Topic: your opinions on lament of innocence

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

As its been said before the Level design was bad.

The lack of platforming did not help either.

But other then that the game was pretty good IMO.

I love the story of Mathias and Leon and how it played out in the end. The combat was also pretty fun and I liked using the orbs for Item crashes. The graphics where also pretty amazing and well detailed. And last but not least the music was just amazing. Some of the best Castlevania music I have heard in a long time. The soundtrack was superb.

So even though it does have its obvious flaws it still was a pretty good game that I really enjoyed.

[shelverton.]

Yeah, the level design killed LoI for me. Much like in CoD, I constantly have to look at the map because I have absolutely no idea where I am or where I'm going. Many rooms look more or less the same. It's a shame cause I truly believe that LoI has the foundation for a really good 3D Vania. The combat wasn't particularly interesting, but varied environments could've saved it. Also, the game seems a lot more polished than CoD, which looks flat out ugly at times. LoI visuals have aged more gracefully IMO. I'd give LoI a 6.5/10.

[crisis]

what happens when you beat the game as Pumpkin 

[Successor The Cruel]

It's a game that succeeds in a lot of areas, but fails so hard in one that the whole thing just falls apart. I can play it now and enjoy the good, but there is absolutely no forgiving the bad. The level design is so redundant (thus, the entire game is redundant) that I quickly lose interest when I turn it on. That said, I have a lot of respect for the game's more positive attributes, like graphics, story, music, and battle system.

[JooohnShaft]

ineresting opinions, i do now see more of l.o.i's flaws the levels were very flat . ps: thx for comments and it's cool that the previouse controversy i had gathered didn't effect anyone.

[X]

ineresting opinions, i do now see more of l.o.i's flaws the levels were very flat . ps: thx for comments and it's cool that the previouse controversy i had gathered didn't effect anyone.

It's okay dude  Jorge lets those know when they've gone & pushed too many buttons around here. Some of those people haven't been back to the Dungeon in a long while too. We're a fairly open-minded group here and though we have our agreements and disagreements, we all get along pretty well.

[A-Yty]

what happens when you beat the game as Pumpkin 

You get a silly picture montage of Pumpkin with the other characters while Admiration Of Clan plays in the background

[Mystic Myotis]

The game is short enough that the level design didn't bother me that much- I've beaten it with 100% map completion in under three hours; that required some clever use of tickets, btw.

LoI had more platforming than CoD, but that isn't saying much.  It's almost like the designers weren't sure how to put platforming into a 3d setting or something, so they didn't really try.

And the whip-jumping was a bit silly, but can't at least one of the 2d Belmonts do something similar?  Julius in HoD?  So yeah.  A better solution would have been to have him swing like in SCIV, but... just saying...

You get a silly picture montage of Pumpkin with the other characters while Admiration Of Clan plays in the background

Joachim's ending was better, though Pumpkin's ending is cute.




About the story... well, Castlevania is not known for it's fantastic stories, but I think that LoI's story gets a lot of unfair hate.

As far as presentation of the story goes, the script and hammy voice acting (though they got good voice actors) did not help AT ALL.  In SotN it was cheesy-charming but in LoI it was cringe-worthy.  That said, I'd hope most people were able to look past that. XD

As far as plot itself goes, let's face it; we'd have been surprised if the game DIDN'T involve rescuing a DiD or brainwashing or betrayal.

Ignoring the historical inaccuracies as far as dates and the designs and names (even alchemy itself) in the game (because Castlevania is hardly historically accurate in that respect beyond making references to the real Vlad's death and such) I liked the background story given.

There should have been more information available about who Joachim was; I kind of resent the Japanese only phone manga for that. >_> It also would have been nice to know a little more about Walter and perhaps how exactly it was that Rinaldo knew Mathias' family.  But that's not a big issue.

I liked how the whip was created; it gave the weapon a new, almost menacing side.  The poltergeist king was only in the English version of CV3, right? Am I the only one who thinks it is kind of weird that a poltergeist king would give a family a weapon to destroy vampires with apparently no strings attached?


Now as to the controversy involving Mathias being Dracula and how he became Dracula, I thought it fit well with the 'character' of Dracula that was already established in the series.  Mathias' intelligent but rash and spiteful nature was perfectly in line with everything else we'd seen in Dracula. I also don't see how it is a problem that the Dracula in Castlevania is presumably Vlad III; all it means is that at some point the guy assumed that identity.

I find this idea of Mathias using the Crimson Stone and Walter's soul to become a super-nasty vampire who then wanders off and becomes even more powerful as time goes by to be preferable to him being bitten.  That just... it's just not as cool, you know?  Another issue is that if vampires gain strength over time, then Dracula should not have been as powerful as he was if he was only Vlad III.  LoI's explanation is logical; Vlad III/Dracula was already very old and was from the start superior in nature to the average vampire by the time Trevor and Co. faced him.

