Topic: Why did they take out Sonia from the series

[Claimh Solais]

Belmont Warlord Chromosomes.

This alone is what makes the Belmonts so beast.

[Nagumo]

What are you talking about? It had both to do with your point and to do with contradictions. Your point makes a lot of sense, but without the contradiction, that means Drac is Trev's grand-daddy.

People mostly say the game was condradictive because of information established after the game was already retconned. That also includes the date that in the game takes place in.   

[Super Waffle]

Sonia was removed from canon because Iga doesn't like vaginas.  They frighten and confuse him.

[Chernabogue]

Sonia was removed from canon because Iga doesn't like vaginas.  They frighten and confuse him.

Change the letters' order. IGA -> GAI.

[A-Yty]

I don't know, but I'm glad the bitch is gone! 

[Flame]

I don't know, but I'm glad the bitch is gone! 

*Smacks you*
Don't you be disrespectin' no Belmonts, boy.

[Mystic Myotis]

Wow... major rage-fests going on in here. XD
I don't really care either way about the game itself but as to whether or not it should be canon... that is a no-brainer.  There are so many reasons why Legends cannot be canon.

IGA has a raging boner for CVIII, and wanted Trevor to be the first Belmont to kill Dracula. It makes Trevor look badass. Sonia, in his opinion, tried to steal Trev's glory, hence had to be wacked from the canon.

Vlad the Impaler's primary 'rule' began in 1456 and he died in 1476. When does Castlevania Legends take place?
1450.

The Castlevania series has always tried to reference actual events, but putting their own twist on it.  That is why in the series Trevor Belmont and Co. fight Dracula in 1476, the year of Vlad the III's death.

I would not be at all surprised if this was a reason why Sonia was made non-canon.


But even discounting that there are other issues both within the game itself and with the way the series has changed, such as:

1. Alucard apparently went into self-imposed sleep after he was made confident that Sonia could handle Dracula.  So why was he awake and running around in 1476 searching for someone to help him take out his father even when Sonia supposedly assured him that her family would take care of it?

2. Belmonts being part vampire while not showing any magic resembling Dracula's or Alucard's powers, or vampire powers in general.  In Curse of Darkness, Trevor is described as 'true-blooded.'  Yeah.

3. Alucard's character has consistently been portrayed as someone who considers his blood cursed.  We are talking about someone who wanted to put himself in what was supposed to be an eternal sleep because he thought it would be best if his bloodline 'disappeared from the world forever' to paraphrase.  And no, it's not because he's matured over centuries; if Legends is accurate, then he slept for some time between Legends and CVIII, and right after CVIII, he fell asleep for 320-some years.  He was ASLEEP.  He did not suddenly go from someone who was fine 'sowing his cursed seed' to someone who would rather sleep for all eternity than trouble the world with his presence over the course of a long nap. >_>


These are just a few reasons off the top of my head but I have some others saved somewhere on my computer for reference.

But really... if the closest thing to a defense the Legends supporters can give is 'I like her' and 'IGA is sexist' and 'Trevor doesn't HAVE to be the first to kill Dracula'... >_>

I have no objection to a female Belmont but Legends' story just doesn't fit.

[Deko21]

Well that's castlevania fan-dumb for ya. We complain about Legends not being canon despite many flaws it has and despite it was a step backwards of what belmont's revenge had.

And you're right, all the reasons the people give while defending Legends is just "i like her" and "iga hates vaginas" despite being married and so on. Very immature if you ask me.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Eh, Leon Belmont trumps the whole "Trevor was first" thing.

[Nagumo]

Legends being declared non-canon is a common misconception. The only reason IGA ever gave was because of his dislike for the game, the protagonist, and because he wanted to do a better origin story, which was pretty lacking in the game.   

Vlad the Impaler's primary 'rule' began in 1456 and he died in 1476. When does Castlevania Legends take place?
1450.

Fun fact about the date of Legends: the game itself never provided this date. An early timeline lists the date as just sometime during the 15th century, in fact. The date 1450 was later added to a timeline from 2005. Since no date was ever given to the game before then, I suspect they just rounded the date to 1450 and just went with that.

As for your argument, it doesn't really matter, since as you yourself pointed out that Konami likes refering stuff in their games, and put their own spin on it. So it doesn't have to exactly line up with the material it's based on. Therefore, this can't be the reason why the game was declared non-canon. 
 

1. Alucard apparently went into self-imposed sleep after he was made confident that Sonia could handle Dracula.  So why was he awake and running around in 1476 searching for someone to help him take out his father even when Sonia supposedly assured him that her family would take care of it?

