Topic: Demon Castle War -What about the Morris Clan?

[cecil-kain]

A couple days ago, I made an announcement in the Fan Stuff section.  Operation: Akumajo is considering a Teaser Trailer for the Demon Castle War --you can view that discussion here -- http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4232.0.html

During the course of the discussion, questions were raised about how the Morrises should fit into the Demon Castle War.  There's no canon answer, so we're drifting into fan fiction one way or the other --but there are a couple of pertinent facts.

--Canon--
-The Belmonts are not allowed to touch the Vampire Killer until 1999
-Julius is 19 years old and uses the Vampire Killer to battle Dracula.
-Jonathan is 73 years old (if he's still alive)
-Alucard spent years searching for a way to end Dracula's resurrection rite...
-Alucard is also present for the Demon Castle War --has a relationship with the Hakubas
-The Hakuba Priest (Mina's Father) conducts a ritual to seal the Castle within the Eclipse
-St Germain will be present (its unknown if he can interfere or merely observe)
-Some Military Action takes place involving soldiers, lieutenants, and modern weapons
-Julius loses his memory and the Vampire Killer is left in the Castle when the battle is over.

--Real World Reference--
-Nostrodamus' Quatrain 72 gives July 1999 as when "The Great King of Terror" arrives
-The Solar Eclipse occured in Europe on August 11, 1999.

Amongst the many mysteries that we've already beaten to death over the years...  We need to consider what the Belmonts were up to the last couple centuries.  Was their tradition maintained with any training whatsoever?  How would they train throughout the generations without their signature weapon?  Jonathan made an interesting point in PoR --about how the Belmonts are *legendary*  Does anyone believe in them anymore?  Or are they just an old fairy tale like Camelot or Robin Hood?  Is Julius groomed all his life to battle Dracula, or is it thrown on his lap?  How do the Belmonts finally break their silence and surface --and at what time?  How do the Morrises fit into all of this?  What do you think?

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

Keep the Morris clan out of this.

Let Julius start out as the powerful badass vampire hunter with the VK in hand.

[Nagumo]

I don't think they should use a Morris character. They should prevent trying to cram to much stuff into this story. But a brief mention and some expository dialogue are always neat, of course. 

[darkwzrd4]

I don't think they should use a Morris character. They should prevent trying to cram to much stuff into this story. But a brief mention and some expository dialogue are always neat, of course.

Agreed.  If the game is ever made, Julius should start with the whip.  However, the opening scene should be something that explains why the Belmonts couldn't use the whip and what they were doing all that time.

[crisis]

There are various grammar errors in your post cecil-kain tsk tsk, we are professionals here

T'would be cool if they had Jules start with the leather whip, then attain upgrades for the Morningstar version, even the "Bullet Tip" (Christopher's Soul in the jap version) should be included right thernz?

I'm pretty sure Jonathan won't be in it, he'll be too old and actually I'm quite offended you would compare him to a legendary icon such as Ben Kenobi >:/

Morris rivalry would harken back to Hugh Baldwin's attitude, which may or may not be a good or bad thing to some people.

In OoE there are some references to House Belmont, I suggest cecil-kain boot up his DS and read the encyclopedia b/c there might be some tidbits you haven't considered. I recall a grandmother Belmont ancestor talking about her experiences as a vampire hunter.

[knightmere]

No Morris's needed just provide some back story about how Julius got the Vampire Killer back.

[cecil-kain]

There are various grammar errors in your post cecil-kain tsk tsk, we are professionals here

T'would be cool if they had Jules start with the leather whip, then attain upgrades for the Morningstar version, even the "Bullet Tip" (Christopher's Soul in the jap version) should be included right thernz?

I'm pretty sure Jonathan won't be in it, he'll be too old and actually I'm quite offended you would compare him to a legendary icon such as Ben Kenobi >:/

Morris rivalry would harken back to Hugh Baldwin's attitude, which may or may not be a good or bad thing to some people.