I was glad that they actually made his motivations better than just "I'm a vampire just because" and "I'm killing humans because I'm evil." It is instead "I'm a vampire opposing God because he's a douchebag" and "I'm killing humans because they are douchebags."





And finally... I am sick to death of people complaining about Legends being stripped from the canon story.  The only thing Legends actually 'explained' was where Trevor Belmont came from, and that was like something out of a bad fan fiction.
I don't hear anybody whining about Circle of the Moon being stripped from the canon. You're all just haters. XD

[Flame]

People only complain because it was a Guuuurl that got stripped from canon. And so naturally, that means IGA is Sexist. Not that the game as an origin added completely nothing in the way of actual origins for anyone.

That said, If they retooled it and removed Alucard, (he wasnt born yet) I could see Sonia being Leon's daughter. I mean they are both blond hair blue eyes, (a surprising rarity in Castlevania) Monsters kill Leon while he is an older man, since Sonia is already all grown up, and she must take up the whip to fight monsters, and it doesnt even have to be Dracula at the end. Just some other vampire or monster king. While at the same time, getting "a step" closer" to Dracula. After all, theres quite a gap between LoI and CV3. Which in presumaby, (HOPEFULLY) the Belmonts spent it tracking down Dracula and eventually relocating to Wallachia where they were exiled due to their supernatural powers.

[JooohnShaft]

@X: thanks
@everyone on this page, i agree the level design is very flawed, damn! I HATE THE GARDEN!

[KaZudra]

People only complain because it was a Guuuurl that got stripped from canon. And so naturally, that means IGA is Sexist. Not that the game as an origin added completely nothing in the way of actual origins for anyone.

That said, If they retooled it and removed Alucard, (he wasnt born yet) I could see Sonia being Leon's daughter. I mean they are both blond hair blue eyes, (a surprising rarity in Castlevania) Monsters kill Leon while he is an older man, since Sonia is already all grown up, and she must take up the whip to fight monsters, and it doesnt even have to be Dracula at the end. Just some other vampire or monster king. While at the same time, getting "a step" closer" to Dracula. After all, theres quite a gap between LoI and CV3. Which in presumaby, (HOPEFULLY) the Belmonts spent it tracking down Dracula and eventually relocating to Wallachia where they were exiled due to their supernatural powers.

I can see Sonia in a reboot of Legends which is same characters, completely different time and story....

and i'll state this again, IF the plot ends up being Where the Belmonts Track Dracula from LOI to Cv3, Castlevania will definately be down the shitter with that being the dumbest thing ever top put in a plot.

[A-Yty]

What would be so stupid about it? He's probably the most powerful vampire there is and Leon specifically said he or one of his kids will get him eventually.

[Successor The Cruel]

And the whip-jumping was a bit silly, but can't at least one of the 2d Belmonts do something similar?  Julius in HoD?

What?

The only time I've seen Julius in HoD was in some fan hack.

I also don't understand what is dumb about the Belmonts tracking Mathias down. It's exactly what Leon said they would do. And, um, if I was Leon I'd do the same thing. It only makes sense to track down the guy that had your fiance killed for no good reason and, uh... kill him, too : p

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

I also don't understand what is dumb about the Belmonts tracking Mathias down. It's exactly what Leon said they would do. And, um, if I was Leon I'd do the same thing. It only makes sense to track down the guy that had your fiance killed for no good reason and, uh... kill him, too : p

The only thing that would be wrong with the Belmont tracking Dracula down during the gap between LOI and Legends would be if the belmont in question found Dracula and beat him.

We have already established the legend that Trevor was the first to beat Dracula.

And it would be weird if we had a game where the Belmonts track down Dracula only to not get a chance to beat him or end up getting beat themselves.

[KaZudra]

I also don't understand what is dumb about the Belmonts tracking Mathias down. It's exactly what Leon said they would do. And, um, if I was Leon I'd do the same thing. It only makes sense to track down the guy that had your fiance killed for no good reason and, uh... kill him, too : p

I'll just put it this way...
1094- Events of LoI
END OF LOI -Castle Collapses, Leon Escapes, Dracula was confirmed to Travel parts of the world in epilogue.
1476- Events of Cv3

Please, elaborately explain how a family would track a man with Dark powers, Various Identity Changes and Predominantly underground for 427 years...
Mind you that the ONLY source of info can come from letters, which take weeks to months to arrive given the time, and most of the letters could be red herrings.

Plus there is a Huge probability that later generations would just lose interest in dracula since he isn't doing anything in that time.

There is no way possible this could be explained in such a way people could "buy" that Bullshit.


Belmonts becoming Vampire hunters generations after (which also clicks with Cv3's Prologue) is a better explination and also doesn't sound as Over the top stupid.