Topic: IGA --Le Requiem?

[Nagumo]

The whole "Belmont's can't use the whip because Richter was corrupted" thing is just dumb. Soliyeu was corrupted in the same way and they had no problems then. 

That's just fandom. The real reason hasn't been explained yet.     

[crystos]

i think iga can bounce.. i think he's all vania'd out. I'm sure he has other ambitions,how much timEs can he work the SOTN formula?

The new timeline can work in a new version of all the belmonts after this game.

[cecil-kain]

I think alot of people forget that IGA didn't create the "Belmont hero disappears" problem.  That came before IGA, from Bloodlines --a rather awkward attempt to shoehorn Bram Stoker's novel into the evolving canon --which BTW was just fine without it.  Once the Belmont surname became disposable, certain elements of Castlevania needed to be reconciled with the well-established world of Van Helsing, Harker, and Morris...  Things like making Quincy an offshoot Belmont --making the Vampire Killer -dangerous- to anyone without the surname --Richter's mysterious curse that forces the main family into the wilderness till Julius...  and the list goes on and on --in fact I could still point to half a dozen things that haven't been properly reconciled yet...  IMO the biggest mistake IGA made was failing to retcon Bloodlines along with Legends and the CV64s --but DAMN, for all the criticism Portrait gets around here I wonder how any of you might have solved the story-telling problems he made an honest attempt to tackle.  Anyone?

[DragonSlayr81]

That's just fandom. The real reason hasn't been explained yet.

The curse bit IS just fan speculation. The official word is that the Belmonts went into hiding(with no description to why they did this). People think it's Richter because he seemingly WAS the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer before the Belmonts went into hiding. This is proven by the fact that in PoR, the Whip's Memory appears in the form of Richter(Whip's Memory appears in the form of the last Belmont who wielded it).

I think alot of people forget that IGA didn't create the "Belmont hero disappears" problem.  That came before IGA, from Bloodlines --a rather awkward attempt to shoehorn Bram Stoker's novel into the evolving canon --which BTW was just fine without it.  Once the Belmont surname became disposable, certain elements of Castlevania needed to be reconciled with the well-established world of Van Helsing, Harker, and Morris...  Things like making Quincy an offshoot Belmont --making the Vampire Killer -dangerous- to anyone without the surname --Richter's mysterious curse that forces the main family into the wilderness till Julius...  and the list goes on and on --in fact I could still point to half a dozen things that haven't been properly reconciled yet...  IMO the biggest mistake IGA made was failing to retcon Bloodlines along with Legends and the CV64s --but DAMN, for all the criticism Portrait gets around here I wonder how any of you might have solved the story-telling problems he made an honest attempt to tackle.  Anyone?

Yes, IGA didn't create the Belmonts disappearance, just like IGA didn't create the bit about Dracula being an estimated 800 years old in the late 1700s . People critcize him from making Dracula "different" than Vlad the Impaler(How stupid, he's OLDER than the REAL Dracula! That sucks!!) and believe that SotN and LoI brought that bit up first, when it was actually put into canon by RoB(which wasn't written by IGA). The only thing IGA did was attempt at damage control(try to explain why those things are the way they are). He hasn't done so yet withthe whole "Belmonts disappearance", but I think I think it's one of those things he'd feel obligated to getting around to.

[darkwzrd4]

The curse bit IS just fan speculation. The official word is that the Belmonts went into hiding(with no description to why they did this). People think it's Richter because he seemingly WAS the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer before the Belmonts went into hiding. This is proven by the fact that in PoR, the Whip's Memory appears in the form of Richter(Whip's Memory appears in the form of the last Belmont who wielded it).
Yes, IGA didn't create the Belmonts disappearance, just like IGA didn't create the bit about Dracula being an estimated 800 years old in the late 1700s . People critcize him from making Dracula "different" than Vlad the Impaler(How stupid, he's OLDER than the REAL Dracula! That sucks!!) and believe that SotN and LoI brought that bit up first, when it was actually put into canon by RoB(which wasn't written by IGA). The only thing IGA did was attempt at damage control(try to explain why those things are the way they are). He hasn't done so yet withthe whole "Belmonts disappearance", but I think I think it's one of those things he'd feel obligated to getting around to.

Yes, I whole-heartedly agree.  The problems with the overall story aren't really Iga's fault.  His predicesors screwed things up by making Dracula older than Vlad the Impaler (RoB) and by trying to work in Bram Storker's Dracula (Bloodlines).  While he did do a somewhat decent job, he is still criticized because he is currently the one in charge and there are plot wholes even though he isn't the one who created them.  I, as well as others on this forum, applaud him for his attempts at damage controls.  A lot of the plot holes could have been solved simply by removing Bloodlines from the timeline and then saying that in the castlevania universe, Count Dracula Vlad the Impaler were two different individuals.

