Topic: Dracula Reincarnation

[Redem]

You know I've been wondering how come Soma Cruz was born in 2017 if Dracula "died" in 1999 wouldn't as the re-incarnation of his soul basicly would have he been born at the time at the time he died (or maybe re-incarnation isn't instantenous)

But I must say a pet theory of mine is that there was someone like Soma Cruz who was born in 1999 but became mad with power and ended up slayed in 2017

[corneliab]

(or maybe re-incarnation isn't instantenous)

This is quite obviously the case here. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

But I must say a pet theory of mine is that there was someone like Soma Cruz who was born in 1999 but became mad with power and ended up slayed in 2017

This is a terrible, groundless theory that's clearly contradicted by both Sorrow games. If they wanted to allude to Soma not being Dracula, they wouldn't have heavily based both games on him, you know, BEING DRACULA.

[PFG9000]

It's actually a pretty good question.  I brought it up awhile back, and nobody had a good answer.  Graham, Dario, and Dmitri were all born at the time of Drac's death, and so they are all candidates for being the new dark lord.  But Soma was born years later, and somehow he actually did inherit Drac's soul?  I think Redem's second explanation is actually the more plausible one, except Julius and Alucard didn't mention a thing about having fought anybody else prior to Soma's birth.

[Redem]

Well I have to admit the idea that there is somehow an in-between pure speculation from my part

And that theory still state that Soma Cruz is the re-incarnation of Dracula, just not a direct one, there was another person who was born in 1999 with the soul of Dracula but who died at the moment of Soma birth making Soma a reincarnation of both that person and Dracula, but all three share the same soul

Thought one reason I've thought as why Soma was born in 2017 was that he and mina (with her as reincarnation of Elisabetha) were bound to be together and this somehow couldn't have happen if he had been born in 1999 *shrug*

As for Julius well wasn't he was amnesiac after 1999 so maybe they just left him as for Alucard, I can see him not being the kind to mention such a thing (or maybe he wasn't involve in this at all)

[shelverton.]

Well, Dracula's castle was lost in some eclipse/thing in 1999 and reappeard in 2035 (right?), so Dracula's "spirit" may have been floating around looking for a perfect candidate or something. It took him 18 years to find that special someone. Or something.
I didn't follow the plot of the Sorrow games that closely, so I'm just kinda making stuff up now

[darkwzrd4]

Well, if Soma truly is Dracula's reincarnation, he wouldn't have been born at the moment Dracula was destroyed.  It would take at least nine months.  The difference between Soma and the dark lord's candidates is the they were born at the exact moment Dracula was destroyed and as a result they somehow absorbed some of Dracula's demonic energy which is what gave them their powers.  Soma is different.  He is a true reincarnation.  Same soul, different lifetime.  So, as with all people, he has not "conscious" memories of his past life.  In other words, he is Dracula and he isn't.

I believe that even if he becomes the dark lord, he won't turn into Dracula.  He will merely have all of Dracula's powers and be the ultimate evil.  I doubt he will have access to the memories of his past life's battles against the Belmonts.

[VGuyver]

reincarnation doesn't always work like that. Although in most cases in many religions such as Buddhism, it's an almost immediate transfer.But at times, it can take years for a soul to be "Cleansed" and reborn and erased of it's past influences. Heck, according to Buddhist sects, a Soul splits into two separate new bodies if it's that special or strong a spirit.

[Koutei]

1999 Total eclipse Europe

2017 Total eclipse North America

2035 Total eclipse Japan

[angevil]

reincarnation doesn't always work like that

Ohh, I laughed at this so much Like reincarnation was real anyway, LOL

[Inccubus]

Despite your skepticism, there are those that believe in reincarnation and have memories of stuff they shouldn't know.
Regardless of this, CV is a work of fiction and can interpret and use reincarnation in any way the writers wish.

What is actually stated in the games is that Soma is Dracula's reincarnation and that Graham only assumed he was. Also it is stated that Dario & Dmitrii are dark lord candidates and were born in 1999. This only hints at Graham being a D L candidate as it is never stated outright. What the games fail to expound upon is the reason why all the D L candidates seem to be born at the time of Dracula's ultimate end. What seems to be a more clear connection between the D L candidates is the coincidence of Castlevania being sealed away. From here it is all speculation. I like the idea of them having absorbed some of CV's dark power.