 
I'm not sure how the developers intented this, but I'm sure they meant to justify Alucard's appearance the same way as it was done in SotN. Even if that's not the case, it's not like it's a condradiction. Just something they would have needed to elaborate on.           
 

2. Belmonts being part vampire while not showing any magic resembling Dracula's or Alucard's powers, or vampire powers in general.  In Curse of Darkness, Trevor is described as 'true-blooded.'  Yeah.

What you say is correct, but your conclusion is just fandom and not supported by anything except your own believes.

3. Alucard's character has consistently been portrayed as someone who considers his blood cursed.   

That's assuming characters in fiction should always be portrayed in the same way without any differences in their views/opinion without ever changing. What you are talking about was first introduced in SotN, so it's not like he could have felt differently about his bloodline previously in his life.     

/annoyed

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I'm not fond of how this topic was resurrected from three months ago.

@Gaawa-chan: Are you and people searching the back pages and just get a hankering for replying to old stuff?

Anyway, as Nagumo said, the characters are not stagnant.  They grow.  The Alucard in CV3 seems brash in comparison to the brooding version in SotN, and to the "Secret Agent" version in AoS/DoS.  I'm sure that how you felt when you were 15 is far different than how you will feel at 35 and 65.  This is the same way, only instead of years, we're talking about decades.

[narkolepsi]

Well that's castlevania fan-dumb for ya. We complain about Legends not being canon despite many flaws it has and despite it was a step backwards of what belmont's revenge had.

And you're right, all the reasons the people give while defending Legends is just "i like her" and "iga hates vaginas" despite being married and so on. Very immature if you ask me.

Way to complain about our fandom once again. The beef people have with Legends has been around for a LONG time. It's nothing new. The wound was opened afresh when this thread was bumped (as Jorge said, this is 3 months old, but the retcon is WAY older than this, and so is the controversy surrounding it). "IGA hates vaginas" is a joke response; it's pretty clear that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. And those in this thread are acknowledging the flaws of Legends. (They're glaring. It's kind of hard not to see them).

At the same time, however, we just question how one could dash this game from the timeline just like *that*. In fact, much of the beef lies with IGA and how he handled the situation. Most people take issue not with Sonia as a Belmont, but her supposed having relations with Alucard, a manner on which I'm going to stay neutral. IGA took issue with Sonia as a Belmont, period. The people who defend Legends say: "aww, but I like her," but IGA is as bad as they are:

3. If you had to play a Castlevania game all the way through, which one would be the worst to suffer through?
Iga: Castlevania Legends for the Gameboy. I hate Sonia Belmont--she has the worst whipping animation ever.
EGM: Correct.

-EGM, 2003

When it boils down to it, his rationale isn't any better than that of the Legends supporters. BECAUSE WHIPPING ANIMATION IS ALL THAT MATTERS, RIGHT? She doesn't have Alucard's flowy hair or billowing cape or a sword that reads "verboten" when swung! Horrors! Hey, let's retcon this game ASAP.

Though timeline contradiction seems to be the main concern with Legends, he's generally an ass about it whenever he mentions it. Dear IGA: The game's out there, you can't take it back, you have to find a way to deal with it instead of going "oh, hey, there's that girl with the lousy whipping arm, let's throw rocks at her until she either apologizes or dies." And the retcon was his way of dealing with it, albeit an extremely selfish one.

Legends being declared non-canon is a common misconception. The only reason IGA ever gave was because of his dislike for the game, the protagonist, and because he wanted to do a better origin story, which was pretty lacking in the game.

IGA: It's possible I guess. Although, I purposefully left the Sonia Belmont
character (from Castlevania: Legends for GBC) out of the official
Castlevania chronology. (laughs) Usually, the vampire storyline motifs,
females tend to be sacrificed. It's easier to come up with weak, feminine
characters. I'll think about it more in the future, though. It's tough to
fit a female hero into the early history of Castlevania, but as you move
into the modern day, females can then more easily become a hero.

- Same EGM interview from 2003

Can't say I agree with him, but he did admit to ignoring her on purpose. I do take issue with his statement on "weak, feminine characters." It really incenses me. I guess that's why all the women are just lumped into House Belnades nowadays.

[Nagumo]

Oh lol. That was a typo. I'm not saying Legends is canon, just that it wasn't taken out of the canon because of supposed condradictions.     

[narkolepsi]

Oh, ok
IGA did say stuff about contradictions at one point or another, though, I think, but that's definitely not his only reason for ignoring the game. A lot of it really does come down to personal bias.

[Nagumo]

Yeah, he did say something about it not fitting with the rest of the games at one point, but I believe he was talking about something that had been brought up by the timeline, which wasn't released until 2001 or so.