Topic: Where is Dracula's ROOM?

[fallenangel86]

Reinhart77, there's no way trevor went after drac before lisa died, and he started his war on humanity. it brings about questions for all the protagonists reasoning for going after him. what reason would sypha have to go after him, what reason would alucard have to stop him, why did he wipe out grants clan, and why did the church seek trevor?

CapComMDb, going by the fact that lament of innocence is the canonical origin, dracula has absolutely nothing to do with vlad at all.

[Mathias Hyperion]

On the topic of the castle, do we think that Castlevania (ie. Dracula's castle in the majority of the games) is the same as Walter's castle seen in Lament of Innocence?

FOR: LoI's castle seems to have the same impossible castle keep (I haven't got that far myself). It is also similar to Dawn of Sorrow's castle (remember that it's a replica of Castlevania, which must have been pretty difficult considering that Castlevania is always changing): Anti-Soul Mysteries Lab = Wizardry Lab, Garden Forgotten by Time = Garden of Madness, and there's a picture of Walter's castle on the DoS title screen (isn't there?).

AGAINST: Walter's castle seems to be more your standard mediaeval castle with a moat. It's not quite the insanely structured Gothic creature we see in later games.

[Reinhart77]

In Reply To #16

Oh gosh, I accidentally said Trevor when I meant to say Isaac...  It just sounds so much like Hector I guess.  I've been accidentally referring to Trevor as Richter all the time too...

Also, speaking of the Castle bathroom, Curse of Darkness did have a "western toilet" in it as a joke, though I think it was just out in the woods or someplace like that.  I guess having sewage systems is the closest we're going to get to an actual bathroom.

[Omegasigma]

once again if i see enough interest in these finer details, i'll see what i can come up with, lol but since the castle would change, i double the undead would need a bathroom, so drac likely had it removed, as for the loi/does castle its the exact same image, castle layout tho, completely different i beleive its cause they were working on both games at the same time

[CapComMDb]

CapComMDb, going by the fact that lament of innocence is the canonical origin, dracula has absolutely nothing to do with vlad at all.

Well, of course LoI is where it starts But either Casltevania has to completely ignore the historical Vlad III and say 'he just doesn't exist in this universe' or count him as a contemporary to Dracula. The games never touch that much on history and were really just originally drawn from the legend of Dracula as forwarded by Bram Stoker (who honestly didn't know much of the historical Dracula to begin with!). Castlevania III gets the closest by taking place the same year Vlad III was killed - and in the same geographical region. Ergo, unless you cut him out of history altogether, Vlad III and Drac had to have been within a hundred miles of each other.

i doubt the undead would need a bathroom

Wouldn't Shaft have needed one? Or maybe he lives on mana... Anyway, I'd assume you'd have to have some sort of waste disposal system, considering all the food that's stuck in the castle's walls... And all the zombie upchucking...

[Mathias Hyperion]

In Reply To #20

It's interesting that if you put Mathias Cronqvist and Vlad Tepes together, you pretty much get Stoker's Dracula. Stoker claims that Dracula is a Szekely - while Vlad was a Vlach we don't know what ethnicity Mathias is (and although he might be Swedish, he could very well be Szekely) - and that he was an alchemist who studied the Devil's secrets at the Scholomance (apart from the fact that Mathias was a Christian, it's still possible that he attended a school of alchemy given his family's affinity for the subject).

From Mathias we get the alchemy, and from Vlad we get things such as "that Voivode Dracula" and the brother who "sold his people to the Turk and brought the curse of slavery upon them".

So
(Mathias + Vlad) - details conflicting with Stoker = Stoker's Dracula

EDIT: I just noticed something on a YouTube video. At the end of Simon's Quest, when Simon is at Dracula's grave, the tombstone says "Dracula 1431-76" (the years of birth and death of Vlad Tepes). Guess IGA is ignoring that.

[CapComMDb]

Interesting!

apart from the fact that Mathias was a Christian, it's still possible that he attended a school of alchemy given his family's affinity for the subject

Alchemy wasn't considered Devil's work that early in the Middle Ages (that came later) - interesting note that there were also two different kinds of alchemy.

The first kind, or physical alchemy, is what we normally think of - transmuting one object physically into another (i.e. lead to gold). When used for purposes like greed, it's considered sinful.

The second kind, or spiritual alchemy, is essentially where you refine your spirit to become closer to God. Essentially, the True Philosopher's Stone isn't something that turns lead into gold, but is Christ. This is also related closely to the Great Chain of Being, where each animal, vegetable, and mineral (and men and angels!) is on a hierarchical scale based on their closeness to God. So something like a slug would be at the bottom of the scale while the lion, which was considered very noble, would be at the top.

Geoffrey Chaucer talks about both in the Canterbury Tales.

[Mathias Hyperion]

That is very interesting.

I've never read Chaucer - negligence on my part.