[uzo]

Recall that in the Radio Drama episodes Richter was still actively hunting and had the whip in its full usage, or so I recall.

[C Belmont]

I think a lot of people forget that IGA didn't create the "Belmont hero disappears" problem.  That came before IGA, from Bloodlines --a rather awkward attempt to shoehorn Bram Stoker's novel into the evolving canon --which BTW was just fine without it.

But in Bloodlines wasn't John Morris simply intended to be the next Belmont hero, the idea of a purer separate line that just inexplicably disappeared was something that Iga introduced not bloodlines.

[darkwzrd4]

But in Bloodlines wasn't John Morris simply intended to be the next Belmont hero, the idea of a purer separate line that just inexplicably disappeared was something that Iga introduced not bloodlines.

You're right.  Actually, now that I think about it, the whole mess started with AoS in that Julius had the Belmont last name.  And I believe that Iga was in charge when it came out.  So, it is partially his fault for plot holes, but there is one plot hole that he isn't responsible for: in the instruction manuals of SotN (and possibly RoB) Dracula is said to be around 800 years old in the 1700s which would make him 500 years older than Vlad the Impaler.  Iga tried to sort of fix this by making Dracula not Vlad the Impaler, yet Iga was still at least 100 years off.

[cecil-kain]

Both of you are forgetting Belmont's Revenge established the passing of the Vampire Killer as a father-son tradition.  Bloodlines ruined that by removing the Belmont surname --all for no other reason than to force the Stoker novel into the mythos.  IGA included Julius in AoS to show that the male line of Belmonts never died out --and moreover to restore them to their rightful place as Dracula's rival...  All the complications in PoR work toward correcting the mythos problems imposed by Bloodlines.

[crisis]

and St. Germain is gonna be there too.

[thernz]

you would think that the clan would just select the most able and prodigious of the youths for the heir to vampire killer. i mean, it would just be mere coincidence that they mostly turned out to be belmonts but you wouldn't have story-muck.

[le052383]

Both of you are forgetting Belmont's Revenge established the passing of the Vampire Killer as a father-son tradition.  Bloodlines ruined that by removing the Belmont surname --all for no other reason than to force the Stoker novel into the mythos.  IGA included Julius in AoS to show that the male line of Belmonts never died out --and moreover to restore them to their rightful place as Dracula's rival...  All the complications in PoR work toward correcting the mythos problems imposed by Bloodlines.

True.  I wouldn't blame Iga for trying to bring back the Belmont surname since they are as much iconic to the series like Dracula.  If I am not mistaken, people were going to go all up in arms if Gabriel wasn't a Belmont.  Gamers in Japan were also pissed when IGA tried to title the GBA titles as Castlevania.  I am just saying that fans will be in rage if the games get altered by removing the title of the game or removing the belmonts as Dracula's rival.


What is also bizarre with Bloodlines is that they made the person with the whip an american.  Having him american just doesn't make sense unless Dracula's castle re emerged in the US.

[whitedragon_nall]

I guess technically Bram Stoker made John Morris an American since Stoker created John's father, Quincey. However, there is no mention of Quincey having a son in Stoker's novel.

Odd.

[le052383]

Surely you don't mean us....... /sarcasm

Didn't IGA say somewhere that he only removed games from the timeline if the directors didn't consider them canon? I swear I read that somewhere. Maybe he was forced into a position where he had to come up with some kind of explanation for why the Belmonts didn't wield the whip in Bloodlines.

He did, but he also regretted having the timeline released since he received blacklash from it.  Besides, if he did included all those games in canon, it would be more harder than it currently is to connect them to one continuity.  Iga has to explain why the whip keeps jumping back and forth from Belmont to non blooded sucessors or descendences and etc. I think the only game that wasn't canon, but was a bit contradicting was Castlevania legends.

[le052383]

I guess technically Bram Stoker made John Morris an American since Stoker created John's father, Quincey. However, there is no mention of Quincey having a son in Stoker's novel.

Odd.

I've never read the book and thought Quincy was the british guy.  My bad. 

The son was only created to make him the sucessor of the belmont clan.  It is stupid to even try to fit the book into castlevania because not only did they make the son somehow watched Quincy fight Dracula when he was five.  Wasn't Quincy supposely single in the book?