Topic: Demon Castle War -What about the Morris Clan?

[Flame]

We were simply discussing the matter. No harm in it. What's your rush?

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

i thought the reason it killed Morris Sr. was because he HADNT unlocked its full power? As in, he did it wrong, or accessed it's full power without defeating the whip's memory? without "proving" himself to the whip?

No.

It killed him because he continued to use it alot AFTER he defeated Dracula.

He did unlock the true power of the VK but the drawback is that a Morris will die the longer they use the weapon.

This is all confirmed in POR.

[crisis]

Actually to be more precise, I think it was said that even after John defeated Dracula, his wounds wouldn't heal since the VK was sucking his vitality throughout the course of the game (Jonathan also hints that "grandfather succumbed to the whip, too"). Don't think there was any indication that he continued to fight monsters after the conclusion of Bloodlines, since he must have been pretty exhausted.

Jonathan also held resentment towards his father since he wouldn't teach him how to unlock VK's true power (b/c he already knew what would happen, John seen his father Quincy die b/c of the whip, he knew he would one day suffer the same fate, so he wanted to spare his son the same fate)

[Reinhart77]

I wonder how literal the prophesy was.  It said that Dracula would rise in 1999 and that the Belmonts should not touch the whip until then.  Does that mean that Julius wouldn't have possession of it until 1999?  If that's the case, maybe it wouldn't be good to have him getting the whip as part of the backstory, but it should start with it instead.

ok, i'm gonna get fan ficcy again.  what if the Belmonts simply lost their memory of who they were?  maybe someone cast a spell on them voluntarily so that they wouldn't get involved.  then, maybe one person (again, I'm thinking Alucard), kind of kept an eye on them from generation to generation, and when 1999 came, "pop" gave a totally clueless and unprepared Julius the whip and just said "I know you can do it, its in your blood, boy".  sounds a little cliche, but might fit.  and it'd be full of more Belmont memory loss issues.

oh, and it kinda fits with the Wygol village.  you have all these Belmont descendants who forgot where they came from, and yet, even still, manage to come together as if drawn by fate.

[darkwzrd4]

Well, it would help to know precisely why the Belmont family gave up the whip for so long.  We were never told specifically.  All that was said is that they can't touch the whip until 1999.  Nothing more.  All we know is that some time after SotN, the Belmont family disappeared and that other heroes showed up to protect humanity.  Then the Morris family shows up with the VK until 1999 when Julius Belmont appears wielding the VK and, with help, destroys Dracula once and for all.

It was thought that the Alucard game we saw a trailer to would explain that, but that game doesn't seem to be in the works anymore.  It's the biggest mystery in the series.

[Flame]

I would Imagine the Belmonts continuing to hunt down the supernatural, but without Vampire Killer. Therefore, once they had honed their skills to the point where they didnt even need it, they would be all the more powerful once they DID get it back.

I also still think Richter's going nuts was another part of the reason. Mental and spiritual strengthening.

[KaZudra]

h-how do you figure the Morris', any Morris is better than any of the classic Belmonts

Well, it's actually very simple, John Morris Achieved a form of the whip that surpassed that of the Chain form, Pure Holy Light.
no other Castlevania Character could achieve that, and especially a Belmont.
Also, his ability to simply swing on any cieling and 6-way Arial Whip swing.

Jonathan Knew his role was vital in the war, his role simply was to teach Julius all he can because at that point Jonathan was a weapons master.

the only question that needs to be answered is when Does Akuma teach Julius that groovy technique now known as Omnima Vanitas

[Reinhart77]

they need to turn this into a shonen anime and spend the first season training Julius.  j/k.

[X]

I chose option 3. Julius should have a teacher to learn from and a Morris would fit the bill since he/she is giving the whip to the latest Belmont. It would allow for the conclusion of the Morris family and reignite the tale of the Belmont family. But it should be a game intro thing rather then happening throughout the game itself. I also chose option 3 due to the fact that Jonathon is a seventy year old man and wouldn't be able to coach a young Julius in combat. A son or daughter of Jonathon Morris would be the perfect candidate as an instructor as they would both be physically fit to spar with one another.

[Munchy]

I can't imagine a huge role for the Morris clan in this game outside of its patriarch approaching Julius and saying, "Please take this whip, it keeps killing our family."

[X]

I can't imagine a huge role for the Morris clan in this game outside of its patriarch approaching Julius and saying, "Please take this whip, it keeps killing our family."

LOL!! This would make a really fun comic strip! Something like you'd see in Far Side.

[Reinhart77]

I also chose option 3 due to the fact that Jonathon is a seventy year old man and wouldn't be able to coach a young Julius in combat.

If a seventy year old Asian man with a long white beard can teach young martial artists and swordsmen how to fight in the movies, why couldn't a seventy year old Morris teach a Belmont how to fight?  I will admit, the idea of seeing a 70 year old Jonathan in this role isn't that appealing. 

Maybe all the Belmonts in the Whip's Memory could teach Julius the basics of fighting?  Maybe those little skill cubes found throughout the game could actually be items that jog the Whip's Memory how to use a technique used by a past Belmont and then gets passed to Julius.  The first one encountered could have a cut scene showing a Belmont teaching Julius the technique, but the rest of them would just have the name of Belmont that the skill is learned from appear briefly.

[X]

If a seventy year old Asian man with a long white beard can teach young martial artists and swordsmen how to fight in the movies, why couldn't a seventy year old Morris teach a Belmont how to fight?  I will admit, the idea of seeing a 70 year old Jonathan in this role isn't that appealing. 

Doh! I'd forgotten about that    My bad.

[cecil-kain]

Thank-you to all that participated in this poll.  It seems most of you want to see a Morris involved, but the specifics are not entirely certain.  40% of you want to see a mentor --with one half favoring the elderly Jonathan --and the other half leaning toward a younger Morris character.  Personally, I have a hard time believing the actual game would bring the 73 year old Jonathan into a War zone, but that's just my opinion --I'll share these results with the my colleagues and we'll see how the trailer concept develops...

[X]

I'd also personally put in modern war clips rather then use ones from WWII. That was something that kinda bugged me about the first trailer.