easily control people as the church did in Europe for over 1000 years, not to mention the radicalists that are giving the Islamic faith a horrible name as to the countless hypocrites of Christianity on US soil, which is a common reason the rest of the world hates the US.

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Re: CAN the same be said of all religions?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2013, 05:26:34 AM »
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Fan Translation:
Richter Belmont: Begone! This world is not meant for the likes of you!
Dracula Vlad Tepes: My own powers did not bring about my resurrection. It was greed, the greed of you men which summoned me back. And is justice not defined by the mighty?
Richter Belmont: Such a selfish claim! Humanity is guided by our shared principles. We only want to come together, and move forward.
Dracula Vlad Tepes: Oh, but the truth is that humanity also bears burgeoning desires within them, which leads them to submit to their religious creeds, yes?
Richter Belmont: Mere power is not what leads mankind. Respect and generosity: these are what truly guide humanity!
Dracula Vlad Tepes: Preposterous. Which one of our claims is true? I shall give you the answer, along with death's embrace!


If I recall the japanese script from memory, I would go for this fan translation.

As for my view on the topic, we have one (Drac) who believes in the evil capacity of humans, while the other (Richter) believes in the good side of humans. I'd say, both have a point.

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Re: CAN the same be said of all religions?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2013, 06:50:01 AM »
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If I recall the japanese script from memory, I would go for this fan translation.

As for my view on the topic, we have one (Drac) who believes in the evil capacity of humans, while the other (Richter) believes in the good side of humans. I'd say, both have a point.
That's fair. It just proves that there is no real black or white. Just varying shades of grey. No one is purely good nor is anyone purely evil. We have capacity for both.
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Re: CAN the same be said of all religions?
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2013, 11:58:54 PM »
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People flock to the religions that promise to satisfy their deepest desires. You can argue that so-and-so follows a religion even though it's clearly not conforming to so-and-so's desires, but what do you know of so-and-so's desires? Regardless, if I remember OoE right, they go back to this little spat. Drac is just a tool -- certain parties have turned to him as a messiah for them. His powers and abilities while not directly affecting his "believers" still convince them that D can satisfy their deepest desires. In that way he has become the focus of a burgeoning religion. Richter seems to imply that D is pulling the strings, but D is saying -- and this was recapped in OoE I think -- that he wanted no part of the foolish religion, but since the role has been cast upon him he will take up the mantle. In essence, he's the antithesis to Brian from Monty Python's "The Life Of Brian". Whereas Brian was adopted as a messiah and tried to avoid it, D accepted the role but chose to wield the responsibility his followers endowed upon him in his own way rather than what they mayhaps hoped for. So he's saying, "I'm just here, summoning demons, minding my own business. Don't come running to me looking for someone to blame; look around you if you ever leave the castle alive." Dracula was specifically summoned by cultists (Templars?) when Richter confronted him, so his claim is valid and Richter is thus the instigator and misguided antagonist in this situation.
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