Topic: General Mega Man Discussion Thread

[Inccubus]

Never Mind. Delete this please.

[Flame]

To not derail the future of robots thread in off the wall-

I'll just respond to some stuff from there

Wait, you said 'same shit as X'? But why? I thought he had a virus,

Also Zero doesnt have a virus in his body since Sigma broken the crystal in his forehead with a punch and acidentally absorbed it. Zero still can absorb the virus though.

Zero is a carrier of the Sigma Virus. Since it does not affect him negatively, and only really affects him in large doses, (and the fact that him and X are beyond their era's science, making them impossible to fully analyze) the fact was never discovered until further in the timeline, where once the Nightmare from X6 was studied in further detail, the Virus and it's links to Zero were discovered.

Let me discuss in a little more clarity and detail.

Wily built Zero to destroy Bass and Mega Man and help him take over the world. However, Zero had a flaw in his cognitive program that made him overly violent and unwilling to obey orders. So Wily sealed him away. At some point, Wily changed Zero's purpose to destroying X, after learning of his existence somehow.

Interesting to note here- that Zero was seemingly not completed by Wily to his original planned specifications. (the X2 body, WITHOUT the saber- was Wily's original blueprint design)

Wily also created the Sigma Virus, and to clarify- There is no "Wily Virus" or "Zero Virus". The only Zero virus existed in X5, as the result of the Sigma Virus merging with the Colony Virus. It died in X5.

No, the original Virus created by Wily has no known name, (so far) And it is referred to as the "Sigma" Virus, because that is what it later becomes known as.

So, Wily created the Sigma Virus- for what purposes noone knows. He put the Virus within Zero's capsule, not Zero himself.

Worth noting here- That while X was designed and built with "Perfect Virus Countermeasures", Zero himself apparently has Imperfect Countermeasures.

A century passes, and over time, The virus began to leak from the capsule, driving local robots mad, making mavericks. Garma/Gamma's Maverick Hunter Unit discover his capsule and accidentally release him, causing him to slaughter the entire unit before being cornered in the Rocky Mountain warehouse where he fights Sigma.

During that fight, Zero's armor is breached by Sigma, allowing the virus to infect him. Sigma himself is also infected during the fight, by the virus that had been permeating the area, originating from Zero's capsule. It causes some sort of reaction within Zero, and We all know the famous Sigma falcon punch that knocks Zero out and shatters his headgem.

Once he is studied and awakened at Hunter Base, all traces of his previous overly violent Maverick behavior are gone, and Sigma makes him a Maverick Hunter.

After this, Zero becomes a carrier of the Virus, unintentionally spreading it whenever he goes on his missions, while Sigma's consciousness merges with the Virus to become the Sigma Virus that dominated the X series story. This does not change after his revival in X2, but X5 goes into further detail about how the Virus reacts uniquely with him, making him stronger and increasing his power output, instead of making him go crazy.

There is however, the alternate scenario where the Colony impacts the Earth or the shuttle mission fails, and Zero is bombarded with Zero Virus, "awakening" to his "true self".

This Awakening Zero, shows no compassion or emotion for the life he led as a Hunter, and is intent on destroying X, simply because that is his mission. He does not care about Mavericks either, however.

The cold hearted emotionless nature of Awakening Zero leads to the theory that one of Wily's function for the Virus in Zero was to dampen his violent emotions. But that's just theory.

Once it is discovered after the X series, that Zero is the source of the virus and a carrier of it, he and the government decide to seal him so as to research the Sigma Virus and his connection to it, and if possible, remove it. During this 50 year seal, Zero's body is separated from his Cognitive program, where Ciel's ancestor discovers a Sigma Virus antibody, which leads to the creation of Mother Elf, a sentient superprogram reverse-engineered from the Sigma Virus, also called "The Sigma Antibody Program". Mother Elf has the power to alter Maverick Reploid programming and revert it back to it's original state, essentially killing the Sigma Virus way of survival. From this, Cyber elves are created as well, smaller sentient programs which can alter reality and interact with machines and such in different ways. However, the Maverick Wars never truly ended, despite a calm in the storm. Dr. Vile/Weil ( no relation to Wily or Vile) who hates Reploids and resents them, feels that humans should controll all Reploids. He steals Mother Elf and corrupts her into Dark Elf, and also clones her, creating baby duplicates, starting the Elf Wars mentioned in the Zero series. (I can clarify on that too if you have not played them)

Goddamnit man! And what about X, you said he can't work anymore? Why? Is he dead?

X sacrificed his body to power the seal on Yggdrasil, the compound dedicated solely to sealing away Dark Elf after the Elf Wars ended.

Interesting to note- The shock of X's sealing Dark Elf apparently separated his "soul" from his body, and fractured it into 5 pieces, 4 of which were later used to create Neo Arcadia's Big 4, and the 5th wandered the earth as X. Copy X was originally simply designed as a duplicate body for X to inhabit after sealing his original, but X did not want to come back, and so it was turned into a copy of him instead, so that "X" could continue being the ruler of Neo Arcadia. As far as the public knows, Copy X is the same X from the Wars. Him being a copy is something almost nobody is aware of. Not even the 4 generals know.

[Successor The Cruel]

Don't know what's being discussed in this thread, but this is my vision...

