Topic: Konami's Approval Rating

[Claimh Solais]

Well, with all due respect, the FPS-view came in during Metal Gear Solid 2, before the whole "FPS Rage" going on. Same with Metroid Prime, and that was a damn good game series. Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like I was trying to start an argument. My bad. ^.^

But yeah, Japan still does FPS games. They've done it before the whole Western FPS Rage. (and for the record, Doom is a kind of terrible game)

[thernz]

Uh, do you have proof of that last statement?

[Claimh Solais]

Uh, do you have proof of that last statement?

The whole FPS Rage didn't start until the like... Halo 2, Call of Duty 4, etc. (in their series specifically). It wasn't as big with Halo 1, or Call of Duty 1-3.

Whereas Japan had games like Breakdown, which was a full first person game all the way through, which came out before Halo 2. It even included things such as fist-fighting. Also, there were first person games on the SNES (which were rather clunky). I don't believe I have to list them all out to you. You can google them or something.

In fact, you could've just googled it all in the first place.

[thernz]

oh, i thought there was a significant boom to fpses since the early 90's in the western market. so i kinda link the fps rage to the entire period since its inception. not as big now i guess, but i think they were still big back then.

i know about breakdown. i guess it sorta counts as an fps even though it's more fist-oriented. the gunplay itself was kinda just awkward. i think it's more of a

first person thing

than a first person shooter

i guess it comes as something before your boom though.

[X]

A real chunky one to play that came out on the PC, but was then ported to the SNES and Genesis was Wolfenstein 3D. This is the earliest FPS I've ever heard about and played. I heard about Doom shortly afterwards. Breakdown is something I didn't hear about 'till now.

[Claimh Solais]

Yeah, Breakdown be a great game with an amazing story. The gameplay is good, but it could use a lot of fixing up in some areas. Check it out when you got the time.

[Flame]

The lack of Duke Nukem in this conversation saddens Duke.

[X]

How could we ever forget about The Duke of Nuke'ms? He still has games coming out. I don't think he'll die out that easily since he's extremely popular with one-line pick-ups and wooing the women. 

[Renonsgoods]

Well, with all due respect, the FPS-view came in during Metal Gear Solid 2, before the whole "FPS Rage" going on.

Umm, what???

But yeah, Japan still does FPS games. They've done it before the whole Western FPS Rage. (and for the record, Doom is a kind of terrible game)

What games are you using as your example/proof?  Cuz I'd really like to know what you're basing this on.  Yes, there were a couple of Japanese made games in the 80's that utilized what could technically be considered a first person perspective, but they weren't the first...and they were hardly the impetus for the modern FPS as we've come to know it.  ID's Wolfenstein and Doom franchises were single handedly responsible for that...no matter how little an opinion you have for them.  Trust me, back in the early 90's those games were the most awesome thing most of us had ever experienced on a computer screen.

The whole FPS Rage didn't start until the like... Halo 2, Call of Duty 4, etc. (in their series specifically). It wasn't as big with Halo 1, or Call of Duty 1-3.

I guess you never heard of Goldeneye 007, Tribes, Duke Nukem 3D, Star Wars Dark Forces, Deus Ex, Half-Life, Counterstrike, Unreal Tournament, Quake 1-3, Medal of Honor, Turok, Perfect Dark, Thief......etc, etc, etc.  I hate to break it to you, but the FPS rage has been "raging'" since the mid 90's or so. 

Whereas Japan had games like Breakdown, which was a full first person game all the way through, which came out before Halo 2. It even included things such as fist-fighting.

Are you being serious?  One mainstream Japanese made FPS from 2004?  What does that have to do with originating the FPS craze???

Also, there were first person games on the SNES (which were rather clunky). I don't believe I have to list them all out to you.

I know what FPS games were available on the SNES...I owned just about every one of them.

In fact, you could've just googled it all in the first place.

I don't have to Google anything my friend.  I was right there in the thick of the FPS genre's beginnings.  From the statements being made here, it seems that it's you who may need to pay Google a visit.  I'm not trying to be an ass here, but you really are speaking out of your dept on this one. 

I'm really regretting ever making this one little hyperbolic quip about the FPS gaming element now...it seems to have completely derailed the entire thread at this point.  I'm gonna drop it now, as it was never my intention to throw my hat into the whole East vs West gaming debate.  If anything I was trying to show how dumb and irrelevant that whole argument actually is.  A good game is a good game.  There have been plenty of them made in both the east and the west, using conventions pioneered by both.  All the fuss over who is using more conventions from which country is just silly to me.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Indeed, it is as Renonsgoods says.
There have been plenty of topnotch 'first person' titles since waaaay back.
I remember the old "Shining..." games (I used to play Shining in the Darkness), which is technically a first-person RPG!  Holy crap that was many many moons ago (sure it's not a fp-shooter but it had that perspective).

But yeah, even the Id Software's "Doom" port for the SNES was damn awesome back in the day.
And 4-player GoldenEye007 still rocks (if you play the Wii version's update, you can still split-screen giving you that old 90's feeling of the N64).

[Renonsgoods]

Jorge, you should try out the HD remake of the original Perfect Dark on the 360 if you ever get a chance (if you haven't already). Talk about gaming nostalgia-bliss-overload.

[Pemburu Vampir]

Never got into FPS, because I get motion sickness every time I play it.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Jorge, you should try out the HD remake of the original Perfect Dark on the 360 if you ever get a chance (if you haven't already). Talk about gaming nostalgia-bliss-overload.

I would, but no 360.  And Rare is part of Microsoft, which means it'll never make it to other systems, blarghleschnarph.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

Can't believe some people have not played GoldenEye for N64.

That game was EPIC!

I spent hours playing with friends and stil do from time to time.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I don't know how I made it past this one college semester years ago.... GoldenEye007, Mario Kart, Pokemon Puzzle League, and Dr.Mario64 made my friends and I very, very, bad students. xD