Topic: NITM is still better than SOTN!

[Saner]

best character select screen too!

yeah it has its technicalities but overall much better in
many aspects.   also thankfully, the NITM team were not sexist like IGA's team was.

yeah I know DXC also has Maria playable in the SOTN included. but it's so hard to search for PSP SOTN related stuff without ending up with DXC (Rondo Remake) media instead.   and there isn't even a walkthrough of PSP SOTN Maria.  but I still say Saturn Maria is more hardcore.  and I like the expansions of the castle.

[Thunderbrand]

I certainly don't disagree, put it that way. NitM dosen't always quite run as smooth as SotN, but it's not that big of a problem really. The added areas, music, enemies and items make it worth it, plus the option to play as any character right off the bat.

[Profbeanburrito]

In Reply To #1

I hate it, I think it's awful. The two new areas aren't even worth it. All the enemies there look like trash. The music isn't anything special. All the effects look trashy. And playing as Maria in the PSP version is so much better than Maria in NitM.
Oh, and Richter's other outfit looks like crap.

I think that game is trash, and I'll take the PSX version over it any day

[Dark Nemesis]

For me DXC Maria has better design, but NITM for me is far better in combat and movement terms. Also the extra stuffs they might not be something big, but they are still welcome from me. I woyld like DXC SOTN to be like the NITM but with fixed the technical problems and the extra stages and enemies having the same quality as the rest of the game. That would have been the ultimate SOTN.

[DragonSlayr81]

In Reply To #1

I roll my eyes a million times! : : : : :

[Thomas Belmont]

In Reply To #1

Yeah, Iga is real sexist. That's why he worked very closely with Ayami Kojima and the woman who did the music for many of his games, I for got her name. And that's why he had Shanoa be the main character in OoE. I bet you're one of those white people who go ape shit if somebody makes a derogatory comment about a minority.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

In Reply To #3

To be fair, I think the areas were supposed to have been in the game in the first place.  They were just finally added in the Saturn version.  The PSX version even has the hidden floor tile that takes you down there.

But yeah they aren't that memorable.

As for Maria... really dude?  I like playing as Maria in the Saturn version far more.  She's got a huge arsenal of moves, a triple jump... while the PSP version just has basically Rondo Maria all-grown-up (same powers).

It is quite nice to select the characters from the get-go... but yeah Richter's alt-costume is hodge-podge.

Other problems are Saturn-exclusive limitations (the loading times, the dithering, the different speed).

Over all it's just 'different'.  I can definitely play the crap out of that game on my emulator though.  The music quality is higher than the PSX's XA audio too.

I wouldn't call it 'trash' though.  Still a solid title.

[Clara E. Leet]

In Reply To #1

Yeah, Iga is real sexist. That's why he worked very closely with Ayami Kojima and the woman who did the music for many of his games, I for got her name. And that's why he had Shanoa be the main character in OoE. I bet you're one of those white people who go ape shit if somebody makes a derogatory comment about a minority.

That last comment was not necessary at all. Keep the flames out of this.

[PFG9000]

I get annoyed when people refer to Nocturne in the Moonlight as if it's a name exclusive to the Saturn version.  You know the PSX version was called NitM in Japan too, right?

That's all I've got to contribute.  I have the Saturn version, but I don't have a Saturn to play it on.  Never got the emu working either. 

[DragonSlayr81]

In Reply To #9

I agree. Same name either way, even though it's different. Though what annoys me more is when people try to say the PSX SotN is NOT NitM. Same game. That's like saying Portrait of Ruin is not Gallery of Labyrinth.

[Gunlord]

I think it would have been nice to have those hidden areas in the PSP version too, though...just for completion, unyuu~!

[Saner]

I call it NITM because it's easier to reference that way since USA Saturn never got it.  it remained as a Japanese exclusive.   as such, the Saturn version should be called NITM instead of SOTN since it wasn't localized.

In Reply To #1

Yeah, Iga is real sexist. That's why he worked very closely with Ayami Kojima and the woman who did the music for many of his games, I for got her name. And that's why he had Shanoa be the main character in OoE. I bet you're one of those white people who go ape shit if somebody makes a derogatory comment about a minority.

He only worked with those women because they have the talents he needs to make his games better.   He only valued their talents above all else.  Of course he respected them, but storywise and game concept wise, IGA never liked females as the lead role. 

He is sexist in the sense that he believes females should not match or exceed what the hero guys accomplish in the Castlevania games. 

That's why he removed Sonia Belmont from the timeline instead of making Lament of Innocence a remake of her GB game.  That's why he made the "first" Belmont in the timeline a guy instead, when Castlevania Legends already
established the first Belmont.

*****OOE spoilers******

That's why he crafted Order of Ecclesia's story and finale
so that Shanoa's efforts are never recorded and left forgotten by history.    And the only reason OOE's main character was female, was because the artist hired to do the character designs preferred drawing females.  And IGA let him make the lead a female character, so that the artist's work morale would be as good as possible.   But overall, IGA really didn't care whether there was a female as the lead character in a main Castlevania or not.   

He just let things pass because team morale is more important than his own rejection of female leads.

That's why SOTN on PSX didn't have Maria playable. not because of time constraints but also because Maria was never one of the priorities to IGA.   

well yeah in Portrait of Ruin, there was some sort of equality, but anyone can tell you that he made the guy the lead role with the girl as the "sidekick".  Why not have Charlotte be the Morris whip wielder and Jonathan the Aulin magic user?   IGA watches too many westerns....

[Profbeanburrito]

He only worked with those women because they have the talents he needs to make his games better.

[Clara E. Leet]

In Reply To #13

All of that is fan speculation. Nowhere in the game does it say that Alucard is the father of her baby. Why the fuck won't people get that through their heads.

[Saner]

even if that were true, there was no reason for IGA to remove Sonia Belmont, the original first Belmont in the timeline and the first to use the Vampire Killer.

if Alucard's involvement conflicted things in anyway, he could have just removed Alucard from Legends' story until Trevor faces him in Castlevania III.