Animals as Leaders - Tempting Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj_FsMTy8mQ

If I were creating a Mega Man X game, I would love for the part at 2:53 to about 4:10 to be the Maverick select screen theme (the rest of the song, though great, is not important for what I'm talking about so you can immediately zoom to 2:53). You would be in Hunter HQ base, and there would be a massive computer monitor showing profile pictures of the Mavericks, and as you scrolled over the pictures, data about them would appear on screen (imagine the Mega Man x4 sound effects). I think that would just about be glorious. If you can fully understand my vision, I really appreciate you.

[Flame]

I think I can dig it.

Now that I remember though, I posted on Mega Man Network, my own vision of a new X game. (or how X7 could have been better)

xl would have been better if he had a more unique gameplay style. it would be tough to pull off, since it would require massive overhauls of the level design standards to suit all 3 kinds of gameplay, (X’s ranged, Zero’s melee, and Axl’s) but well worth it.

What Axl could have used, is to take advantage of his main gimmick, transformation, to make a more stealth based shooter gameplay. He would still run n’ gun like X, but could take advantage of his Copy chip to infiltrate enemy ranks, (an idea X8 toyed with slightly, allowing Axl to transform into stage enemies and therefore trick them into thinking he was one of them) or going stealth, like Command Mission did for his Hyper Mode. This could allow for a multiple pathway kind of open world stage design, where each individual’s abilities allow for different kinds of exploration. Zero’s double Jump and Powerful melee weapons could allow him to, for example, break certain types of surfaces to access a hidden area or alternate route,

X’s ranged buster gameplay could allow for safer gameplay and taking out large groups at once with a charged shot, and his armor system could grant him extra mobility perks allowing for different routes and such, like Zero,

and Axl, meanwhile, would be able to access X’s basic areas, with run and gun gameplay, perhaps be able to snipe specific enemies from far away with a specific weapon type, (Another idea X8 and Command Mission introduced, which was allowing for Axl to gain different types of guns) or use his abilities to copy an enemy or go stealth mode to access areas which might close off were X and Zero to be spotted

There is so much potential to diversify the trio’s gameplay while making Axl in particular more than just a Bass clone with a copy ability.

[VladCT]

And suddenly we see Axl running around inside a cardboard box.
Joking aside, I'd be plenty interested in seeing how a stealth character can be made to work in a MMX game, aside from the ideas you already mentioned.

[crisis]

i still wonder what happened to "wily" after X6

i know people are still mourning over Legends 3 but what about those who want X9 & ZX3 
at least Legends 3 was in a tangible form at one point lol

[Lelygax]

You mean that him right?


Isoc

[Flame]

Yeah. That's him.

Some people think that he "moved on" after X6, due to his comments when Zero finds Isoc's body.

Something along the lines of, Zero having proved himself to him by defeating his own DNA, defeating himself, essentially. Since Gate used Zero's DNA to alter his body for combat, becoming invulnerable to everything but his own weapons and Zero STILL won. Beat Him, highmax, and the Nightmare. All made from his DNA, proving himself superior.

It's a possibility I suppose.

[Lelygax]

Even if it never gonna happen and could be a heart-breaking and brutal story. I wanted to see how the Roboenza evolved in Zero Virus or something like that and what happened between Classic to X.

[VladCT]

I personally want to see what happened between X and Zero, particularly how X broke down into no longer caring about his enemies.

[Lelygax]

particularly how X broke down into no longer caring about his enemies.

Play X7 and you will see, technically he already lose his determination there. Losing his body is a great opportunity to leave the battlefield forever without no one interfering.

[VladCT]

There's also how he started to gain...ruthless tendencies, as evidenced by him telling Zero to "terminate that copy of [his] with extreme prejudice" (paraphrased from memory) in Zero 1.
By the way, what if the timeline between X and Zero went as Inafune planned, with Zero actually dying and somehow revived later, and X becoming the tyrant ruler of Neo Arcadia instead of a shoddy copy? What would have been the catalyst that changed X so radically on a fundamental level?

[Lelygax]

There's also how he started to gain...ruthless tendencies, as evidenced by him telling Zero to "terminate that copy of [his] with extreme prejudice" (paraphrased from memory) in Zero 1.

Imagine your body doing all these wrong things after you trusted it, without even having a chance to stop it. You dont need to get very far in your imagination to understand IMO.

By the way, what if the timeline between X and Zero went as Inafune planned, with Zero actually dying and somehow revived later, and X becoming the tyrant ruler of Neo Arcadia instead of a shoddy copy? What would have been the catalyst that changed X so radically on a fundamental level?

MMX5 Bad Ending. He forgot everything about his best friend after killing him, with Zero mocking him until the end. He then remember and goes nuts? Yeah, thats just a joke, doesnt take this idea so seriously.

[X]

By the way, what if the timeline between X and Zero went as Inafune planned, with Zero actually dying and somehow revived later, and X becoming the tyrant ruler of Neo Arcadia instead of a shoddy copy? What would have been the catalyst that changed X so radically on a fundamental level?

If this ever happened then god help the world, or Zero help the world for that matter. I personally think, while it's an interesting concept, this could not happen as Dr. Light would have thought about this very issue ahead of time. X was the first generation of this type of machine and no-doubt Light had on his mind the rules of robotics. He would have equipped X with specific set algorithms (let's call it his conscience) to safe-guard against X from just turning lose like that without even needing the sigma virus to initiate it. Zero on the other hand is a far different story entirely. Of course that's Dr. Wily's track record for ya.

[Lelygax]

Laws of robotics doesnt apply to Reploids since they are free to follow or ignore them. Thats why Dr. Light sealed X in a capsule to test him. Only because he is a good person at the time, it doesnt mean that he cant change his behaviour after.