Topic: Timeline Analysis and Conflicts.

[KaZudra]

No, he didn't. Aside from having a similar name, how is Cronqvist, the fictional Romanian knight who became a vampire in defiance of God, similar to Corvinus, the historic Hungarian king?

Yeah, a man with a Similar name,
Vlad Trepes was his Vassal...
His Privileged Prisoner...
His Cousin In Law...
And This Man helped Vlad Tepes Conquer Wallachia for his second time.

too many connections for it not to be inspired.

I agree.

He may have used the name as a nod towards Matthias Corvinus but he certainly did not base his Dracula off of him.

Its obvious that IGA still drew inspiration from the Bram Stoker's version of Dracula.

Having a wife named Elisabetha who died and caused him to forsake god.

Pretty similar to Elizibeta dying and causing the Bram Stoker's Dracula to also forsake god.

If that is so, why didn't he Make his Dracula the Bram Stoker one (Vlad III) Like ALL of the other Castlevania games.
ALL, not some, not few, ALL but ONE established Dracula to be the Bram Stoker one.
LoI tried to be different, but when its all said and done,
Belmont's Origin didn't need a half-assed-no-researched Dracula Origin.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

If that is so, why didn't he Make his Dracula the Bram Stoker one (Vlad III) Like ALL of the other Castlevania games.

Obviously he wanted to do something different.

And I applaud him for that.

I actually think he did a pretty good job with his origin story.

Classic case of differing opinions here I suppose.

But atleast he still paid some form of homage to the established Bram Stoker Dracula story as I pointed out in my above comment.

Its not like he pulled a LOS and made Dracula a former belmont lol.

[whitedragon_nall]

I don't remember if Mathias' name was ever brought in later games. Can it be possible that current Drac is actually Vlad III? Like maybe Vlad defeated Mathias and took the Crimson Stone from him. So much could've happened between LoI and CV3 that we've yet to know.

I know the snippet from the interview Crisis posted shows IGA saying he likes to think Mathias was living peacefully, but I'm just assuming for a moment that he did not.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

Well considering IGA confirmed that Mathias is indeed Dracula from the Castlevania games that really disproves your theory of him being killled by the real one.

[whitedragon_nall]

Oh, he did. Geez, how could I have competely missed the first question in that interview.... 

[crisis]

Consider the portrait that's in the background of Soma's chamber in DoS Julius Mode,




moar proof,

[DragonSlayr81]

I don't remember if Mathias' name was ever brought in later games. Can it be possible that current Drac is actually Vlad III? Like maybe Vlad defeated Mathias and took the Crimson Stone from him. So much could've happened between LoI and CV3 that we've yet to know.

I know the snippet from the interview Crisis posted shows IGA saying he likes to think Mathias was living peacefully, but I'm just assuming for a moment that he did not.

LOL, dude, the clip actually features IGA confirming Mathias IS Dracula. He changes his name to "Dracula". Another interview(forget if it was for a magazine or strategy guide) IGA outright stated he changed his name because of what "Dracula" means. So, basically, Mathias sheds his mortal name(his christened name), and renames himself according to what he has become(Son of the Devil/Dragon= "Dracula"). It makes sense if you allow it to.

[RichterB]

I never felt that Castlevania's "Dracula" was 100% the same as Bram Stoker's or the historical Vlad Tepes. Castlevania made up its own legend even in the beginning, drawing inspiration from various Dracula/vampire-based tales, and mixing them with new material. I mean, did Bram Stoker's Dracula or Vlad Tepes shoot fireballs from their cape and turn into big blue monsters? Did they have an alliance with Death or control Hollywood/literary and Greek monsters? Castlevania is allowed to do its own thing, so long as it stays in character. (IGA has sometimes been too "cute/trite" and LoS stepped off the deep end into something else all together that was more in line with Van Helsing, Priest, or Underworld). I felt that LoI's story was entertaining, if a bit anti-climatic/weird, but put more fitting heart behind the origin of Dracula and Dracula's link to the Belmonts than what LoS tried to do. Characters like Renaldo and Leon were well-developed for what the story was and rather believable. I was invested in LoI's story (Renaldo taking about his daughter's fate and his trapped lot in life, Leon linking his quest to Renaldo's, etc), whereas LoS felt like distant cliff notes more often than not. Also, so much is so vague, with the gap in time between LoI and CV3, that it really doesn't bug me. And I've always thought it would have been cool to follow Leon for another quest trying to hunt down Matthias. But at this point, I don't need a fancy story. I'd just like some stand-alone quality that captures the Belmont vs. Dracula tale in an authentic way both set-up- and gameplay-wise in 3D without clinging to flavor-of-the-day conventions of GoW, SotC, Uncharted, or whatever. Basically, I'm looking for CV64 meets Super Castlevania IV.

[KaZudra]

A theory....
In the Dark Underground Mathias is known as Dracula, who's Fate becomes intertwined with another man named Dracula.
Mathias then at some point Kills Vlad or Buts everything that is him inside the body and mind into Vlad, thus becoming Vlad Tepes Dracula

Consider the portrait that's in the background of Soma's chamber in DoS Julius Mode,




moar proof,

And you guys say LoS is forcing References....

Well considering IGA confirmed that Mathias is indeed Dracula from the Castlevania games that really disproves your theory of him being killled by the real one.

