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I'm confused about this...
« on: June 11, 2011, 12:08:38 PM »
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How is Richter over-used? I've heard tons of people on forums like GameFAQs and stuff say this constantly, but I don't feel the need to ask there because I may be endlessly trolled in return. So I ask here.

How is he overused? (this doesn't count homebrews, GameFAQs really only talks about the official games... and bewbs.) Especially when you compare him to Alucard.

Richter appeared in:
Rondo of Blood/DXC
Symphony of the Night/Nocturne In the Moonlight
Portrait of Ruin
Harmony of Despair

Alucard appeared in:
Kid Dracula (sort of...)
Dracula's Curse
Symphony of the Night/Nocturne In the Moonlight
Aria of Sorrow
Dawn of Sorrow
Judgment
Harmony of Despair
As well as got his own trailer for a cancelled game, hurr durr.

Or I could be a d-bag and compare Richter to Dracula. >.>

But yeah, how is Richter overused? Can someone explain that to me?
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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2011, 12:20:33 PM »
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Well, you're comparing him to pretty much the most prevalent protagonist character in the series, at this point. Ol' Rich is still plenty prolific himself, probably around the same level as Simon.

Anyhow, it's more about the context of his appearances. I know his Portrait showing and especially being made a playable bonus character in it rubbed some people the wrong way because it was seen as a quick and cheap way to add more content, Richter having the most modern sprite out of all the Belmonts, so it was no big deal to just slap him in. They went for convenience instead of doing something actually relevant to the subject matter, like a John/Eric mode or whatever.

The rest of the distaste probably stems from being featured prominently in two of the (totally justifiedly) most popular games in the series, both of which have seen their share of ports and rereleases along the years. A victim of hype, perhaps.

He's just around a lot despite only two 'real' starring roles.

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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2011, 12:27:46 PM »
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Hmm... Yeah, I see what you mean. Alright, that pretty much answers my question. ^.^
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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2011, 12:53:20 PM »
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Trevor is more used than Richter too. Alucard is over-used.

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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2011, 12:55:37 PM »
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Yeah, but on forums like GameFAQs, Richter is the only one being talked about as "overused". If you even mention Alucard as overused you will be butt-raped sideways by the trolls there, as they're all diehard Al fans.
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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2011, 01:07:21 PM »
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Yeah, but on forums like GameFAQs, Richter is the only one being talked about as "overused". If you even mention Alucard as overused you will be butt-raped sideways by the trolls there, as they're all diehard Al fans.
These guys may think SotN is the only existing CV game, with RoB or DXC. XD

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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2011, 01:08:58 PM »
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Well, it's on the Harmony of Despair board there. They're probably fanboys who started with SotN and refused to believe anything existed prior to that. ^.^
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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2011, 02:53:39 PM »
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Simon is the only Belmont ever needed.

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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2011, 03:06:29 PM »
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Anyhow, it's more about the context of his appearances. I know his Portrait showing and especially being made a playable bonus character in it rubbed some people the wrong way because it was seen as a quick and cheap way to add more content, Richter having the most modern sprite out of all the Belmonts, so it was no big deal to just slap him in. They went for convenience instead of doing something actually relevant to the subject matter, like a John/Eric mode or whatever.

I really enjoyed the Richter mode. Why do people bitch about having more and completely optional gameplay?  I don't see anyone bitching about being able to play as the friggin Ye Olde Axe Armor.  Damn those game devs and their habits of giving extra content. DAMN THEM ALL!!!!!



Simon is the only Belmont ever needed.

Simon as a 96yr old man: Can someone else please go destroy Dracula this time? Please!? My son, or grandson, or great-grandson perhaps? I'm old and very very tired. And old.

Townsfolk: NO! You go kill vampires now! You're the only Belmont ever needed.

Simon as a 96yr old man: *strangles self with whip*
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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2011, 03:38:22 PM »
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They're less than ideal because they're pointlessly shoehorned in just because the assets were there. You know why you really fight Richter in Portrait? It's because he's easy to include since he has a great sprite, not because of whatever humbug they feed you about WHIP'S MEMORY or whatever within the story. It's all so see-through, so of course it's going to bother someone, and just one example of Portrait drawing more elements from Rondo -- like almost every Castlevania since Symphony -- instead of the game it's supposedly a sequel to, Bloodlines.

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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2011, 03:46:38 PM »
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I really enjoyed the Richter mode. Why do people bitch about having more and completely optional gameplay?  I don't see anyone bitching about being able to play as the friggin Ye Olde Axe Armor.  Damn those game devs and their habits of giving extra content. DAMN THEM ALL!!!!!



Simon as a 96yr old man: Can someone else please go destroy Dracula this time? Please!? My son, or grandson, or great-grandson perhaps? I'm old and very very tired. And old.

Townsfolk: NO! You go kill vampires now! You're the only Belmont ever needed.

Simon as a 96yr old man: *strangles self with whip*

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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2011, 05:01:02 PM »
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Not overused. Over popular. He is insanely popular for his Symphony role, and role as "strongest Belmont" before Julius came along and topped him as "Strongest Vampire Hunter"
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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2011, 06:05:12 PM »
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They're less than ideal because they're pointlessly shoehorned in just because the assets were there. You know why you really fight Richter in Portrait? It's because he's easy to include since he has a great sprite, not because of whatever humbug they feed you about WHIP'S MEMORY or whatever within the story. It's all so see-through, so of course it's going to bother someone, and just one example of Portrait drawing more elements from Rondo -- like almost every Castlevania since Symphony -- instead of the game it's supposedly a sequel to, Bloodlines.

By that logic, they could have just as easily made him Jonathan Lecarde instead and you have to fight the Spear's Memory of Alucard. :P
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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2011, 06:22:50 PM »
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They did not want to draw new sprites of the Bloodlines heroes.  And they give you some weird plot device like "Whip's Memory" to throw you off the scent that you're being ripped off.

And yeah it's a ripoff that we get Richter/Maria mode, and not John/Eric mode, for the same reason.

Lastly, he's got a ridiculous following who continuously clings on to one line in the USA SotN booklet, some crap about being the strongest because 'Belmonts get stronger down the line' or some crap (which, by logic, would make Julius the most badass strongest, best Belmont, even though genetics doesn't work that way).

Also, Simon & Trevor are cooler, imo. :P :P :P
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Re: I'm confused about this...
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2011, 07:13:51 PM »
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For those who say Alucard appears too much, you seem to miss the point.  Unlike Richter, Alucard usually has some role to play in the story.  In CV3, he was one of Trevor's allies.  In SotN, he was the main character.  In AoS and DoS, he was around to make sure no one would take Dracula's place as master of the castle.

They did not want to draw new sprites of the Bloodlines heroes.  And they give you some weird plot device like "Whip's Memory" to throw you off the scent that you're being ripped off.

And yeah it's a ripoff that we get Richter/Maria mode, and not John/Eric mode, for the same reason.

Lastly, he's got a ridiculous following who continuously clings on to one line in the USA SotN booklet, some crap about being the strongest because 'Belmonts get stronger down the line' or some crap (which, by logic, would make Julius the most badass strongest, best Belmont, even though genetics doesn't work that way).

Also, Simon & Trevor are cooler, imo. :P :P :P
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