[VGuyver]

I suspect Dark Candidates were a result of that uncontrolled evil energy left behind after Dracula's demise. So upon his death, most of his evil was sealed away except for his castle' in the eclipse. Even though the Demon castle (That's the real name of Dracula's castle.) is sealed in the moon's eclipse, it is none the less still unleashing and leaking evil (think about the past games, before his return, evil slowly creeps up again because of the castle), but to a much minor degree now that it's trapped up there. I think the Castle is the source of power of the Dark Candidates, attracted to their own evil hearts. Sorta like it's calling for a new Master, much like it called for Soma.

@koutei Reincarnation is taken seriously by many religions and cults, including Christianity, Judaism, and even some Wicks. Also, some scientists are fascinated with it themselves because there has been evidence of such things occurring. There has also been a discoveries related to telepathy. Overall, it's up to an individual to judge in what they believe, but don't laugh at persons face who does believe it, you don't want to insult people unintentionally.

 Also, I will explain the biggest reason people can't seem remember past lives, even if you are reincarnated in a new body. If you are a newborn child, all those memories will most likely fade and disappear. A baby's brain is not a fully functioning brain in that it's incapable of remembering most things it encounters, and it depends on short term memory. So when you have a lifetime's worth of memories, they will simply fade within the course of a year or two in a newborn. However, this doesn't always turn out the case. A few people have remarkable long term memories. People like me can remember as  young as the age of 2 very clearly (though I do have at least one memory of when I was a newborn, which is also rare, but not really that clear.) While other have shown themselves capable of remembering some alarming details on their youngest age, such as actually coming out of the womb.

[Inccubus]

But doesn't Dawn take place in a completely different castle? I think the chaos that powers the original Demon Castle / Castlevania is what is calling the dark lord candidates directly. The castle is just an incarnation of that power.

[shelverton.]

If you are a newborn child, all those memories will most likely fade and disappear. A baby's brain is not a fully functioning brain in that it's incapable of remembering most things it encounters, and it depends on short term memory. So when you have a lifetime's worth of memories, they will simply fade within the course of a year or two in a newborn. However, this doesn't always turn out the case. A few people have remarkable long term memories. People like me can remember as  young as the age of 2 very clearly (though I do have at least one memory of when I was a newborn, which is also rare, but not really that clear.) While other have shown themselves capable of remembering some alarming details on their youngest age, such as actually coming out of the womb.

Sometimes I wonder why some newborn babies scream and cry so much, often for no apparent reason. Like they're miserable or frustrated. Maybe babies can remember all these things from their previous life but are unable to speak, which must be so traumatizing that they eventually repress it..sorta. That's my take on this.
Dunno.

[Redem]

Sometimes I wonder why some newborn babies scream and cry so much, often for no apparent reason. Like they're miserable or frustrated. Maybe babies can remember all these things from their previous life but are unable to speak, which must be so traumatizing that they eventually repress it..sorta. That's my take on this.
Dunno.

Oh I think birth must be traumatic enough (just consider the difference between what a baby experience in the womb and what it goes through getting out and where we end up in the end) in itself to make anyone cries regardless of wheterer or not we reincarnate 

[darkwzrd4]

But doesn't Dawn take place in a completely different castle? I think the chaos that powers the original Demon Castle / Castlevania is what is calling the dark lord candidates directly. The castle is just an incarnation of that power.

Yes, the castle in DoS is a replica of the Demon Castle, but it is connected to the "abyss" (probably Hell) which "fuels" its existance.  However, that is irrelevant.  If I remember correctly, Dario, Demitri, and even Graham were born at the exact moment Dracula was completely destroyed.  I believe that it is said that because of that, the three of them received dark powers either from Dracula being completely destroyed or by the castle being sealed.  Thus, they has a connection to Dracula and/or the castle which makes it possible for them to asend to the throne unless some one with a closer connection to Dracula comes along.  The only people with stronger connections to Dracula are Alucard (through blood) and Soma (Dracula's reincarnation).