Never Said Killed Directly, it was in full, Killed or Something like that....
Basically, Vlad is in the Picture, but mathias has to go in a way.
Mathis could have Killed Vlad at one point and took his place in history or something like that.
Some event that would Make Mathias into Vlad, that will be the best way...

[crisis]

The theory of "Matthias killing Vlad/Vlad killing Matthias" has been around for quite some time. But that's not what officially happens no matter how anyone spins it.

Matthias used the Crimson Stone to absorb the dead vampire souls the Belmonts kill, while practicing the dark arts in his demonic fortress (linking back to his initial description as a "fanatical demon worshipper/sorceror" in the Japanese Castlevania Adventure manual). At some point during those 300 years he changes his identity to avoid suspicion or renounce his humanity. Humans kill Lisa, he goes batshit crazy & comes out of hiding, which prompts the Belmonts to finally locate him, etc.

It's not that hard to swallow..


Some examples of other "different" origins for Dracula:
- Vlad from the Marvel Universe has a similar origin, but still very different from historical Drac (a daughter named Lilith, being sired by another vampire, etc.)
- Blade: Trinity, Dracula was originally born in ancient Sumer and was the first vampire.
- In the movie Dracula 2000, Dracula is Judas Iscariot himself(!), the guy that betrayed Jesus
- and of course, in Lords of Shadow-verse, Dracula was originally Gabriel Belmont.. from the Cronqvist family.

[KaZudra]

The theory of "Matthias killing Vlad/Vlad killing Matthias" has been around for quite some time. But that's not what officially happens no matter how anyone spins it.

Matthias used the Crimson Stone to absorb the dead vampire souls the Belmonts kill, while practicing the dark arts in his demonic fortress (linking back to his initial description as a "fanatical demon worshipper/sorceror" in the Japanese Castlevania Adventure manual). At some point during those 300 years he changes his identity to avoid suspicion or renounce his humanity. Humans kill Lisa, he goes batshit crazy & comes out of hiding, which prompts the Belmonts to finally locate him, etc.

It's not that hard to swallow..

that's much better than IGA's "lol i dunno he lives peaceful"

He changes his identity to stay in the shadows as he denounced his humanity and Grudge Against God.
When Lisa was murdered He Pacts a Grudge against all humans and Attacks them...
Many Hunters have tried but all failed at a point in time, Thus Enters The Belmont Clan to be the ones who can actually Stop him.

Still, Its needless to establish the Belmont/Dracula thing even if it can click because by the time things are finally set to motion both sides have forgotten the events of LoI entirely.


oh yeah, I have a possible Theory on the whole end of Belmont Era.
Due to being controlled, Richter May have felt that the power of the Belmonts were not necessary until Dracula was at full Power.
With Alucard and the Brave Hunters in those times in charge of Premature Ressurections, the Belmonts Remain Dormant and In the Shadows until they are needed again.
So, Richter and Maria (Possibly Alucard too) Seal the Power of the Vampire killer until the Events of a full powered Dracula.
The Vampire Killer years later unseals to a young Julius who was Trained by a Notable Weapons Expert.

[A-Yty]

How so? It seemed pretty clear to me that Dracula's intent in Bram Stoker's story is to basically invade England and increase his power. And he does, in fact, have an insane hatred for god in much the same vein as Mathias does.

Well, I'm sure he was eager to get out of that castle after being cooped up in there without fresh blood for, what - hundreds of years? And at the time London was the place to be. But I see it being about survival instead of acting out of principle. Stoker Drac would probably take over the world if he was able to. CV Drac is going to destroy the world no matter what.

The "problem" with connecting CV Drac to Stoker Drac isn't IGA or anyone else creating his "own" Dracula history. That happens in lots of stories, movies and games. It's happening in LoS, for example. I think Dracula has become more like a title or a template instead of character whose origins you have to follow strictly if you're gonna call him Dracula/Dracul etc.

About seven years ago, as a young silly foreigner fairly new to the internets, I wrote a silly little article, shortly after finishing LoI for the first time. I obviously added the Brauner mention years later. Everything else was in the first version. When I first wrote it, I guess I didn't think Mathias was a "worthy" Dracula:

http://www.linnavaanijat.com/en/articles/the-only-true-dracula/

[Inccubus]

A theory....
In the Dark Underground Mathias is known as Dracula, who's Fate becomes intertwined with another man named Dracula.
Mathias then at some point Kills Vlad or Buts everything that is him inside the body and mind into Vlad, thus becoming Vlad Tepes Dracula

What if... Mathias is Vlad I, Vlad II, & Vlad III? It is well established that he can have children. So what if the entire group of nobles was 'adopted' by Mathias with him as the family's capo? With the power of the dark lord and his practice of the dark arts it wouldn't be very difficult to pretend to me a normal human or even a lineage of humans. Plus keeping a real human family around him would be a great cover.

[DragonSlayr81]

I think, figuratively, Mathias was Vlad III, "Dracula"(Son of the Dragon), because he was basically the next all-powerful incarnation of vampire after Walter. Walter was Vlad II, "Dracul"(The Dragon), especially considering how Walter's armor was shaped as a dragon, and how his lair(the whole final area) was decorated with dragon statues and bones. As for Vlad I, I would think that's whom ever "turned" Walter(probably an ancient vampire).

[Flame]

I always thought Walter's armor looked more like Bat wings than Dragon wings