In OoE there are some references to House Belmont, I suggest cecil-kain boot up his DS and read the encyclopedia b/c there might be some tidbits you haven't considered. I recall a grandmother Belmont ancestor talking about her experiences as a vampire hunter.

Dammit!  I usually fix the worst of my grammar before anyone notices.  Oh well...

And yes.  You're absolutely right.  The old woman in Wygol tells a story about her vampire-hunting grandfather...  She was reminiscing about training by a small chapel as I recall, and I had forgotten about it...    Still that was only a couple generations after Richter...

Hmmm --these results are surprising...

[Reinhart77]

yeah, the Morris Clan should be explained in the backstory, but don't need a prominent role.  i'd like to imagine that there was a "quiet before the storm" in the decades just prior to 1999, so the Morris family weren't needed and were reluctant to use the whip and have their lifespan limited.  but at the same time, everyone was gearing up for the the known date of Dracula's arrival.  maybe Alucard had the whip just prior to handing it off to the Belmonts?  he should probably fuse it with the Alucard Spear in order to power it up for the Belmonts.

[crisis]

Arikado can't touch the Holy Whip

[KaZudra]

The Morris Family Surpassed the ancient Belmonts in every way.
on top of that Julius has a high chance of not knowing anything from the Belmont Clan since they couldn't fight for so long.

Its logical since Morris' role is Extreme in the Castle War.
Most likely Morris will be an Obi wan to Julius since Johnathan is hell more experienced, must like the Juste to Ritcher deal.

[Reinhart77]

Arikado can't touch the Holy Whip

does it really say that somewhere?  Alucard uses things like Holy Water and grand crosses in Symphony of the Night.  i doubt he could or should actually use it, but i don't see any reason he couldn't hold onto it for a little while.  in my fanficcy universe (that' i'm making up right now), Richter gave Alucard the whip on his deathbed, and then Alucard went off in search for someone who'd actually be able to put it to some use.

[crisis]

h-how do you figure the Morris', any Morris is better than any of the classic Belmonts

also, it's very likely Jonathan died just a few years after PoR, since he unlocked VK's full power and it drains the health of a non-Belmont.


@Reinhart,
Well, just for the fact that the whip is the "bane of the children of the night," Genya being Vlad's son and Dracula being the king of the children of the night. And it knocks Alucard on his ass every time Richiter hits him in Symphony.

[Nagumo]

Alucard uses things like Holy Water and grand crosses in Symphony of the Night.   

This is actually a very good point.

[Flame]

Well we know the whip, containign Sarah's soul, IS sentient to a certain extent. Leon feels rage from the whip, It has a "memory" of the Belmonts who have used it, and upon the defeat of the Chaos within Castle Dracula, the Chaos that game Dracula his powers, Julius feels as if the whip got weaker or something, as if Sarah is relieved that the one responsible for her situation is finally defeated for good.

all because It hurts Alucard with hly power doesnt exactly mean he cant touch it. He isnt going to be freaking USING it, that WOULD be impossible. But he can probably hold onto it. Im certain the Whip would recognize him as the one who has been the Belmont's greatest aid since the battle against Dracula started with Trevor.

And yeah, he CAN use Holy water, Crosses and other manner of holy things, and lets keep in mind he is a Dhampir. All the powers of a vampire, but with none of their weaknesses. He also isn't evil.

also, it's very likely Jonathan died just a few years after PoR, since he unlocked VK's full power and it drains the health of a non-Belmont.

i thought the reason it killed Morris Sr. was because he HADNT unlocked its full power? As in, he did it wrong, or accessed it's full power without defeating the whip's memory? without "proving" himself to the whip?

[crisis]

Well why are there chapels in a demon castle? It doesn't make sense.
A vampire or half vampire holding onto Vampire Killer doesn't make any sense.
Alucardo wouldn't want or need to hold onto it anyway.
Alucardo created the Alucard Spear to compliment the power of the VK, that doesn't mean he was in possession of it at any time.

Besides, we know Richiter passes it off to a Morris family member anyway so to argue otherwise is a moot point NEXT QUESTION PLZ