Topic: The Bandwagon

[uzo]

I thought this was a Castlevania thread, within a Castlevania Discussion section, on a Castlevania forum.

[Kale]

I thought this was a Castlevania thread, within a Castlevania Discussion section, on a Castlevania forum.

Yes... and you'd expect a post that would add to the thread instead of just condemning other people.

Sides, it's on teh subject of bandwagon of CV, this is just talking another bandwagon. It'll eventually go back to CV.

[shelverton.]

I think newbies and veterans can be equally annoying. If someone comes in here acting like LoS was the first Castlevania ever, or the only Castlevania worth playing I would be annoyed, sure. But the very same thing happens everytime a "hardcore fan" comes here saying that every Castlevania post SotN sucks. I honestly don't know which one I dislike the most... I mean, everyone has the right to their own opinion, but many of them claim that they know what's a "real" Castlevania and what isn't. Like someone already say, Castlevania is many different things and is constantly changing.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I'll take Super Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse, Super Castlevania IV, and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
Those are the cream of the crop, in all three variations of the formula.

EDIT:
I just thought of something.

Perhaps Konami (or maybe Iga?) is staying away from remaking Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse, the same way that Square-Enix is staying away from remaking Final Fantasy VI.  They're both top-notch games that carry a bit of a legacy to them, and perhaps they do not want to tarnish the memory of such games unless they take great care of it.

By this logic, Final Fantasy VII and Symphony of the Night are the "Cheap hooker" version.  Yes, they're damn hot and awesome, but they've spent many games trying recapture that same feeling... and not quite reaching it.

Then again, maybe these are just my musings.  Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[DragonSlayr81]

That's really interesting you brought up the comparisons. They seem right on the money. After FFVII, Square tried to re-capture the "spirit" of that game by making FF MORE cinematic and MORE story-driven(with the exception of the MMORPG FFs, like FFXI and FFXIV), and because of that, we got FFXIII, which many have complained about as being too linear and lacking the amount of exploration seen in earlier titles. SotN's similar, the catalyst to whoring out the castletroid formula, and even though both were probably in good intentions(FF's cinematic ideas and CV's working of the castletroid formula), they never struck the effect that hoped for. Hell, the FFVII compilations, hoping to draw interest in FFVII's world once again, was totally lackluster. Crisis Core was probably the best game of the compilation, yet is still extremely lackluster to most other games in general.

Interestingly enough, both games(SotN and FFVII) came out in 1997. 

[crisis]

I'll take Super Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse, Super Castlevania IV, and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
Those are the cream of the crop, in all three variations of the formula.

If I was trapped on an island, i'd take only those games with me.

Super Castlevania III sounds awesome by the way =D

[Kale]

I think newbies and veterans can be equally annoying. If someone comes in here acting like LoS was the first Castlevania ever, or the only Castlevania worth playing I would be annoyed, sure. But the very same thing happens everytime a "hardcore fan" comes here saying that every Castlevania post SotN sucks. I honestly don't know which one I dislike the most... I mean, everyone has the right to their own opinion, but many of them claim that they know what's a "real" Castlevania and what isn't. Like someone already say, Castlevania is many different things and is constantly changing.

That's indeed true... a real fan would accept what's good and what's bad... and have reason for it.

Reply to #33

Yea, those are favorites as well... and I guess I can agree with your assessment... but I doubt they think that highly of FF6. FF7 is their bread and butter and they tried to milk it for all it's worth. Some of the game's spinoff were pretty decent though, from what I've heard. Not awesome by any means, but decent... and maybe even awesome for the "hardcore" fans of FF7. But I think they would've done a fine job if they follow through with that awesome tech demo of FF7 into a real game. I mean, even I wanted more and I'm not even a big fan of FF7. (though I'd be even more hooked if it were my fav ffs)

However, FF6 and the games before it are just getting small remakes/ports to spur on what little known fans of those games. So, I doubt they'll try much more on them.

Iga might be avoiding them because he wants a game completely of his own that is viewed as awesome as CV3 or SotN. Because if he remakes those, it's would seem that it's all based on how the fans think of the games and wil buy it for that rather than it's a cv game he made. Like riding a wave, rather than making his own.

[shelverton.]

I think at this point in time, a remade Dracula's Curse just wouldn't sell very well.. dunno, it's just a feeling I have. I think that's why it's not coming. If Konami ever decides to remake it, they're probably gonna use pretty much the same engine and graphics found in The Adventure Rebirth. I could do without that.

Speaking of the Final Fantasy remakes, I'm playing Final Fantasy 4 on the DS as we speak. The remake is pretty faithful, but the graphical overhaul is really ambitious, if somewhat rough. I don't necessarily like it, but at least it's not just a quick cash-in. Game is much harder than the original too. I keep dying on some of the bosses a lot Final Fantasy 6 is my favourite in the series but I don't know if I wanna see it remade in this style... I think the original looked pretty darned perfect the way it was. Dunno. I'm getting more and more sceptical about remakes. I didn't like what Capcom did with Mega Man Maverick Hunter X, nor did I care for Mega Man Powered Up either.

[Kale]

I loved Maverick Hunter X. I was really hoping for more but nothing! The anime cutscenes and stuff though, I can do without. Game was awesome though. I'd rather a console remake though.

[shelverton.]

My main problem with Maverick Hunter X was the remixed music and the annoyingly loud footstep sfx. More importantly, the controls weren't nearly as good as in the SNES original. I blame the PSP for that though, not Capcom. Or maybe I just sucked at playing, dunno. Other than that, it was faithful enough, but the SNES version... omg that game is effin sex in my book. 

[Dremn]

Castlevania Legends remake would be nice, something to fit into canon at least.

[crisis]

screw Legends, Resurrection all the way!

[DragonSlayr81]

That's some hideous character designs. Considering how hot Sonia was in anime form, human version just didn't do her justice.

[Kale]

That's some hideous character designs. Considering how hot Sonia was in anime form, human version just didn't do her justice.

So agree here!

Not to mention the story sounded stupid as hell. Renegade belmot goes rogue and becomes a mercenary while someone summons Sonia from the past to help with the vampire threat ...? >.>

[DragonSlayr81]

The thing I found stupid was the whole, "A time when there was no Belmont, so a Belmont of the past and a Belmont of the future were mysteriously PULLED from their own respected times by the forces of balance, or some shit like that, into a decade or so BEFORE Simon Belmont". Well, obviously a Belmont HAD to have been in existence during that time considering that Simon had to come from SOMEWHERE, as well as had there NEVER been a Belmont, then Victor would've never existed either. It seemed like sloppy time traveling crap. I mean, they did something like that with Judgement, and nobody takes that game seriously. But that wasn't a REAL CV game to begin with. This was was to be more traditional, yet, urgh.... WHY!?! Why resort to the horrid "time travel" plot?! Why couldn't they just set the game prior to Simon, like it was set already, and have the main characters twin brother and sister Belmonts. By that, you have a guy AND a girl, and you can do what the hell you want with that. Or, just go for it and set it back in Sonia's time. How many things have been RUINED by time travel done wrong? It's like the Resurrection team just got done playing Chrono Trigger and said, "There's some cool things in this game, particularly time travel and some 'entity' that brings heroes together. Let's apply that to Castlevania!!". Some ideas in the world are NEVER good. For instance, MTV's reimagining of Rocky Horror Picture Show is another. I mean, a hip hop version of the Time Warp? Who ever thought that one up(some executive twat) should be strung up by their pinky toes!