Topic: Did you notice?

[Alexc2808]

In Reply To #30
Yes it does make sense.  And the reason it rules them out is because there is no way the best warrior in an area would be female, when every attribute of warriors is something that males naturally exceed in.  Now, if the mission were to settle the problem with compassion and understanding, a woman would be far better suited to the task than a man. Suspension of disbelief.  I've already clarified my point probably 5 times, and you don't even reply to it.  People just keep saying the same thing.

[A n t r a x x]

From Wikipedia:

Suspension of disbelief is an aesthetic theory intended to characterize people's relationships to art. It was coined by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge in 1817. It refers to the willingness of a person to accept as true the premises of a work of fiction, even if they are fantastic or impossible. It also refers to the willingness of the audience to overlook the limitations of a medium, so that these do not interfere with the acceptance of those premises. According to the theory, suspension of disbelief is a quid pro quo: the audience tacitly agrees to provisionally suspend their judgment in exchange for the promise of entertainment.

Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?! So why don't you just shut up about it already.

Why don't you just use suspension of disbelief the next time you feel threatened by a woman's prescence as a warrior in a work of fiction. Again, if you can accept a flying Medusa Head, it should be no problem to accept the former.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

In Reply To #31

The problem is, that's not a rule that needs to be abided by in a videogame at all.  You're attempting to use genetics to explain sociological gender roles.

The line blurs a bit too much for others when it comes to the fantasy realms of video games.  It seems it's pretty cut 'n dry for you, though.  And that's a matter of opinion since no one can settle video game laws and rules except the developers.  If they want the warrior to be the best and female, all they have to do is design it that way, and there go your rules out the window.

[Alexc2808]

In Reply To #32
Stop putting words in my mouth.  i never said I was offended by it.  I have made it as clear as possible that I just prefer a male in the role because it makes far more sense, vampires or not.  And according to you antraxx it would be ok if a duck was the main character in cv because some people could except it for the sake of a game.

Exactly Jorge( I even pointed this out with Sophitia), I don't know how to make it any clearer that this is just my preferance, and I was simply giving the vast amount of reasons for this.  People are far to quick to jump and scream sexist in todays world.  I don't think men are any better than women, or vice versa... I'm not a sexist.

[erimocard]

We need a "suspension of disbelief"-counter. I would make one, but I'm too lazy.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

In Reply To #34

I don't think you're sexist... but I do think you have a rather rigid rationale for "Suspension of Disbelief".

I ran into a similar argument just a few days ago.  If I may draw the anecdote:

I told someone I did not dig Naruto because my idea of what a "Ninja" is, and the connotations brought about by "Bright Orange Jumpsuit and Blonde Hair" are far too extreme of opposites for me to take seriously as a Ninja Anime.

He countered that in an anime where people are having all sorts of gnarly powers, the barrier of suspension of disbelief is pretty much shattered from the start.  Then he countered that I have no problem with doublejumping superflying characters in Castlevania... ...it did not go well from there on down.  Let's just say the guy calls me a "Christian" now for some reason.  Something about logic and my not abiding by it, etc.  No biggie.

So yeah, I think there's some things we can all tolerate in some media, while not in others.  I can't see people doublejumping without it being explained away somehow, if it were, say, a movie, but I can see it in a game.  You cannot see a supreme champion warrior being female unless it's possibly explained away somehow (Steroids? lol I kid, I kid).

I will say that I can easily see a female warrior.  But hey, we're all different people.  You explained your rationale and, while it makes sense in this reality, in videogame reality it would take a bit for you to get accustomed to it.

[CastleToastM]

In Reply To #36

But it would be crazy if all of a sudden you saw some guy walking down a street all of a sudden perform a double, or super jump.

But as far as video games go, anything, I say anything, can go. Alex's points may apply to real life, but video games are as real to real life as cartoons are.

[Alexc2808]

In Reply To #37
Believe it or not... suspension of disbelief rarely applies to reality.  :

[Kale]

In Reply To #38

Why are you bringing real life statistics into a work of fiction. I don't see how you can suspend beliefs in medusa heads flying around, but not suspend the belief of a woman warrior, which is BY FAR more probable.

[Alexc2808]

In Reply To #39
The most important thing about suspension of dis-belief is that you should only have to apply it to a few things.  Allowing yourself to accept monsters covers madusa, dracula, wolf man, fank etc...

This is why a lot of movies fail (Van Helsing is a prime example of this).  When you start having to accept multiple things it gets to a point that is to much.  Just because you accept Medusa doesn't mean anything goes.  By your argument it would be okay to have Mickey Mouse storm the gates of Castlevania, i mean it's already not the real world.  :

[Kale]

In Reply To #40

It would be okay, cept for the fact that the story would probably suck. Since mickey mouse is a happy do good type of character. Unless you change him, then it wouldn't be mickey mouse any more. Having a different sex for a character does not alter the story in that fashion.

[Alexc2808]

In Reply To #41
Saying it would be ok for mickey mouse, even citing it would be a bad story really makes your opinion on this matter very very questionable.

Seriously, just because it is fantasy does not mean anything goes.

[Kale]

In Reply To #42

I never said anything goes, that's why I think Mickey Mouse would do poorly. But I don't understand how you think changing a person's sex will be such a dramatic change like Mickey Mouse, since you obviously think so by referencing that its the same.

[Alexc2808]

In Reply To #43
I did not say it was the same, I said by the logic you were bringing up you could have mickey mouse as the hero.  Because your argument was that this is fantasy and has medusa, so how could anything not fit.

[warfreak]

It's not about just anything not fitting. It's about a female warrior. Is that so far-fetched? Female warriors actually exist, despite the fact that they are more often than not weaker than males that had the same training. "Special" female warriors in games, stronger then men, are not far-fetched at all.